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Afobe Out For Season (confirmed)

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5 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

They should if they go asking for it. I don't imagine the boss of BET365 (who likely knows) will have rushed to inform all and sundry. In the grand scheme its largely irrelevant to their market. 

That’s good enough for me , I am going to go back into hope mode again , I couldn’t handle the despair 😬

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I’ve just put a tenner on him to be first scorer,have I wasted my money?

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11 minutes ago, Coppello said:

I'm stunned that anyone would genuinely believe that's not injured. Given that it is widely reported in the media, it's obvious that there is something in it. City aren't reporting on it to keep the opponent guessing. Don't bother getting your hopes up.

Out of interest, what type of insurance do clubs have over players?  Do they have injury insurance?

1 minute ago, NOTBLUE said:

I’ve just put a tenner on him to be first scorer,have I wasted my money?

Not if he doesn’t play!

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5 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said:

I’ve just put a tenner on him to be first scorer,have I wasted my money?

Only if he doesn't score. 

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Out of interest, what type of insurance do clubs have over players?  Do they have injury insurance?

Not if he doesn’t play!

Not sure in all cases, but the recent Michael Owen saga revealed that Newcastle didn't want him to return from injury as the insurance was paying his wages. Allegedly. 

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On 19/09/2019 at 10:14, ChippenhamRed said:

Inescapable feeling, have to agree.

I felt we were odds-on for top six. Now I feel the chance dips below 50/50, but I would love to be proven wrong. I really felt Afobe was the difference.

Can’t remember an injury leaving me as deflated as this before.

 I couldn't agree more. I have had a lump on us to finish in the top 10 and also top 6 although one never counts the chickens this is a massive blow for us.

After the start we have made I was absolutely convinced he was the 20+ goal per year Striker we have been yearning  to add to our current crop.

People are saying that we didn't have him last year so why would we miss him but you have to take into account injuries and form of our current strikers and it could make a massive difference to our prospects this season.

I have also heard some random stories/rumours regarding this injury news  swinging wildly from he has done his ACL to the fact it is also a ruse to disrupt Swansea's preparations! 😲 Go figure

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52 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

This could go down as the biggest hoax since the signing of Carl Heggs (happy memories, Rob!)

Wait my source was impeccable.

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I live in hope that LJ is not on best terms with some in the media. He's seen this story come from nowhere and thinks "the longer I say nothing the more egg on face they'll all have when the truth is outed." 

Bristol Post are treating the injury as fact and most of their articles on the subject will make them look like unprofessional losers if he's OK. 

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1 hour ago, maxjak said:

I understand why, as it's a normal human instinct to want to hope. But I am truly incredulous at the amount of self denial and doubt on this subject.  How else does one formulate a fact, other than by using research and information to ascertain the truth? Rather than blinkered opinion?  If people would take the time to explore the internet and some of the reputable sites on it, then there can only be one conclusion......... Benik unfortunately has suffered a major injury, and will not play again this season. Glib insults and sad ridicule won't change the truth?   I wish him all the best in his future.

Go and do some actual research then. Something the main two journalists haven't appeared to have done. 

It started doing the rounds on Twitter on Wednesday evening after @bcfcmitch posted that he'd done his ACL. This was shortly after 10pm. About half hour later he deleted this tweet but the story continued.

The next morning, The Post, who had spent half the Summer publishing any tenuous link on Twitter as transfer fact, published a story that he was suspected to have a season ending ACL injury and 30mins later, once in the wild, Peter O'Rourke did similar quoting his "source close to the club" (Gregor?). On Thursday evening the original poster on twitter announced it was a hoax and he couldn't believe how many people fell for it. I have tweeted Gregor 4 times since he took on his role at the Post, he has only failed to reply once. Funnily enough that one time was yesterday when I sent him a screenshot of the originator's admission and asked for his comment on that. 

 

He isn't injured. 

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I wonder what the club make of all this, internally.

Either a key player being injured for the season has leaked out ahead of time, alerting Swansea and indeed the rest of the League but especially Swansea so they can plan accordingly, or it's one big hoax. Presumably Swansea will be factoring in 2 possibilities tactically which could help.

OTOH if it is the latter, the social media dept at least might well be pissing themselves- unsure on the other departments however.

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2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Thanks for reply and I was interested as you have reasons for your views

it’s not a dig at you but I struggle to identify ,  what ‘his game’ is

i hope you are right about a partnership but I’m not convinced ,

Personally I’ve seen little evidence of him forming partnerships  - Some may say Bobby Reid but I thought Reid was the important key there

 

No forming a partnership has probably been his biggest problem. What I always think of is how high lines were in France and him timing those runs and getting quite a few one on ones much like Diony. His lack of pace really stands out because there is less space for him to run in behind imo. 

