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5 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

The frustration of not getting our targets and Pack leaving getting to LJ . I know we lost but seemed more pissed off than I can remember. Or is it just me

Seeing as neither topic was mentioned, I'm not sure how you get to that....

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Exactly what it should be an honest assessment of the match. Cant stand it when it's about learning patterns of play ect. Fans will not have a problem with him being disappointed and facing up to what needs to be done.

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Much rather an honest appraisal than anything resembling 'concentrate on the league'.

He obviously has high standards for the club and is frustrated if players he gives chances to don't back up his faith. Nothing wrong with that at all.

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I only listened to the commentary on RB, but Gary Owers was more forgiving of the younger players coming in which I liked.  I hope LJ is more encouraging to them away from the cameras.

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12 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

The frustration of not getting our targets and Pack leaving getting to LJ . I know we lost but seemed more pissed off than I can remember. Or is it just me

I don't read it like that.  Sounds like a manager p****d off that we’re out of a cup because of a rubbish referee decision.  That’s what seems to have made him most angry.

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13 minutes ago, RedSkin said:

I only listened to the commentary on RB, but Gary Owers was more forgiving of the younger players coming in which I liked.  I hope LJ is more encouraging to them away from the cameras.

I’m sure he is but if these lads want regular first team football at Championship level then they’ve got to learn quickly. The obvious thing being it’s ok being great when you have the ball but you’ve got a job to do when they have it!!

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He wouldn't sell Pack if he didn't want to. He replaced him with Nagy who he probably prefers so don't see why that would be a problem. He's just annoyed at the ref and parts of how we played.

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53 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

The frustration of not getting our targets and Pack leaving getting to LJ . I know we lost but seemed more pissed off than I can remember. Or is it just me

Frustration of losing a game that we were winning...

Why would he be frustrated about pack leaving when we have signed a far better player in nagy?1

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3 minutes ago, Riaz said:

Frustration of losing a game that we were winning...

Why would he be frustrated about pack leaving when we have signed a far better player in nagy?1

Must have crossed wires on the Pack transfer. I thought I read he didn’t want to sell Pack 

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21 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Must have crossed wires on the Pack transfer. I thought I read he didn’t want to sell Pack 

I havent read that. Maybe your right?

Personally i think nagy is a massive upgrade. Although he isnt a playmaker.

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The way I took it was that LJ was annoyed at our naievity when not in possession of the ball ie. Players not back tracking, marking, doing all the basics to prevent the opposition. Attack wise he enjoyed us, but not when we didn't have the ball.

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32 minutes ago, Riaz said:

Frustration of losing a game that we were winning...

Why would he be frustrated about pack leaving when we have signed a far better player in nagy?1

Annoyed that certain players didn’t carry out his instructions....without the ball. 

He has been moody over pre-season recruitment. To that I suggest he gets over it quickly and influences on the training ground. 

We have a very good set of players. 

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3 minutes ago, Riaz said:

I havent read that. Maybe your right?

Personally i think nagy is a massive upgrade. Although he isnt a playmaker.

Looking forward to seeing him play. From highlights I’ve seen looks a player. Regarding LJ reading the comments in the thread make sense. Hope we have a more upbeat video Saturday evening. 

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13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Annoyed that certain players didn’t carry out his instructions....without the ball. 

He has been moody over pre-season recruitment. To that I suggest he gets over it quickly and influences on the training ground. 

We have a very good set of players. 

You're right Dave. And remember what happened to his predecessor. Cotterill's displeasure with the Board's transfer strategy quickly consumed his managership and nearly relegated the club.

I'm sure LJ has more sense and the ability to move us forward, despite being hampered by the loss of Webster.

 

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47 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Annoyed that certain players didn’t carry out his instructions....without the ball. 

He has been moody over pre-season recruitment. To that I suggest he gets over it quickly and influences on the training ground. 

We have a very good set of players. 

perhaps he's been reading the Evening Post…:fear:

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LJ went storming over to the ref in the centre circle at full time having a massive go at him, and then again after we'd lost the penalty shoot out (which I thought was probably a bit over-the-top given the quality of a couple of our penalties). McAllister was also shouting his view at the match officials as they left the pitch. It felt OTT for the Carabao cup.

Interestingly I also noticed after his second haranguing of the ref, LJ immediately made a beeline for Nagy. I am very curious if he felt he should've put himself forward for a penalty before Wright, given Wright is in that seasonal mode where confidence is shot to pieces, shoulders are slumped, passes are loose. No one thought he'd score, least of all him.

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Football isn't Top Trumps, and even though we've improved in many areas, this team is going to need some serious time to gel - at least ten games, maybe even half a season. Most importantly, they need wins behind them, otherwise several years of building goes down the shitter and we destroy whatever confidence we had built over time.

There's a lot of potential, but that's all it is right now. If this level of rebuild was needed I hope that the pressure is off of LJ and that he isn't held to the idea that we need to achieve better than 6th this season.

