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England v Kosovo Match Thread

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Am I the only person who doesn't rate Trent-Arnold? Yes hes good going forward, but becomes far too suspect when defending.

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2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Has anyone missed VAR?

Yep - dives for both penalties, keeper off the line to save from Kane, red card for the challenge on Mount

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It’s no bad thing this.....we win the game but all the hype surrounding England can be put to bed now. We’ve just lost 45 minutes to Kosovo. Southgate probably knew he had work to do, now a few players might realise it too.

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1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s no bad thing this.....we win the game but all the hype surrounding England can be put to bed now. We’ve just lost 45 minutes to Kosovo. Southgate probably knew he had work to do, now a few players might realise it too.

Southgate is very limited IMHO

Would love to see what a Venables or Hoddle would have done with some of the players we have now

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15 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Wrap it up how u like

We are losing this half 2-0

Southgate should be quietly simmering

I think he will be. He wasn't happy with how sloppy and open they were on Saturday, and tonight has been worse in that respect.

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4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s no bad thing this.....we win the game but all the hype surrounding England can be put to bed now. We’ve just lost 45 minutes to Kosovo. Southgate probably knew he had work to do, now a few players might realise it too.

Wouldn't happen, but imagine what a coach like Pep could do with this England team given time

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22 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Only just noticed Henderson is playing

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Him being a Champions League-winning skipper is one of those great anomalies that football throws up.

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Entertaining , but for a team building towards a major tournament, - poor

full of holes and unable to control the game at any point 

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Entertaining , but for a team building towards a major tournament, - poor

full of holes and unable to control the game at any point 

Bet we’ll be more solid when we go over there.....

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Poor display. Donated three goals to Kosova. England very good at playing walking football which is a game I thought was for old men who cannot run!

Going nowhere with players like Barclay, Chilwell, a dreadful left back, Keane, Rice.  Wow.

Mae hen wlad..........................................  😏

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6 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Poor display. Donated three goals to Kosova. England very good at playing walking football which is a game I thoughr was for old men who cannot run!

Going nowhere with players like Barclay, Chilwell, a dreadful left back, Keane, Rice.  Wow.

Mae hen wlad..........................................  😏

Wales ".............🤣

How can you criticise England 🤣

 

 

Cymraeg ddiwerth

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Go to one-third pace with a defensive mind-set and you get sloppy. 

When will Southgate wake up to the fact that walking football breeds complacency. 

Henderson find a ******** forward gear will you. We don’t need three midfielders playing sideways and backwards you clown. 

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13 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Maguire...........the worlds most expensive defender?  Hmmm!

Chilwell was worse.

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5 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Go to one-third pace with a defensive mind-set and you get sloppy. 

When will Southgate wake up to the fact that walking football breeds complacency. 

Henderson find a ******** forward gear will you. We don’t need three midfielders playing sideways and backwards you clown. 

If the central midfield could have passed to each other as easily England would have not have been ran close by a team ranked below the Faroe Islands.

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11 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Go to one-third pace with a defensive mind-set and you get sloppy. 

When will Southgate wake up to the fact that walking football breeds complacency. 

Henderson find a ******** forward gear will you. We don’t need three midfielders playing sideways and backwards you clown. 

Maddison should have played instead of Rice. Not seeing what the fuss is about with him.

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11 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Henderson find a ******** forward gear will you. We don’t need three midfielders playing sideways and backwards you clown. 

Jeez, just how negative is he? Several times we were on the edge of their box and Henderson decides it's time to bring Pickford into play ....

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Get Maddison and Foden in plus Gomez at the back. 

Great going forward but until GS sorts out the losing the ball at the back then we won’t win a tournament. 

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Maguire and Keane = a bloody great hole in the centre of defence.

Play France, Belgium or perhaps one of the South American teams and we will be toast.

Still, we are unbeaten at the top of our group, so it's not all bad even though our group is the dross of Europe.

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Keane, Chillwell, Rice.

Worthy of England caps ? 

I don't think so.

Southgate underestimated the opposition tonight or he overestimated some of his players. The fullbacks were abysmal and either not ready for competitive England games or not up to it. Chillwell, imo, is nowhere near the standard.

Changing both full backs was a big mistake, neither of the two that came in were anywhere near the performance levels of who they replaced. And Keane - really  ? 

Yeah, we won and was entertaining, but Kosovo gave as good as they got and England were playing for the 5-3 at the end - at home, two goals in front.

Big wake up call for Gareth - he hasn't got the strength in depth he maybe thought he had.

More negatives than positives from that game.

 

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Thing is Chilwell and Rice have both been very decent in the PL so I wouldn’t write them off just yet. I would think both squad players once likes of Foden etc come through

Maguire generally is a solid defender so not got big issues there - just need someone else next to him. Keane and Stones are not the answer but Gomez is solid. 

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Does anybody remember this match?

England had to win by I forget how many goals to qualify for the finals and then this happened...

England conceded a goal inside the opening minute of an international match for the first time since November 1993, when San Marino’s Davide Gualtieri did so.

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Anyone else get the ‘hype’ Over Rice .

Talk of a £90m move by Man U .........

:dunno:

 

That's a joke surely. £90 million. More like thousand on that display.