So no I am not convinced a partnership will work either but think he would be better if he can make one work if that makes sense. If I am being honest he doesn’t and hasn’t ever really fit our style. Maybe a bit with Reid but generally think teams didn’t fear us as much his first season and defenders were a bit higher. Think teams now try to soak up pressure against us especially at home and Fam struggles in that game. 

I am most interested in him pairing Semenyo. Semenyo weirdly is more physical and comfortable receiving the ball under pressure and has really good vision and weight of pass. Think he is the best partner for Fam which also makes it tough because he is probably furthest from playing loads. I’d have been interested in seeing him play with a Wilbraham as well. 

All in all no he doesn’t really fit but I personally take a bit of offence when people just slate him non stop. He has a poor touch, a not so great conversion rate and isn’t particularly quick but he always puts in a shift. For me that is enough. It is the clubs failing not finding a way to get more out of him imo. 

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2 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Go and do some actual research then. Something the main two journalists haven't appeared to have done. 

It started doing the rounds on Twitter on Wednesday evening after @bcfcmitch posted that he'd done his ACL. This was shortly after 10pm. About half hour later he deleted this tweet but the story continued.

The next morning, The Post, who had spent half the Summer publishing any tenuous link on Twitter as transfer fact, published a story that he was suspected to have a season ending ACL injury and 30mins later, once in the wild, Peter O'Rourke did similar quoting his "source close to the club" (Gregor?). On Thursday evening the original poster on twitter announced it was a hoax and he couldn't believe how many people fell for it. I have tweeted Gregor 4 times since he took on his role at the Post, he has only failed to reply once. Funnily enough that one time was yesterday when I sent him a screenshot of the originator's admission and asked for his comment on that. 

 

He isn't injured. 

As much as i want you to be right - I was reading things on facebook, before 10pm

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2 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Go and do some actual research then. Something the main two journalists haven't appeared to have done. 

It started doing the rounds on Twitter on Wednesday evening after @bcfcmitch posted that he'd done his ACL. This was shortly after 10pm. About half hour later he deleted this tweet but the story continued.

The next morning, The Post, who had spent half the Summer publishing any tenuous link on Twitter as transfer fact, published a story that he was suspected to have a season ending ACL injury and 30mins later, once in the wild, Peter O'Rourke did similar quoting his "source close to the club" (Gregor?). On Thursday evening the original poster on twitter announced it was a hoax and he couldn't believe how many people fell for it. I have tweeted Gregor 4 times since he took on his role at the Post, he has only failed to reply once. Funnily enough that one time was yesterday when I sent him a screenshot of the originator's admission and asked for his comment on that. 

 

He isn't injured. 

Why are people so determined to talk in absolute terms when there is very obviously uncertainty and doubt?

You don’t know for certain that he isn’t injured. Those claiming for certain that he is don’t know either.

Why not accept and acknowledge that none of us know for certain? It could be a hoax, it could be real. Right now that’s all we can say. There is no prize for being the person who calls it right.

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2 minutes ago, Riaz said:

As much as i want you to be right - I was reading things on facebook, before 10pm

Yep - ER original post (see start date of this topic) was an around 9pm

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7 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Go and do some actual research then. Something the main two journalists haven't appeared to have done. 

It started doing the rounds on Twitter on Wednesday evening after @bcfcmitch posted that he'd done his ACL. This was shortly after 10pm. About half hour later he deleted this tweet but the story continued.

The next morning, The Post, who had spent half the Summer publishing any tenuous link on Twitter as transfer fact, published a story that he was suspected to have a season ending ACL injury and 30mins later, once in the wild, Peter O'Rourke did similar quoting his "source close to the club" (Gregor?). On Thursday evening the original poster on twitter announced it was a hoax and he couldn't believe how many people fell for it. I have tweeted Gregor 4 times since he took on his role at the Post, he has only failed to reply once. Funnily enough that one time was yesterday when I sent him a screenshot of the originator's admission and asked for his comment on that. 

 

He isn't injured. 

Are you stating that bcfcMitch was on the wind-up and, by deduction, he isn't injured, or you know he isn't injured?

They're not quite the same. 

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1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said:

Are you stating that bcfcMitch was on the wind-up and, by deduction, he isn't injured, or you know he isn't injured?

They're not quite the same. 

