BobBobSuperBob Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Bard said: Some aspects but nowhere near in terms of his allround game. Biggest problem with him isn't 'laziness' per se, more that I think he switches off too often. His vision is outstanding but he would have to improve in a lot of the aspects of his game to be good enough for a higher level. Bear in mind he’s being asked to do here , far more than he has Id suggest at any point in his career to date Hes learning , and his attitude has been excellent IMHO I had him wrong , and wouldn’t have believed I would have seen the work he’s trying to put in tbh Potentially outstanding at his level IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Possession is nothing unless you have an end product, clearly we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Possession is nothing unless you have an end product, clearly we do. We. Have. Threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Possession is nothing unless you have an end product, clearly we do. Not sure why the flames, but we have scored 11, one of the top scorers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We. Have. Threat. We Have Goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 24 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Not sure why the flames, but we have scored 11, one of the top scorers in the league. Doesn’t flames emoji mean “you’re on fire”, as in I thought you posted a really good post. I was complimenting you on the simplicity of your post in hitting the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Doesn’t flames emoji mean “you’re on fire”, as in I thought you posted a really good post. I was complimenting you on the simplicity of your post in hitting the mark. Sorry Dave I am entering new territory here, I assumed I was to be flamed as in the Biblical sense, Bob are you seeing this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Sorry Dave I am entering new territory here, I assumed I was to be flamed as in the Biblical sense, Bob are you seeing this!!! Maybe I’ve got it wrong??? Hope not....might’ve pissed off a few people if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: ...have we had more possession than the opposition (Brum A); what do we read into that? Seems in stark contrast to last season when we bossed most games. So, deliberate tactic or a sign we're struggling in possession? Looks like we are still relying on counter attacking teams Today there were at least 6 occasions when Bentley looked for a quick throw out to players to start counter attacks and led to good chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: ...have we had more possession than the opposition (Brum A); what do we read into that? Seems in stark contrast to last season when we bossed most games. So, deliberate tactic or a sign we're struggling in possession? Did we boss most games possession wise last season? I'd suggest perhaps not! Mixed bag. If it were earlier I'd pull up the stats for each game but it's late so perhaps Sunday proper! However it's definitely less possession heavy this year.. Part gameplan, part personnel availability and part formation/tactical setup IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 If I remember correctly Leicester had less possession in most of their games when they won the Prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Possession is overrated. Only FIFA players think possession means you deserve to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I thought Clayton was excellent , as was Ashley Fletcher with his movement - caused all sorts of headaches Said somewhere else - I thought we needed an organiser to calm things down at times and get us reset Someone like Pack , for instance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: ...have we had more possession than the opposition (Brum A); what do we read into that? Seems in stark contrast to last season when we bossed most games. So, deliberate tactic or a sign we're struggling in possession? I felt last season we had so much pointless possession. We would just knock the ball about and at times would never look like going forward at all. Far to pedestrian for my liking I feel we are playing a lot more direct this season. There was a couple of times yesterday where we were under the cosh and within a few seconds we had broke and we were in their box. I was really impressed with us yesterday. It's just such a huge shame we are carrying the injuries we are as I think this team will concede to many goals to maintain a top 6. That's not a criticism though....Taylor-Moore for example is doing excellently. I just feel he has been thrown in the deep end massively and the learning curve for him his huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 From the stats over the past two seasons, it suggests we are a team that is strong on the counter attack. Nicking possession, countering on the flanks, and creating scoring opportunities in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 12 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: Sorry Dave I am entering new territory here, I assumed I was to be flamed as in the Biblical sense, Bob are you seeing this!!! I always take the fire emoji to be positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Someone like Pack , for instance ? Perhaps Nagy would be that player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 