old_eastender Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, spudski said: It's a joy to watch Dave. Just goes to show what value is out there on foreign shores. If we could get someone in Weimanns place with the same technical skill and work rate.... Semenyo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Semenyo... Maybe...only seen glimpses of that... hopefully he develops further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 17/08/2019 at 17:38, Bar BS3 said: Nagy looked excellent today. Kante ‘esque. A quality addition to the side. He minds me very much of Ander Herrera. Running style and technique wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 hours ago, spudski said: Me too...think we have the makings of a decent football team. I don't think it's going to be this season now...but fingers crossed we see the potential come good sooner rather than later. Just a shame DaSilva is injured. It crossed my mind yesterday whilst watching the game of a potential 433 if everyone played to their potential imo. ----------------------Bentley----------------------- Pedro_____Kalas____Baker_______Rowe _______________Nagy________________ _______Messengo_____DaSiva________ __________Brownhill_Palmer__________ ________________Afobe______________ Or drop Palmer when wanting to play with a higher two and play Semenyo next to Afobe. The potential of movement and passing between Messengo, Nagy and DaSilva could be very exciting. Ummm... Dasilva in centre midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Planet Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 hours ago, spudski said: It's a joy to watch Dave. Just goes to show what value is out there on foreign shores. If we could get someone in Weimanns place with the same technical skill and work rate.... I was spellbound by Nadge during the 1st half. As has been said on here - such amazing skills, speed and most importantly, total awareness of not just what was happening right now, but what would happen next and moving into position to deal with it (especially attacking moves from the opposition). A proper defensive midfielder with a brain. Great signing. And seeing his goal again on the highlights reminded me that was a tricky ball headed to him by Afobe. It was actually lifting slight;y when he struck it, so it was a half-volley, but he placed it just inside the far post with great skill. It's early days yet, but it looks like we have got this player for a real steal @ £2.5M I believe ? Just hope that ankle injury is not serious, because I can't wait to see him play again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 17/08/2019 at 16:01, bristolcitysweden said: Ten times better than Brownhill Agree Naggy an messengo two best players in midfieldbuild your team around them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 As I mentioned in my post earlier, I observed that with Nagy (and Massengo for that matter if he’s playing the ‘deeper’ role), are much more mobile than Pack ever was and as a result they will have the energy and pace to defend wider than Pack did. This means that whoever is the other midfield partner (Brownhill in yesterday’s game), needs to be more aware of having to cover centrally, outside the D. Pack never roamed away from here, but now Nagy (and Massengo) will, then Brownhill needs to work harder to cover when they go to defend ‘out of the cage’. I’ve screenshot a couple of examples : Screenie 1) The 3 CB’s (circled blue) are wide apart, with Baker having pushed higher to close an attacker. Nagy (circled black) is the 2nd deepest man bar Kalas, and is jockeying the player with the ball. There is a huge space in the central midfield. This is where Brownhill needs to be more aware. All he needs to be is 5 yards deeper and he impacts the play. Screenie 2) Nagy has done well to delay the attacker and allow his CB’s to attain a tighter unit. You can now see that extra 5 yards that Brownhill could’ve had. This would’ve completely closed down the space for the ball carrier to turn and play the pass which led to a shot at goal. Screenie 3) This happened quite regularly. No midfield pressure on the ball carrier, allowing a very easy pass in between the lines. Massengo & Brownhill, neither providing a shield in front of the back 3, allowing the striker to easily move across the line between Kalas & Baker to create the easy option for the forward pass. The attacker moving along the line had therefore attracted Baker, leaving a big hole between Baker & Rowe for the 3rd man runner to drive into. He receives the pass round the corner and is in on goal. Essentially on this one, the DM shield is not there, and there is no CM attempting to pressure the ball carrier, thus giving the attackers plenty of time to plan their moves. Screenie 4) Samuel, the clear danger man, has made his move inside Rowe. Massengo has had to go with the decoy runner. This has left a huge gap infront of the CB’s. That ‘cage’ we’re talking about. Brownhill needs to have been aware earlier in the move that as soon as Massengo is dragged wide, he needs to fill the void. Again, he just needs 5 yards. Get back into the cage and shield the CB’s. Screenie 5) Samuel ended up taking a really heavy touch. He ends up stretching for the ball in front of Brownhill. But Samuel makes it and it sets up a shot at goal. Had Brownhill been that 5 yards deeper initially, the poor touch by Samuel is easily intercepted and JB would have the time to clear. This is what I’m talking about. The extra few yards, the split second of earlier awareness of the play that’s developing. The ‘switched on’ brain to cover your midfield partner. Pack was always in that cage. Nagy & Massengo will look to defend higher and wider, and close down in all areas with pace. The other CM needs to compliment this. And I’ve seen a few incidents so far of