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2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

The frustration of not getting our targets and Pack leaving getting to LJ . I know we lost but seemed more pissed off than I can remember. Or is it just me

His whole body language and demeanor are different to previous interviews (even when we have lost)

I'm not sure the reasons you mentioned are relevant but he is clearly very wound up about something

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27 minutes ago, Olé said:

Interestingly I also noticed after his second haranguing of the ref, LJ immediately made a beeline for Nagy. I am very curious if he felt he should've put himself forward for a penalty before Wright

That's a different take from mine.

This is a more general observation on human behaviour, but I feel some individuals put themselves forward for things regardless of their aptitude for doing them.  I've seen this in a work situation loads.  Whether this is through a sense of duty (which I suspect it was with Bailey Wright) or blind self-belief despite the evidence to the contrary, or arrogance fuelled by their ego it does happen.

Others despite their ability either the lack the confidence or belief to step forward.  They need encouragement to do so.

Bailey had a stinker by all accounts and he was poor at Birmingham.  But for me there's no doubting his leadership and commitment to the cause.  I do feel his motivation for stepping forward was good, but I think he should have been overruled.  I guess that would be difficult if no one else felt confident.

Very difficult to criticise Nagy for not stepping forward as he is so new to the club.  Maybe if he'd signed sooner and been to the US with the squad and built some relationships amongst the players, he'd have felt more inclined to.  I dare say he would have not have seen Bailey or any of the other lads take a penalty so difficult to gauge whether you'd be a better bet or not.

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3 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

The frustration of not getting our targets and Pack leaving getting to LJ . I know we lost but seemed more pissed off than I can remember. Or is it just me

Unrest in the club as well...Tinnion.

He's bound to be pissed off.

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2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Must have crossed wires on the Pack transfer. I thought I read he didn’t want to sell Pack 

If so I would hope the matter was taken out of his hands.

He can't keep on asking the club to sign new m/f's and expect to keep the ones they've been brought in to replace.

I very much doubt he wanted to keep Pack anyway, his performances had been mostly under par for a long time.

 

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3 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

The frustration of not getting our targets and Pack leaving getting to LJ . I know we lost but seemed more pissed off than I can remember. Or is it just me

Not sure how you have come to the conclusion about him being pissed off about Pack and our transfer targets?

Probally more frustrated at the fact that no matter what line up we play, or what formation we go for....not a massive amount changes 

The same issues . The same vulnerabilities . Under LJ our game management has always been poor, and I don't believe it will change any time soon

 

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2 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Not sure how you have come to the conclusion about him being pissed off about Pack and our transfer targets?

Probally more frustrated at the fact that no matter what line up we play, or what formation we go for....not a massive amount changes 

The same issues . The same vulnerabilities . Under LJ our game management has always been poor, and I don't believe it will change any time soon

 

Just felt the interview was different. Not like me to go on a tangent. 👍🏻

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47 minutes ago, EnderMB said:

Football isn't Top Trumps, and even though we've improved in many areas, this team is going to need some serious time to gel - at least ten games, maybe even half a season. Most importantly, they need wins behind them, otherwise several years of building goes down the shitter and we destroy whatever confidence we had built over time.

There's a lot of potential, but that's all it is right now. If this level of rebuild was needed I hope that the pressure is off of LJ and that he isn't held to the idea that we need to achieve better than 6th this season.

I'm quite happy with the personnel in the middle and up front and options we now have. What concerns me the most is the void left by Webster leaving. If we still had him I would be confident of being in the top 6. What we have now is an inexperienced at this level CB in Moore, a CB who is injury prone and picks up a lot of cards and a CB who has hardly played in the last 12 months and cant defend or pass but us the club captain.

LJ needs to find someone pretty quickly from the free agents available to plug that void otherwise we will be nowhere near the top 6. We have conceded 7 goals in 3 matches now and it appears we will be entertained this season regards attacking play but the leaky defence is back again

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

His whole body language and demeanor are different to previous interviews (even when we have lost)

I'm not sure the reasons you mentioned are relevant but he is clearly very wound up about something

Complete guess on my part - Having to sell Webster then not replacing him with another ball-playing centre back and also being gazumped at the 11th hour by Leeds. 

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1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

He was clearly very frustrated at the officials which was understandable considering it never should have got as far as penalties. 

Lesson 5, A Course In Miracles: I Am Never Upset For The Reason I Think.

Very useful Yankee spiritual life advice for LJ, City fans and OTIB Otibers bothered by Bailey Wright, Fam fluffing chances, City flunking penalty shootouts, kiddies not turning up for medicals, centre halves not being replaced, parking problems around BS3,  season ticket issues, posters posting stuff that's just plain bollocks, etc.

