Jerseybean Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Guessing that the loan arrangement will mean that Benik isn’t able to play against Stoke, does anyone know for sure please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Jerseybean said: Guessing that the loan arrangement will mean that Benik isn’t able to play against Stoke, does anyone know for sure please? Ofcourse. It's the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fammy will start imo. Hopefully fired up with a point to prove. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, The Bard said: Ofcourse. It's the rules Thanks, didn’t appreciate that it’s a given, thought it was something negotiated between the two clubs involved. Just taken a look at the EFL rules re loan players and rule 58.4 actually says that a player will not be permitted to play against his parent club, however, it then goes onto say that if the parent club give written consent this rule can be over-ruled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Provided no more injuries and returnees doing so without a hitch. One way to go might be Eliasson, Palmer and Weimann as a front 3. Would need a proper central midfield 3 and it would be pretty fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I've a bad feeling about the Stoke game. Hoping their awful run will continue after the international break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Williams, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I give you one David Seal, scored the winner for Northampton against us...........while on loan ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: I give you one David Seal, scored the winner for Northampton against us...........while on loan ! Ah yes. ‘Come on silver lady take my word....’ one of my favourites back in the day. I liked him in Starsky and Hutch too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 David seal ark ark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, The Bard said: Ofcourse. It's the rules Not sure i's the rules, always use to be a gentleman agreement. You weren't allowed to put an actual clause in the deal. Amounts to the same thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Jerseybean said: Thanks, didn’t appreciate that it’s a given, thought it was something negotiated between the two clubs involved. Just taken a look at the EFL rules re loan players and rule 58.4 actually says that a player will not be permitted to play against his parent club, however, it then goes onto say that if the parent club give written consent this rule can be over-ruled! Correct, but we seem to be the only country that has this rule. Players loaned out in Spain, Germany, Italy etc always seem to play against their parent club. If you've loaned out a player with a view to moving him on I see no point in stopping him playing, nor if he's loaned with a view to get him games. I would scrap the rule. If the opposing manager doesn't want to play him because of doubts about his intensity in such a game that's a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'm pretty sure his parent club would ensure that he can't play against yhem just like we ensured that Pato can't play against us. I agree with the OP that suggested a forward 3 of Andi, Nic and Kasey. That, along with say Josh and Adam behind them and a back 5 of whoever we can muster with Jay, Bailey and Tomas all on the treatment table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Jerseybean said: Thanks, didn’t appreciate that it’s a given, thought it was something negotiated between the two clubs involved. Just taken a look at the EFL rules re loan players and rule 58.4 actually says that a player will not be permitted to play against his parent club, however, it then goes onto say that if the parent club give written consent this rule can be over-ruled! Lets be serious here, with the way he's playing for us if you were Stoke would you let him play against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 11 hours ago, The Batman said: I've a bad feeling about the Stoke game. Hoping their awful run will continue after the international break. Wouldn’t surprise me if a new manager is in place as well for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoTheCiderHead Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm glad this has been brought up as I've been thinking the same thing. I too assumed it's a given that he won't be allowed to play for us but because nothing was mentioned in any of the articles when he signed for us, that's what made me wonder. If you compare it to when Pato was loaned out to Derby, one of the first things specified was the fact that "Paterson will not be eligible to play against Lee Johnson’s side when the teams meet in the 2019/20 season" whereas nothing with Benik. Also, with the fact there is an option to purchase him at the end of the season, I wondered if that had any bearing on the rules.