that not happening and therefore numerous chances being conceded down the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Harry said: As I mentioned in my post earlier, I observed that with Nagy (and Massengo for that matter if he’s playing the ‘deeper’ role), are much more mobile than Pack ever was and as a result they will have the energy and pace to defend wider than Pack did. This means that whoever is the other midfield partner (Brownhill in yesterday’s game), needs to be more aware of having to cover centrally, outside the D. Pack never roamed away from here, but now Nagy (and Massengo) will, then Brownhill needs to work harder to cover when they go to defend ‘out of the cage’. I’ve screenshot a couple of examples : Screenie 1) The 3 CB’s (circled blue) are wide apart, with Baker having pushed higher to close an attacker. Nagy (circled black) is the 2nd deepest man bar Kalas, and is jockeying the player with the ball. There is a huge space in the central midfield. This is where Brownhill needs to be more aware. All he needs to be is 5 yards deeper and he impacts the play. Screenie 2) Nagy has done well to delay the attacker and allow his CB’s to attain a tighter unit. You can now see that extra 5 yards that Brownhill could’ve had. This would’ve completely closed down the space for the ball carrier to turn and play the pass which led to a shot at goal. Screenie 3) This happened quite regularly. No midfield pressure on the ball carrier, allowing a very easy pass in between the lines. Massengo & Brownhill, neither providing a shield in front of the back 3, allowing the striker to easily move across the line between Kalas & Baker to create the easy option for the forward pass. The attacker moving along the line had therefore attracted Baker, leaving a big hole between Baker & Rowe for the 3rd man runner to drive into. He receives the pass round the corner and is in on goal. Essentially on this one, the DM shield is not there, and there is no CM attempting to pressure the ball carrier, thus giving the attackers plenty of time to plan their moves. Screenie 4) Samuel, the clear danger man, has made his move inside Rowe. Massengo has had to go with the decoy runner. This has left a huge gap infront of the CB’s. That ‘cage’ we’re talking about. Brownhill needs to have been aware earlier in the move that as soon as Massengo is dragged wide, he needs to fill the void. Again, he just needs 5 yards. Get back into the cage and shield the CB’s. Screenie 5) Samuel ended up taking a really heavy touch. He ends up stretching for the ball in front of Brownhill. But Samuel makes it and it sets up a shot at goal. Had Brownhill been that 5 yards deeper initially, the poor touch by Samuel is easily intercepted and JB would have the time to clear. This is what I’m talking about. The extra few yards, the split second of earlier awareness of the play that’s developing. The ‘switched on’ brain to cover your midfield partner. Pack was always in that cage. Nagy & Massengo will look to defend higher and wider, and close down in all areas with pace. The other CM needs to compliment this. And I’ve seen a few incidents so far of that not happening and therefore numerous chances being conceded down the middle. QPR did seem to outnumber us in midfield. But in open play I don't think they really created many chances at all. We looked pretty good defensively as a team I thought except in wide areas where our wing backs were poor I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 20 hours ago, spudski said: Me too...think we have the makings of a decent football team. I don't think it's going to be this season now...but fingers crossed we see the potential come good sooner rather than later. Just a shame DaSilva is injured. It crossed my mind yesterday whilst watching the game of a potential 433 if everyone played to their potential imo. ----------------------Bentley----------------------- Pedro_____Kalas____Baker_______Rowe _______________Nagy________________ _______Messengo_____DaSiva________ __________Brownhill_Palmer__________ ________________Afobe______________ Or drop Palmer when wanting to play with a higher two and play Semenyo next to Afobe. The potential of movement and passing between Messengo, Nagy and DaSilva could be very exciting. Rowe at lb so we can play Dasilva up in midfield and drop eliasson from natural position? Then play brownhill CAM and none of our hundreds of attacking mids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Walked out of the ground on Saturday behind three burly guys wearing red Hungarian national team shirts bearing the names of players - ‘Gera’, the only one I can recall. Perhaps we should be opening up a market to actively target the sale of City merchandise to Hungarian supporters? That’s how the top Premier League clubs operate. Strike while the vas is forró. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 09:51, BobBobSuperBob said: Spot on , watching him off the ball , he was constantly changing his position , filling holes , blocking passing lanes and ready to pounce Not as good as Rudolf though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Harry great informative post, the kinda thing Pack did unnoticed. The flip side of this is - does the fact that we no longer have one player (Pack) constrained to the “cage” mean that we can have more flexibility / fluidity when we have the ball? My initial thought from Brum and QPR is yes. Does one outweigh the other enough. Dunno...yet, need more time for “partnerships and patterns” to evolve. Very early days and neither opponent was Leeds-class either. The interesting thing for me is the range of positions Nagy (forget Josh discussion for the mo’) that he has found himself in. v Brum - blocked shot from inside the penalty area on LHS after scramble. Close down and win on edge of box to see shot