17 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: ...have we had more possession than the opposition (Brum A); what do we read into that? Seems in stark contrast to last season when we bossed most games. So, deliberate tactic or a sign we're struggling in possession? Shall I do what I always do and remind people what 'possession' means? Possession is the % of passes made in a game. So City play fewer passes than the opposition. This could be that we pass the ball less across the back line, for example. But I think it because we are more direct than other teams. By 'direct' I mean that we try to play the 'killer pass' at the earliest opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Andy082005 said: I felt last season we had so much pointless possession. We would just knock the ball about and at times would never look like going forward at all. Far to pedestrian for my liking I feel we are playing a lot more direct this season. There was a couple of times yesterday where we were under the cosh and within a few seconds we had broke and we were in their box. I was really impressed with us yesterday. It's just such a huge shame we are carrying the injuries we are as I think this team will concede to many goals to maintain a top 6. That's not a criticism though....Taylor-Moore for example is doing excellently. I just feel he has been thrown in the deep end massively and the learning curve for him his huge Agree, much better watch yesterday than about 20 home games last season!!! Boro played their part too. That helped make a very good spectacle and with so many chances I tended to watch the game rather than look too much analytically. Defensively, I think Moore has come in and improved, but he’s gonna have blips, but what else is LJ meant to do, so I agree. When we are back to full strength, a back line with options of: Hunt or Pereira Kalas, Baker, Moore, Williams, Wright Dasilva (Rowe) in front of Bentley or Mäenpää looks good, especially with Nagy in front of them in midfield too. Lets get a couple of players back like Nagy and Kalas, and see where we are then. September has only 3 games, so time to work on the training ground....as it is a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 18 hours ago, pongo88 said: Stats regarding possession can be misleading. You can have a lot of possession and create nothing. The opposition can have a lot of possession but never look dangerous. You can have less possession than the opposition but still create more chances etc. Exactly right. Im not sure why some fans see possession stats as having any relevance. It’s quite possible to have 20% possession and win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree, much better watch yesterday than about 20 home games last season!!! Boro played their part too. That helped make a very good spectacle and with so many chances I tended to watch the game rather than look too much analytically. Defensively, I think Moore has come in and improved, but he’s gonna have blips, but what else is LJ meant to do, so I agree. When we are back to full strength, a back line with options of: Hunt or Pereira Kalas, Baker, Moore, Williams, Wright Dasilva (Rowe) in front of Bentley or Mäenpää looks good, especially with Nagy in front of them in midfield too. Lets get a couple of players back like Nagy and Kalas, and see where we are then. September has only 3 games, so time to work on the training ground....as it is a new team. Astute comments comrade. And if City fans are grumbling about the game being open, then so should Boro fans, because we cut them open countless times, especially on the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Astute comments comrade. And if City fans are grumbling about the game being open, then so should Boro fans, because we cut them open countless times, especially on the break. As I previously wroted ‘ it was a great game for the neutral ‘ . Exciting and tbf à draw was the right result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Exactly right. Im not sure why some fans see possession stats as having any relevance. It’s quite possible to have 20% possession and win the game. It's the hangover from the Barcelona and Spanish sides of Iniesta and Xavi. People have been mesmerised into thinking possession is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree, much better watch yesterday than about 20 home games last season!!! Boro played their part too. That helped make a very good spectacle and with so many chances I tended to watch the game rather than look too much analytically. Defensively, I think Moore has come in and improved, but he’s gonna have blips, but what else is LJ meant to do, so I agree. When we are back to full strength, a back line with options of: Hunt or Pereira Kalas, Baker, Moore, Williams, Wright Dasilva (Rowe) in front of Bentley or Mäenpää looks good, especially with Nagy in front of them in midfield too. Lets get a couple of players back like Nagy and Kalas, and see where we are then. September has only 3 games, so time to work on the training ground....as it is a new team. It was an entertaining game to watch as a neutral Dave... offensively both teams were going for it. However... tactically...when out of possession and defending it was often cringeworthy to see what positions some of our players were taking. Wayyyyyy too open. But I guess that's what makes it 'entertaining'...as it's the human