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 11 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Come on silver lady take my word. I read that as 'Come on Silver Lady Take My Sword'. I really must start cutting down on the porn. This international break isn't gonna help matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 11 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Not sure i's the rules, always use to be a gentleman agreement. You weren't allowed to put an actual clause in the deal. Amounts to the same thing though. Nah. Loan deals is the rules. Permanent deals you can't insist either way, nor have a gentleman's agreement. Big furore a few years ago when Tim Howard moved from United to Everton and a gentleman's agreement was in place that he couldn't play the game between the two teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Nah. Loan deals is the rules. Permanent deals you can't insist either way, nor have a gentleman's agreement. Big furore a few years ago when Tim Howard moved from United to Everton and a gentleman's agreement was in place that he couldn't play the game between the two teams. Yeah, checked after I posted, though I'm sure it must have changed . They can only play against their Parent club with written permission, not sure who would actually do this, always a chance he'd come back to bite you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 He definitely won't be eligible v Stoke. A Plan B might be Palmer behind Weimann, kind of a 4-4-1-1. Plenty of ways to work it- could have the same back 4, maybe Brownhill-Nagy-Massengo-Eliasson ie bringing back the 4-4-1-1 of 2 seasons ago. Bit asymmetrical. Or could go with O'Dowda-Brownhill-Nagy/Massengo-Eliasson with obviously Palmer-Weimann in the 1-1. O'Dowda can come inside, 3 centrally in certain phases- Weimann can pull wider higher up the pitch, overloads possible. Or even: Bentley Moore Baker Williams Hunt Brownhill Massengo Nagy Rowe Palmer Weimann Versatility aplenty, Brownhill can pull right to help with doubling up if 2 v 1, Weimann can pull left in order to in theory help Rowe, can also come inside to help to outnumber as and when, though with a packed middle it may not be necessary. It's imperfect but with the number of absentees solutions will be a bit mix and match. *Subject to injuries, hitches in recovery etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, daored said: Wouldn’t surprise me if a new manager is in place as well for them True. Hoping they'll give him until after the break. They'd have done it by now I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: He definitely won't be eligible v Stoke. A Plan B might be Palmer behind Weimann, kind of a 4-4-1-1. Plenty of ways to work it- could have the same back 4, maybe Brownhill-Nagy-Massengo-Eliasson ie bringing back the 4-4-1-1 of 2 seasons ago. Bit asymmetrical. Or could go with O'Dowda-Brownhill-Nagy/Massengo-Eliasson with obviously Palmer-Weimann in the 1-1. O'Dowda can come inside, 3 centrally in certain phases- Weimann can pull wider higher up the pitch, overloads possible. Or even: Bentley Moore Baker Williams Hunt Brownhill Massengo Nagy Rowe Palmer Weimann Versatility aplenty, Brownhill can pull right to help with doubling up if 2 v 1, Weimann can pull left in order to in theory help Rowe, can also come inside to help to outnumber as and when, though with a packed middle it may not be necessary. It's imperfect but with the number of absentees solutions will be a bit mix and match. *Subject to injuries, hitches in recovery etc. Alternatively LJ might just replace Afobe with Semenyo. That’ll piss Famara off even further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Alternatively LJ might just replace Afobe with Semenyo. That’ll piss Famara off even further Good shout, forgot about him almost. We have some real depth now, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Yeah, checked after I posted, though I'm sure it must have changed . They can only play against their Parent club with written permission, not sure who would actually do this, always a chance he'd come back to bite you. Chelsea allowed their loanees at Derby to play against them in the EFL Cup last season. Not sure, but maybe Cup ok, league not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 Hasn’t Fammy scored a couple in the last few games against Stoke? Give him a couple of weeks training alongside AW and start those two up top; refuse to believe he’s become a bad player overnight, and Stoke is a good opportunity for him to find some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Chelsea allowed their loanees at Derby to play against them in the EFL Cup last season. Not sure, but maybe Cup ok, league not. Yep Cups are different. The site I read it on said as standard in the Prem loanees don't play against parent clubs but can, if agreed in cups. The EFL there is a clause in the loan contract that has to be triggered to let a player play against his own club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Steve Watts said: Nah. Loan deals is the rules. Permanent deals you can't insist either way, nor have a gentleman's agreement. Big furore a few years ago when Tim Howard moved from United to Everton and a gentleman's agreement was in place that he couldn't play the game between the two teams. Didn`t we do the same when we sold Christian Roberts to Swindon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 If he can’t play, hopefully, he will take his place in the away end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuxHarry Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 ANyone think that he might start Diedhiou and semenyo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TuxHarry said: ANyone think that he might start Diedhiou and semenyo? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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