Worth mentioning, unless I am reading the wrong tweet, BCFCMitch didn't actually admit to starting it as a hoax. He actually apologised for tweeting it, claiming he had seen Benik Afobe and he was not actually injured. Based on that, if he is hoaxing anyone, it is by claiming Benik Afobe is not actually injured, not by claiming he was in the first place.

Increasingly I think it would be odder if this was true and the club had not confirmed it than if it was a rumour and the club had not denied it. I've no idea which it is, obviously. but I'm starting to think it surprising the club would not have said anything by now. I know teams want to catch their opponents out but teams don't tend to employ gamesmanship on injuries that serious...

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19 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Go and do some actual research then. Something the main two journalists haven't appeared to have done. 

It started doing the rounds on Twitter on Wednesday evening after @bcfcmitch posted that he'd done his ACL. This was shortly after 10pm. About half hour later he deleted this tweet but the story continued.

The next morning, The Post, who had spent half the Summer publishing any tenuous link on Twitter as transfer fact, published a story that he was suspected to have a season ending ACL injury and 30mins later, once in the wild, Peter O'Rourke did similar quoting his "source close to the club" (Gregor?). On Thursday evening the original poster on twitter announced it was a hoax and he couldn't believe how many people fell for it. I have tweeted Gregor 4 times since he took on his role at the Post, he has only failed to reply once. Funnily enough that one time was yesterday when I sent him a screenshot of the originator's admission and asked for his comment on that. 

 

He isn't injured. 

Gregor has been spot on all summer. If he says he's injured I'm gonna believe him 

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What I will say is that if this whole situation is an attempt at mind games by the club, whether he’s injured or fit, eight games into a season then somebody needs to ask them what planet they are living on!!!!

Given the way this place and our fanbase swings I get an uncomfortable feeling this issue will be used as a big stick to smash the club with at some point.

Only my opinion but I think somebody has lost the plot.

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17 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

No forming a partnership has probably been his biggest problem. What I always think of is how high lines were in France and him timing those runs and getting quite a few one on ones much like Diony. His lack of pace really stands out because there is less space for him to run in behind imo. 

So no I am not convinced a partnership will work either but think he would be better if he can make one work if that makes sense. If I am being honest he doesn’t and hasn’t ever really fit our style. Maybe a bit with Reid but generally think teams didn’t fear us as much his first season and defenders were a bit higher. Think teams now try to soak up pressure against us especially at home and Fam struggles in that game. 

I am most interested in him pairing Semenyo. Semenyo weirdly is more physical and comfortable receiving the ball under pressure and has really good vision and weight of pass. Think he is the best partner for Fam which also makes it tough because he is probably furthest from playing loads. I’d have been interested in seeing him play with a Wilbraham as well. 

All in all no he doesn’t really fit but I personally take a bit of offence when people just slate him non stop. He has a poor touch, a not so great conversion rate and isn’t particularly quick but he always puts in a shift. For me that is enough. It is the clubs failing not finding a way to get more out of him imo. 

Good post Joe

Semenyo has some real ability but when I’ve seen him is a bit static 

That may make him more , or less , suited to pairing with FD - Not really sure

AW is on a completely different frequency to FD !

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14 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Are you stating that bcfcMitch was on the wind-up and, by deduction, he isn't injured, or you know he isn't injured?

They're not quite the same. 

 

10 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

 

Worth mentioning, unless I am reading the wrong tweet, BCFCMitch didn't actually admit to starting it as a hoax. He actually apologised for tweeting it, claiming he had seen Benik Afobe and he was not actually injured. Based on that, if he is hoaxing anyone, it is by claiming Benik Afobe is not actually injured, not by claiming he was in the first place.

Increasingly I think it would be odder if this was true and the club had not confirmed it than if it was a rumour and the club had not denied it. I've no idea which it is, obviously. but I'm starting to think it surprising the club would not have said anything by now. I know teams want to catch their opponents out but teams don't tend to employ gamesmanship on injuries that serious...

Unless I’ve missed a bit shouldn’t we just ignore this Mitch twitter Clown completely ?

May as well ask my postman what they think - about as accurate as ‘Mitch’ 

Or have I missed a bit ?

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1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

What I will say that if this whole situation is an attempt at mind games by the club, whether he’s injured or fit, eight games into a season then somebody needs to ask them what planet they are living on!!!!

Given the way this place and our fanbase swings I get an uncomfortable feeling this issue will be used as a big stick to smash the club with at some point.

Only my opinion but I think somebody has lost the plot.

Well I've certainly lost the plot on this one.