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1 hour ago, Ecko said:

Am I the only person who doesn't rate Trent-Arnold? Yes hes good going forward, but becomes far too suspect when defending.

Seems a lot better for Liverpool but tonight he was average to poor. 

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57 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Him being a Champions League-winning skipper is one of those great anomalies that football throws up.

Why is Southgate playing Henderson out to the right. Get Rice off and Henderson central.

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1 minute ago, WECANDO said:

Why is Southgate playing Henderson out to the right. Get Rice off and Henderson central.

He often plays on the right of a 3 for Liverpool

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Don’t know why James Maddison didn’t play. He finally made it to the bench and yet despite there still being a sub to use, Gareth didn’t pick him(or anyone else) . Also why wait until 83rd minute, we should have played our subs all 3 of them between 60 & 75 minutes. 

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Incredible how negative some are. That’s Chilwell’s first average game for England but a fair few now say he isn’t good enough...one game!

Henderson is clearly excellent. 

Other top nations often have only okay results in qualifiers and then reach finals or win the thing. No need to be so negative. We have an excellent squad 

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3 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Incredible how negative some are. That’s Chilwell’s first average game for England but a fair few now say he isn’t good enough...one game!

Henderson is clearly excellent. 

Other top nations often have only okay results in qualifiers and then reach finals or win the thing. No need to be so negative. We have an excellent squad 

Not sure what point you are making here 

Thats right , winning tournaments is the general idea

In qualifiers we should be building a system and side

I don’t see that - The outstanding Sterling and our individual quality across a front three is helping to mask the problems

Southgate inept tactically 

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13 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Incredible how negative some are. That’s Chilwell’s first average game for England but a fair few now say he isn’t good enough...one game!

Henderson is clearly excellent. 

Other top nations often have only okay results in qualifiers and then reach finals or win the thing. No need to be so negative. We have an excellent squad 

Well said re Chilwell. He was excellent in Rijeka and Seville as England took 4 points from the Croatia / Spain away double header (one of the hardest possible introductions to international football). 

A couple of dodgy moments tonight and all of a sudden he’s getting pelters from all angles. 

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1 hour ago, Cowshed said:

If the central midfield could have passed to each other as easily England would have not have been ran close by a team ranked below the Faroe Islands.

Kosovo’s world ranking is artificially low, in part as they haven’t been around for particularly long. Before tonight they were on the longest unbeaten run (15 games) of any European country. 

They won’t stay in 120th place or below the Faroe Islands for much longer. 

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Southgate is very limited IMHO

Would love to see what a Venables or Hoddle would have done with some of the players we have now

Limited in what way?

Hoddle was into odd spiritual stuff which ultimately cost him the job. Most players that he managed at club level disliked him with a vengeance. One said that “it’s all about Glen”......

Venables had lots of interests outside of football, lucrative interests. He was never as into the game as much as you’d expect from an England manager.

Why do you suppose we rarely see Venables on tv asa pundit?

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Entertaining , but for a team building towards a major tournament, - poor

full of holes and unable to control the game at any point 

 You’re right - and as for England .....

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11 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Hoddle was into odd spiritual stuff which ultimately cost him the job. Most players that he managed at club level disliked him with a vengeance.

How do you know that? Do tell ...

 

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47 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Incredible how negative some are. That’s Chilwell’s first average game for England but a fair few now say he isn’t good enough...one game!

Henderson is clearly excellent. 

Other top nations often have only okay results in qualifiers and then reach finals or win the thing. No need to be so negative. We have an excellent squad 

Can i have a few drags of whatever it is your smoking please? Christ.

Miles away from winning a tournament IMO. We won’t be gifted such an easy run next summer as we were last. Quarter-finals at BEST for this team. Excellent going foward at times but woeful at the back. Cant look past France again for the Euro’s next summer to be honest.

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Far more enjoyable game than Saturday - even if getting to the ground was a absolute nightmare. I liked the fact Kosovo actually tried to play football and were far better than some of the international teams I've seen recently. 

Possibly the weirdest match I've ever seen though. 1 down after 37 seconds, 5-1 up at half time yet still time wasting come the final whistle 😂

Atmosphere was a lot better than Wembley (smaller ground obviously helps). As others have pointed out, getting to Southampton was a nightmare due to roadworks and road closures so no real surprise there were empty seats at kick off. Plus the food/drink facilities were poor/limited so huge queues there too. 

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1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Does anybody remember this match?

England had to win by I forget how many goals to qualify for the finals and then this happened...

England conceded a goal inside the opening minute of an international match for the first time since November 1993, when San Marino’s Davide Gualtieri did so.

 
Jonathan Pearce's radio commentary of that fateful moment: “Welcome to Bologna on Capital Gold for England versus San Marino with Tennent’s Pilsner, brewed with Czechoslovakian yeast for that extra Pilsner taste... and England are one down.” You have to laugh...
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2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Southgate is very limited IMHO

Would love to see what a Venables or Hoddle would have done with some of the players we have now

Considering venables had the likes of Neville, Ince, Gazza, Shearer, Sheringham and Fowler to work with, whilst hoddle had some similar players with the likes of Beckham, Scholes and Ferdinand. Neither manages to get us to where Southgate did last year however...

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