saved by Camp (Nagy just misjudged the spin) v QPR - in 45 mins only - popped up in left wing position to deliver cross to Toblerone-Head Hunt at the back stick One-two with Afobe to break into the box before getting crowded out. Starting the thrust of the move which led to his goal by a nice left footed pass out to the maligned crosser Hunt to deliver to Afobe and then arrive with anticipation to half volley home. That is a real bonus for me. Josh was fairly quiet Saturday but performed a disciplined role second half without Nagy. Quite an emphasis Saturday for Cameron to get close to JB when we had the ball too. We may see less of those driving Give and Goes as he splits responsibility with Nagy. Gonna be interesting to see what develops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Walked out of the ground on Saturday behind three burly guys wearing red Hungarian national team shirts bearing the names of players - ‘Gera’, the only one I can recall. Perhaps we should be opening up a market to actively target the sale of City merchandise to Hungarian supporters? That’s how the top Premier League clubs operate. Strike while the vas is forró. Vorosmarty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 17/08/2019 at 20:13, TBW said: Adam's have now evolved! Read a lot of Bible, do you @TBW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Nagy.... Nagy.... Nagy Oi !.... Oi ! ....Oi ! I know its not how you pronounce his surname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Still no news on the injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Still no news on the injury? ITV west suggested that he's not available tomorrow night because he rolled his ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: ITV west suggested that he's not available tomorrow night because he rolled his ankle. Shame. I wonder if LJ will let Massengo start? I hope so, with a sub up his sleeve if it's a bit much for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangle Foot Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Shame. I wonder if LJ will let Massengo start? I hope so, with a sub up his sleeve if it's a bit much for him. If Nagy is unavailable for selection, I'd start with Massengo, and I'd have O'Dowda on the bench. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Wonder if Nagy cares that the whole country pronounces his name incorrectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Evil Post reported a few minutes ago that Adam's ankle had no swelling and all being well he should be fit for tomorrow night. Good news if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Evil Post reported a few minutes ago that Adam's ankle had no swelling and all being well he should be fit for tomorrow night. Good news if true. On Saturday he was limping for a few minutes and then started running normally, LJ suggesting that the physios made him sub him at h-t, it wasn’t LJ or the player. If he’s suffered no swelling, then hopefully he’s fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Having not had the pleasure of watching Nagy play as yet but hearing good things about him, could someone give a comparison to a similar type of player. Either a former city player or someone more well known around the world. Just watching the Wolves game. Could Nagy be our Neves for what he done for Wolves in the championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Having not had the pleasure of watching Nagy play as yet but hearing good things about him, could someone give a comparison to a similar type of player. Either a former city player or someone more well known around the world. Just watching the Wolves game. Could Nagy be our Neves for what he done for Wolves in the championship? Deschamps to Massengo’s Zidane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Having not had the pleasure of watching Nagy play as yet but hearing good things about him, could someone give a comparison to a similar type of player. Either a former city player or someone more well known around the world. Just watching the Wolves game. Could Nagy be our Neves for what he done for Wolves in the championship? Reminds me of @Shuffle, with a slightly better touch!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Having not had the pleasure of watching Nagy play as yet but hearing good things about him, could someone give a comparison to a similar type of player. Either a former city player or someone more well known around the world. Just watching the Wolves game. Could Nagy be our Neves for what he done for Wolves in the championship? Good question Ivan - been trying to think of an accurate comparison Neves not a million miles away and I’m struggling to find a better comparison Winks not too dissimilar Neves probably has a touch more quality, certainly in in his goal threat / shooting prowess but Nagy on initial showing probably gets around pitch bit more Hes a good player , oozed quiet class on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PooPants Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: Still no news on the injury? He said on Instagram that it’s nothing serious. Ive been on holiday for the first few games of the season but from what I’ve heard this guy is going to my favourite player going forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Where has his Instagram gone? Can't find it at all? Anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said: Wonder if Nagy cares that the whole country pronounces his name incorrectly? Co-lay Sku-say didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 hours ago, TheCulturalBomb said: Where has his Instagram gone? Can't find it at all? Anyone else Still here: https://instagram.com/nagyi?igshid=1x8yb5cgog0lp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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