Other Lessons include:

1. Nothing I See Means Anything.

2. I Have Given Everything I See - even Bailey Wright trying to pass a football - All The Meaning That It Has For Me.

3. I Do Not Understand Anything I See.

4. My Thoughts - about Bailey Wright - Do Not Mean Anything.

6. I Am Upset Because I See Something That Is Not There (ie Bailey Wright: why are you not in the penalty area cutting out that cross about to be swept past our keeper?)

7. I See Only The Past.

8. My Mind Is Preoccupied With Past Thoughts. And previous visits to Loftus Road, not including last season. And Bailey Wright, defending ineptly. At somewhere like Preston. Or Birmingham. Or a dozen other Championship venues.

9. I See Nothing As It Is Now. Which is why @Harry wisely re-watches matches, and stills crucial points in games, frame by frame, so he can see things as they were now/last night, not as my mind tells me they were/are. 

 

And so it, and we, go on. Meaningless thoughts, showing us a meaningless world, and thus, a meaningless life we lead. And so we are upset. But not for the reason we think.

And so, Bailey Wright must have it: both barrells, this Saturday, and every Saturday/Tuesday /Saturday, it's all his fault, the useless, meaningless Aussie ****!

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I like the conspiracy theories deduced from LJs postmatch interview. 

It's like your missus getting home from work  to learn you've pranged the car, forgotten to get the shopping and didn't put the oven on. The missus is upset from which you deduce that she's having an affair with her boss, will leave you andtake the kids and has lost all the family savings gambling on line!

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1 hour ago, INCRED said:

I'm quite happy with the personnel in the middle and up front and options we now have. What concerns me the most is the void left by Webster leaving. If we still had him I would be confident of being in the top 6. What we have now is an inexperienced at this level CB in Moore, a CB who is injury prone and picks up a lot of cards and a CB who has hardly played in the last 12 months and cant defend or pass but us the club captain.

LJ needs to find someone pretty quickly from the free agents available to plug that void otherwise we will be nowhere near the top 6. We have conceded 7 goals in 3 matches now and it appears we will be entertained this season regards attacking play but the leaky defence is back again

15 in 5

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3 hours ago, Olé said:

Interestingly I also noticed after his second haranguing of the ref, LJ immediately made a beeline for Nagy. I am very curious if he felt he should've put himself forward for a penalty before Wright, given Wright is in that seasonal mode where confidence is shot to pieces, shoulders are slumped, passes are loose. No one thought he'd score, least of all him.

Interesting.

Judging by our Hungarian friend's assessment of Nagy, as well as the interviews given, it seems he'll will be seen as a player of influence in the dressing room. I'm hoping he's the kind of player who'll feed off direct assessment and discussion with the coaches, and help transmit this on the pitch to others

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6 hours ago, JonDolman said:

He wouldn't sell Pack if he didn't want to. He replaced him with Nagy who he probably prefers so don't see why that would be a problem. He's just annoyed at the ref and parts of how we played.

He made it clear in an earlier interview that the midfield recruitment was so Marlon (and Josh perhaps) didn't have to play every game. Then the bid from Cardiff was too good to turn down, especially for Marlon.

He is undoubtedly disappointed and spoke about his relationship with Marlon and his family with obvious feeling.

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19 hours ago, JonDolman said:

He wouldn't sell Pack if he didn't want to. He replaced him with Nagy who he probably prefers so don't see why that would be a problem. He's just annoyed at the ref and parts of how we played.

I don’t think he has that kind of control over transfers out of the club.

No manager wants to sell a player he thinks will benefit his team by being part of his squad, both the Pack and Webster transfers would have been against LJ’s wishes.

At this moment in time the team is far weaker than last season, part due to injury, part due to the time needed to integrate new players, but mainly due to the transfer of those two players.

We will miss Webster until a genuine like for like replacement is found and joins either now as a unattached player or in January. Moore is not the answer week in week out this season.

Nagy may be a decent replacement for Pack, but as a squad player Pack would have been well worth keeping.

I agree with you that his interview was very much about how we lost, and underlying that in my opinion was LJ knowing  that he was forced to agree to transfers he didn’t want to happen.

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40 minutes ago, Countryfile said:

I don’t think he has that kind of control over transfers out of the club.

No manager wants to sell a player he thinks will benefit his team by being part of his squad, both the Pack and Webster transfers would have been against LJ’s wishes.

At this moment in time the team is far weaker than last season, part due to injury, part due to the time needed to integrate new players, but mainly due to the transfer of those two players.

We will miss Webster until a genuine like for like replacement is found and joins either now as a unattached player or in January. Moore is not the answer week in week out this season.

Nagy may be a decent replacement for Pack, but as a squad player Pack would have been well worth keeping.

I agree with you that his interview was very much about how we lost, and underlying that in my opinion was LJ knowing  that he was forced to agree to transfers he didn’t want to happen.

It is just as well that he is not alone in deciding transfers . 

The club need to regulate their accounts and the way LJ signs new players we’d have a squad of a hundred and more .  

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