error and imperfections that allow the chances to be created. If Boro's chances had gone in, I wonder whether fans would still have been entertained? Watching yesterday, reminded me a little of when we came up under SC and we were playing open attacking football, but getting wooped every week. I think the International break has come at a great time. We need it. As for a full fit team. I'd like to see... ______________Bentley_______________ _____Kalas_____Baker____Moore______ Pedro__________Nagy_________DaSilva _____Brownhill________Messengo_____ ______________Palmer_______________ ______________Afobe________________ Or... ______________Bentley_____________ Pedro____Kalas______Baker____DaSilva _______Nagy__________Messengo_____ ___Brownhill______________Palmer____ _________Weimann__Afobe___________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, spudski said: It was an entertaining game to watch as a neutral Dave... offensively both teams were going for it. However... tactically...when out of possession and defending it was often cringeworthy to see what positions some of our players were taking. Wayyyyyy too open. But I guess that's what makes it 'entertaining'...as it's the human error and imperfections that allow the chances to be created. If Boro's chances had gone in, I wonder whether fans would still have been entertained? Watching yesterday, reminded me a little of when we came up under SC and we were playing open attacking football, but getting wooped every week. I think the International break has come at a great time. We need it. As for a full fit team. I'd like to see... ______________Bentley_______________ _____Kalas_____Baker____Moore______ Pedro__________Nagy_________DaSilva _____Brownhill________Messengo_____ ______________Palmer_______________ ______________Afobe________________ Or... ______________Bentley_____________ Pedro____Kalas______Baker____DaSilva _______Nagy__________Messengo_____ ___Brownhill______________Palmer____ _________Weimann__Afobe___________ You wouldn’t have Rowe starting in either team? Ive certainly been impressed with what I’ve seen of him so far. With a fully fit squad LJ will have an abundance of talent - it’ll probably give him a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 19 hours ago, Dr Balls said: Boro had a lot of possession today but for long periods much of it was just along their back 4............. Just like City did when SoD was manager. Endless sideways passes that achieved nothing. Happy days (or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: You wouldn’t have Rowe starting in either team? Ive certainly been impressed with what I’ve seen of him so far. With a fully fit squad LJ will have an abundance of talent - it’ll probably give him a headache. Rowe has been fantastic...however I think DaSilva has a better all round ability. From what I've seen...Messengo, Nagy, DaSilva and Palmer...once dialled in together, could prove very potent in moving the ball around well and quickly. Others could feed off those four nicely. Tbh... there's an argument to play Rowe at LB and DaSilva in front of him. Both rotating duties down the left. Like you say we have an abundance of quality options when all fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 20 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: ...have we had more possession than the opposition (Brum A); what do we read into that? Seems in stark contrast to last season when we bossed most games. So, deliberate tactic or a sign we're struggling in possession? The fact that Nagy isn’t there. He played most of the game against Brum and then in the 45 we had him on for against QPR we had more possession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Flint says No said: The fact that Nagy isn’t there. He played most of the game against Brum and then in the 45 we had him on for against QPR we had more possession I think that possession stats are pretty meaningless. I as posted just now any team can win a game with a low percentage of possession. Its what a team does when in possession that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, Robbored said: I think that possession stats are pretty meaningless. I as posted just now any team can win a game with a low percentage of possession. Its what a team does when in possession that really matters. Beg to differ Robbo. When in possession you are less tired than chasing. Sometimes the aim off possession is to move the ball around, tire the opposition out, keep the ball deep and let the opposition come to you. This then creates space behind which you can then exploit. We aim to do this when in possession. When out of possession, we press when their are triggers. I've noticed we often press higher in the first half of games with energy. looking to steal the ball or intercept higher up. As teams are tiring...we sit deeper. Drawing the opposition into our defensive third, then counter-attack when we steal the ball and launch into an attack at speed. Essentially, the tactic involves dropping deep, allowing the opposition to have the ball and come forward with it, committing players forward and leaving gaps in behind as they go. The aim is to take the ball off the opposition, exploiting the space left to attack and score. We use both possession and counter attack in different parts of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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