And Its Smith Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Strong rumours suggesting Kalvin Phillips has made the squad. I’m certain Phillips and White will be I euros squad next summer. Maybe Watkins as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 Abraham, Greenwood, Sancho, Sterling, Kane, Rashford and Ings all in the squad....some firepower that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: That would be interesting. There was a suggestion he was going to play for (I think) Ireland if he could. Sounds like we've tried to pip them to the post ala Abraham a few years back Jamaica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 Appreciate injuries played a part but it's a bit of a weird squad. How Michael Keane is in that squad over a Jack O'Connell I don't know, and no Grealish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 No left back in the squad unless you are counting Mings who hasn't played there for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Appreciate injuries played a part but it's a bit of a weird squad. How Michael Keane is in that squad over a Jack O'Connell I don't know, and no Grealish. Get pissed up, break lockdown and wrap your Range Rover round a lamp post - and still expect to be given an England cap? I don't think it's too surprising he's missing. Agree on Keane but not sure we really have any quality at centre half. I'm happy to see Foden in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I’m certain Phillips and White will be I euros squad next summer. Maybe Watkins as well Whoa, lets see how he gets on at Aberdeen before we jump to any conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nibor said: Get pissed up, break lockdown and wrap your Range Rover round a lamp post - and still expect to be given an England cap? I don't think it's too surprising he's missing. Agree on Keane but not sure we really have any quality at centre half. I'm happy to see Foden in though. Tomori would have been worth a shout. Midefield looks a bit light when you consider Henderson, Oxlade-CHamberlain, Barkley, Alli and Maddison are all missing from the squad but it does go to show the depth we have available now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nibor said: Get pissed up, break lockdown and wrap your Range Rover round a lamp post - and still expect to be given an England cap? I don't think it's too surprising he's missing. Agree on Keane but not sure we really have any quality at centre half. I'm happy to see Foden in though. Get arrested and allegedly assault a Greek police officer, gets you in the squad, maybe Grealish should have twatted some coppers. Eric Dier in that squad ahead of Tarkowski, Dunk, is a ******* joke. Jesus Webby has been better than Dier at CB this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 Can't see Grealish getting in any time soon, Villa fans will be up in arms but he's been an idiot quite a few times & the FA/Southgate probably don't want the risks of it when hes on international duty. With the likes of Foden/Mount/Maddison we're pretty well stocked there anyway. Phillips was class last season, really intrigued to see how he gets on this year. 1 minute ago, Spud55 said: Get arrested and allegedly assault a Greek police officer, gets you in the squad, maybe Grealish should have twatted some coppers. Eric Dier in that squad ahead of Tarkowski, Dunk, is a ******* joke. Jesus Webby has been better than Dier at CB this season. Funnily enough I was looking at odds to be in the euros squad next summer, and Dier was priced at 5/1, I didn't have a bet but thought that was pretty long odds for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Appreciate injuries played a part but it's a bit of a weird squad. How Michael Keane is in that squad over a Jack O'Connell I don't know, and no Grealish. Would say Connor Coady should be ahead of O’Connell 14 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: No left back in the squad unless you are counting Mings who hasn't played there for a while now. Chilwell injured I’m guessing. Three right backs in the squad so assume either Walker or Trippier in as a left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, Nibor said: Get pissed up, break lockdown and wrap your Range Rover round a lamp post - and still expect to be given an England cap? I don't think it's too surprising he's missing. See your point but then you've also got to leave out Maguire so I'm not convinced that's why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Would say Connor Coady should be ahead of O’Connell Chilwell injured I’m guessing. Three right backs in the squad so assume either Walker or Trippier in as a left back. It's strange he's gone with no left back when Saka is out there & able to play for two nations. He looks quality I reckon & can do a job there. I hope he still opts for us over Nigeria, but when he's left out at times like this he must be considering Nigeria a bit more seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Would say Connor Coady should be ahead of O’Connell Either should be in ahead of Keane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 Absolutely flabbergasted tbh. How have Pickford, Dier, Keane, Walker, Mings and Trippier all managed to get in the side and Grealish, Coady, even Jack Stephens at Southampton have managed to not. Southgate reminds me of Lee Johnson, a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Either should be in ahead of Keane! Tarkowski has been the highest rated CB this season other than VVD in the top 5 leagues in Europe, yet still can't get in the England squad ahead of Dier and Keane who are gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2015 said: Absolutely flabbergasted tbh. How have Pickford, Dier, Keane, Walker, Mings and Trippier all managed to get in the side and Grealish, Coady, even Jack Stephens at Southampton have managed to not. Southgate reminds me of Lee Johnson, a lot. Because you need an element of continuity to the squad, none of the players listed have let England down and some have been integral to the recent success i.e. Pickford, Trippier and