I've been up and down like a whores drawers - he's injured, no he's not, yes he is, maybe, maybe not.

Brilliant example of the internet and media spiralling and gaining momentum regardless of true or not.

As I said earlier, a hell of a lot of people with very red faces if it turns out to be bullshit :yes:

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3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

Unless I’ve missed a bit shouldn’t we just ignore this Mitch twitter Clown completely ?

May as well ask my postman what they think - about as accurate as ‘Mitch’ 

Or have I missed a bit ?

:comando:

Christ knows. I'd never bloody heard of him until this whole thing started. This might genuinely be a time where it is silly to believe anything until either the club make an official statement or Afobe appears on the team sheet on Saturday...

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4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What I will say that if this whole situation is an attempt at mind games by the club, whether he’s injured or fit, eight games into a season then somebody needs to ask them what planet they are living on!!!!

Given the way this place and our fanbase swings I get an uncomfortable feeling this issue will be used as a big stick to smash the club with at some point.

Only my opinion but I think somebody has lost the plot.

If it is true, then it may be a contractual issue that is holding up any statement.

if it is not true, why on earth would the club have to make a statement or in fact do anything? If not making a statement on a baseless rumour is subsequently seen as playing mind games, then so be it

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1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

Christ knows. I'd never bloody heard of him until this whole thing started. This might genuinely be a time where it is silly to believe anything until either the club make an official statement or Afobe appears on the team sheet on Saturday...

Which is what @Robbored has been banging on about throughout this thread...

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11 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What I will say is that if this whole situation is an attempt at mind games by the club, whether he’s injured or fit, eight games into a season then somebody needs to ask them what planet they are living on!!!!

Given the way this place and our fanbase swings I get an uncomfortable feeling this issue will be used as a big stick to smash the club with at some point.

Only my opinion but I think somebody has lost the plot.

But if he is not injured, why would the club come out and say so, it doesn't benefit us in any way, and if Swansea have any belief in the rumour, then they will have to train and set up for two different scenarios. If he is injured, then we find out on Saturday, but we may as well make Swansea have to think about and plan for both. It gives us a bit of an advantage.

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2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Christ knows. I'd never bloody heard of him until this whole thing started. This might genuinely be a time where it is silly to believe anything until either the club make an official statement or Afobe appears on the team sheet on Saturday...

I did hear a whisper that it was a bit of a cover up by the club and in fact Benik had actually eloped with Kasey’s wife and his car keys 

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33 minutes ago, Olé said:

Wait my source was impeccable.

I read that as impeachable :) 

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I think as some others have said, being a loan signing, both clubs must be getting independent reports on injury to look at liabilities, legal issues and implications to what happens to remainder of the loan. Does he go back to Stoke or stay with City, who is liable for remainder of loan contract, insurance details, etc.

Whatever the outcome, got to get behind whoever replaces him. Without doubt it would be a huge blow if this rumour is true, but far too early to say the season is over.

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4 minutes ago, asfred said:

But if he is not injured, why would the club come and say so. Doesn't benefit us in any way, and if Swansea have any belief in the rumour, then they will have to train and set up for two different scenarios. If he is injured, then we find out on Saturday, but we may as well make Swansea have to think about and plan for both. It gives us a bit of an advantage.

Possibly because it would set a precedent on every other rumour that gets started afterwards.

We’ll all be saying, they told us the truth Re Afobe, why haven’t they done it this time.

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34 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Go and do some actual research then. Something the main two journalists haven't appeared to have done. 

It started doing the rounds on Twitter on Wednesday evening after @bcfcmitch posted that he'd done his ACL. This was shortly after 10pm. About half hour later he deleted this tweet but the story continued.

The next morning, The Post, who had spent half the Summer publishing any tenuous link on Twitter as transfer fact, published a story that he was suspected to have a season ending ACL injury and 30mins later, once in the wild, Peter O'Rourke did similar quoting his "source close to the club" (Gregor?). On Thursday evening the original poster on twitter announced it was a hoax and he couldn't believe how many people fell for it. I have tweeted Gregor 4 times since he took on his role at the Post, he has only failed to reply once. Funnily enough that one time was yesterday when I sent him a screenshot of the originator's admission and asked for his comment on that. 

 

He isn't injured. 

I am of the same opinion as you mate.

SURELY the club would have announced something by now, even if the full extent of the injury is not revealed.

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If he is injured and if it’s an ACL rupture for the 3rd time then it would potentially be career threatening.  I’d expect that the priority would be therefore be supporting Afobe through a pretty devastating time and not making rushed statements to appease city fans.  This might be really bad for our season but it could be much much worse for Afobe personally.  

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1 minute ago, TinMan's left peg said:

If he is injured and if it’s an ACL rupture for the 3rd time then it would potentially be career threatening.  I’d expect that the priority would be therefore be supporting Afobe through a pretty devastating time and not making rushed statements to appease city fans.  This might be really bad for our season but it could be much much worse for Afobe personally.  

Very true, if true.

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5 minutes ago, asfred said:

But if he is not injured, why would the club come out and say so, it doesn't benefit us in any way, and if Swansea have any belief in the rumour, then they will have to train and set up for two different scenarios. If he is injured, then we find out on Saturday, but we may as well make Swansea have to think about and plan for both. It gives us a bit of an advantage.

A lot of people saying this and I understand the argument. But let’s say the lad is fit and plays and Swansea smash us 3-0...........rightly or wrongly, you know what’s its going to be like!!

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24 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

A lot of people saying this and I understand the argument. But let’s say the lad is fit and plays and Swansea smash us 3-0...........rightly or wrongly, you know what’s its going to be like!!

Whats it going to be like?

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1 hour ago, RedEyez said:

I've done lots of research on religion in my time and i have come to the conclusion that its a load of rubbish

Is that a fact? No. It's my opinion.

You belter.

I'm happy to call it a fact.. 

26 minutes ago, ray savino said:

I think as some others have said, being a loan signing, both clubs must be getting independent reports on injury to look at liabilities, legal issues and implications to what happens to remainder of the loan. Does he go back to Stoke or stay with City, who is liable for remainder of loan contract, insurance details, etc.

Whatever the outcome, got to get behind whoever replaces him. Without doubt it would be a huge blow if this rumour is true, but far too early to say the season is over.

Even if that's the case, there would be no harm in saying 'he has a knee injury'. Every other loan injury has been casually publicly discussed. Why not this one?

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2 hours ago, wood_red said:

And this is exactly why I have put him on ignore (shame you cannot ignore all the quoted posts as well) - the only time I have ever done it to anyone on here. The bloke is a fooking troll and just wants to create friction and argument, because he obviously has nothing better to do with his time.

SAD AS **** FOR A SO CALLED GROWN MAN, posts are more like that of a 13 year old child.

Handy for grooming...

 

 

Runs joke through bad taste filter . Posts anyway.

 

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2 hours ago, maxjak said:

Ah| Personal insults...the last resort of the desperate 🤓

You haven't provided anything to give us any reason to believe you over anyone else and when asked you have not only refused to provide any (and that's all that's been asked really) and instead have derided people yourself.

What evidence do you have?

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Out of interest, what type of insurance do clubs have over players?  Do they have injury insurance?

Some do but the premiums are so high that it's rarely worth it. I know that clubs occasionally take out a policy for specific periods, ie if the player is involved for an international tournament, they may enter into it for that period. The club I work for do not have any for individual players at the moment. 

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38 minutes ago, TinMan's left peg said:

If he is injured and if it’s an ACL rupture for the 3rd time then it would potentially be career threatening.  I’d expect that the priority would be therefore be supporting Afobe through a pretty devastating time and not making rushed statements to appease city fans.  This might be really bad for our season but it could be much much worse for Afobe personally.  

Indeed. But that is all the more reason why I think the club would say something. I don't mean a lengthy statement but, a brief tweet wishing him well or a clip of some of his goals or something. The club have put quite a lot of stuff on Twitter over the last couple of days and it potentially looks a little insensitive to make no reference to him at all when rumours are flying around.

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58 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What I will say is that if this whole situation is an attempt at mind games by the club, whether he’s injured or fit, eight games into a season then somebody needs to ask them what planet they are living on!!!!

Given the way this place and our fanbase swings I get an uncomfortable feeling this issue will be used as a big stick to smash the club with at some point.

Only my opinion but I think somebody has lost the plot.

I suppose the other side of that is that so many people will be responding to, let alone reading/clicking on our Twitter handle- the engagement stats will be through the roof!

If this is the case though, then it would seem a very short term and perhaps risky game to play though- big stick against the club sounds right.

Since the news broke, had a quick look and not in depth, looks like @BristolCity has been tagged/quoted/tweeted 90 times with the word "Afobe". Unsure how it compares? The engagement stats, the search stats should be pushed up by it though IMO.

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12 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

If he’s fit and we get beat you’ll find out.

Are you suggesting that all this speculation is somehow affecting the squad? Why should it? They all know the truth one way or another.

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