to a lesser extent Dier regardless of their club form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Dolman_Stand said: Because you need an element of continuity to the squad, none of the players listed have let England down and some have been integral to the recent success i.e. Pickford, Trippier and to a lesser extent Dier regardless of their club form. You also need to pick players on form and at their best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2015 said: Absolutely flabbergasted tbh. How have Pickford, Dier, Keane, Walker, Mings and Trippier all managed to get in the side and Grealish, Coady, even Jack Stephens at Southampton have managed to not. Southgate reminds me of Lee Johnson, a lot. Trouble we've had in the past with many players is that when they've played for England they've not done as well as they do for their club teams. Now you've got certain players who aren't doing well at club level, but well for England. Pickford, Walker & Trippier have all done pretty well when called upon for England, probably the reason they've been called up. I never thought much of Welbeck/Wilshere in club football, but when they played for England they always did a decent job. I don't mind Southgate picking these players, because I believe if their performances drop off he wont be picking them. Everyone feared he'd take his trusted Livermore to the World Cup, but he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsocks Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 No grealish who last season was outstanding.And how has he picked Maguire who's on trial for being a ***** with loads of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 For me there’s no way Maguire should be in this squad given he’s currently in court, innocent until proven guilty and all but just makes the squad even more of a media circus than normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, 2015 said: You also need to pick players on form and at their best I agree to an extent but what Southgate has created with his England set-up is a club-like culture which has brought a bit more togetherness than previous England managers, to maintain that culture there has to be an element of consistency in selection rather constant changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, Dolman_Stand said: I agree to an extent but what Southgate has created with his England set-up is a club-like culture which has brought a bit more togetherness than previous England managers, to maintain that culture there has to be an element of consistency in selection rather constant changes. It's the contradictions though, he clearly has his favourites who are now no longer good enough imo and still sticks with them. The club isn't good enough anymore, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, 2015 said: It's the contradictions though, he clearly has his favourites who are now no longer good enough imo and still sticks with them. The club isn't good enough anymore, I'm afraid. FOr as long as I've followed football there has always been discussion around players who should be or shouldn't be in the England squad its part and parcel of being England manager, what nobody can argue with is that we are in a far better place with Southgate than we have for years both in terms of performances / results and public engagement with this squad of players. Worth rememebering this is probably the weirdest time for him to be picking an England squad given current circumstances, as we get towards 2021 Euro's I'm sure there will be further tweaking dependant on form and fitness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Dolman_Stand said: FOr as long as I've followed football there has always been discussion around players who should be or shouldn't be in the England squad its part and parcel of being England manager, what nobody can argue with is that we are in a far better place with Southgate than we have for years both in terms of performances / results and public engagement with this squad of players. Worth rememebering this is probably the weirdest time for him to be picking an England squad given current circumstances, as we get towards 2021 Euro's I'm sure there will be further tweaking dependant on form and fitness If we go into the tournament with that squad my prediction is Round of 16 is the furthest we'd go. It isn't our best players and you have to go with the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 38 minutes ago, Spud55 said: Get arrested and allegedly assault a Greek police officer, gets you in the squad, maybe Grealish should have twatted some coppers. Eric Dier in that squad ahead of Tarkowski, Dunk, is a ******* joke. Jesus Webby has been better than Dier at CB this season. I think if he's convicted he'll get the same treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, 2015 said: If we go into the tournament with that squad my prediction is Round of 16 is the furthest we'd go. It isn't our best players and you have to go with the best. We got to the semis of a World Cup with a squad heavily reliant on Jesse Lingard. I think we'll do pretty well next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 I believe this is a stronger squad than our last tournament. Some young hungry players. No Wan-Bissaka though? From what i've seen he's a better defender than TAA but not as good going forward, shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: We got to the semis of a World Cup with a squad heavily reliant on Jesse Lingard. I think we'll do pretty well next summer. We also lost at the first sight of a half decent side, so I'm not sure we can read too much into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: We got to the semis of a World Cup with a squad heavily reliant on Jesse Lingard. I think we'll do pretty well next summer. With the sides put infront of us, anything bar a semi final finish would have been poor. If we come up against France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Belgium when it matters, we'll lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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