City fans 1-0 West Midlands Police

[CotswoldRed]

27 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

That was worth waiting for. 

There are none so blind... 

[Northern Red]

19 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

Shameless.

[Mr Popodopolous]

38 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

Errrrrr!!!?!?

1.  Why make the initial offer to settle out of court when the cards are somewhat stacked in your favour, if you are so confident? Why delay and obfuscate so that it takes nearly 4 years to reach this stage?
2.  This may have some deeper legal arguments than this mere case and certainly the argument that it could undermine an ability to police football in the future given that the goodwill of the bulk is a necessity is a worthwhile wider discussion point- wouldn't be inconceivable to rule in favour of the fans in a court though, why would it- are the police above the law?
3. The goodwill is important but unfortunately past conduct has impaired this- rightly or wrongly, the police and indeed in various cases certain types of stewards and club safety officers have made a bit of a rod for their own back in this regard. The rest is a wider debate and many are good but they should be called out when in the wrong- see point one, Police aren't above the law, nor should they be treated as such- football or otherwise.
4. Bravery and integrity- doing the right thing. Also though had Julie H not, could that have led to legal repercussions in the other way?
5. Wider debate but yes and no- rod for own back will do that though- mud can and will stick.
6. Wider debate.
7. Undoubtedly there are issues but this is not so relevant to this debate.
8. Red herring.

Nice praise to plus acknowledgement of the fans for them being vindicated in that post.

[Pieman]

35 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

Having recently sat through a recruitment drive/presentation by Sue Mountstevens and reading your comments on this forum, I am reassured in the direction our police force is heading as people with your attitude are no longer welcome.

[1bristolcity]

Indeed Blind... I never did condone the actions of the Police, my post was regarding the general ill feeling towards the Police which is the crux of societies woe's. That is the most worrying aspect in this whole affair. Of course I would suspect the WMP felt they could not win, and wished to settle.

To repeat my thoughts are very much on the bigger picture regarding public disorder regarding booze of which football historically suffers more than any other sport. With that in mind it might be prudent to consider not drinking before attending such a potentially volatile fixture?

If that does not concur with some, then you need perhaps to look at the problems booze is having on society, and how it stretches the Emergency Services. 

 

[Galway Red]

50 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

It's a shame there isn't an apology in your statement, nothing wrong with eating a slice of humble pie

[phantom]

9 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

To repeat my thoughts are very much on the bigger picture regarding public disorder regarding booze of which football historically suffers more than any other sport.

I am afraid that line is absolute nonsense

Perhaps you should go to some top flight Rugby or Cricket?

[Tin Soldier]

1 hour ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

 You are a nasty piece of xxxxx. Some of the crap you have posted on this is just rediculous. Still no apology.

Call yourself a City fan

[CotswoldRed]

21 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

Indeed Blind... I never did condone the actions of the Police, my post was regarding the general ill feeling towards the Police which is the crux of societies woe's. That is the most worrying aspect in this whole affair. Of course I would suspect the WMP felt they could not win, and wished to settle.

To repeat my thoughts are very much on the bigger picture regarding public disorder regarding booze of which football historically suffers more than any other sport. With that in mind it might be prudent to consider not drinking before attending such a potentially volatile fixture?

If that does not concur with some, then you need perhaps to look at the problems booze is having on society, and how it stretches the Emergency Services. 

 

What I feel is being lost in this whole affair is the very role and purpose of the police here. The idea that they've settled out of court to limit the impact to themselves says they serve themselves and not justice itself. 

The correct outcome should always have been the truth. If that meant some officers were punished then that's what the police should have been striving for. 

For them to seek anything else is a miscarriage of public service if nothing else. Its a wholly unsatisfactory conclusion for me and it should not be considered that everything is now OK. Its no different to a criminal saying they won't do it again and leaving it there. 

[BobBobSuperBob]

28 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

 You are a nasty piece of xxxxx. Some of the crap you have posted on this is just rediculous. Still no apology.

Call yourself a City fan

Not a chance mate 

A sofa dwelling Sag entrenched in the 50s  

[JulieH]

1 hour ago, 1bristolcity said:

Indeed Blind... I never did condone the actions of the Police, my post was regarding the general ill feeling towards the Police which is the crux of societies woe's. That is the most worrying aspect in this whole affair. Of course I would suspect the WMP felt they could not win, and wished to settle.

To repeat my thoughts are very much on the bigger picture regarding public disorder regarding booze of which football historically suffers more than any other sport. With that in mind it might be prudent to consider not drinking before attending such a potentially volatile fixture?

If that does not concur with some, then you need perhaps to look at the problems booze is having on society, and how it stretches the Emergency Services. 

 

What a shame that there is no apology on here for the fans that you intimated were at fault? 

and still you continue to do that by referring to alcohol consumption and the issues it cause for police/ emergency services.

let me be the first to say as a witness who was present Alcohol was not involved in this incident.

 

 

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, GasDestroyer said:

 You are a nasty piece of xxxxx. Some of the crap you have posted on this is just rediculous. Still no apology.

Call yourself a City fan

Whilst I agree your sentiments, spelling ridiculous with an ‘e’ instead of an ‘i’ is...well.....ridiculous...........

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

I am afraid that line is absolute nonsense

Perhaps you should go to some top flight Rugby or Cricket?

Or of course horse racing - the sport of kings so they say.....

The person is a troll.

[1bristolcity]

29 minutes ago, JulieH said:

What a shame that there is no apology on here for the fans that you intimated were at fault? 

and still you continue to do that by referring to alcohol consumption and the issues it cause for police/ emergency services.

let me be the first to say as a witness who was present Alcohol was not involved in this incident.

 

 

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

[CotswoldRed]

51 minutes ago, JulieH said:

What a shame that there is no apology on here for the fans that you intimated were at fault? 

and still you continue to do that by referring to alcohol consumption and the issues it cause for police/ emergency services.

let me be the first to say as a witness who was present Alcohol was not involved in this incident.

 

 

Well said. 

Alcohol is a separate issue. I'll agree that the treatment of the police is abhorrent by many who've had too much to drink (even none at all!) and that deserves its own attention in a separate thread. 

[phantom]

35 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Or of course horse racing - the sport of kings so they say.....

The person is a troll.

Blimey - I forgot the most obvious one!

[CotswoldRed]

16 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

I think the word "assumption" is largely the reason for the whole affair in the first place. 

Somewhat ironic? 

[BCFC Rich]

32 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

 

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

You are on a thread where not one person agrees with you, where you argument has been proved wrong, where someone from the police (who you think you are defending/protecting!?) says you are wrong and was a witness, where other witnesses say you are wrong. And rather that except that you call for somone who was there and part of the police to use common sense! 

Honestly man up, say you got this wrong, apologies, use your own advice, use some common sense. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

http://fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/bristol-city-fans-significant-victory-over-police-misuse-of-power

Dunno if anyone has posted it but good to see a piece on it by the FSF.

@1bristolcity you in particular may want to read it and carefully.

PS to come back to your post that the court would almost certainly have ruled in favour of WMP. I have serious doubt about that- and the facts reflect this.

Note the following:

Quote

The Birmingham incident was not the first time supporters have challenged these types of police powers. Legal precedent was set in 2017 when two Wrexham fans successfully challenged police orders preventing them attending their away fixture at Grimsby Town and forcing them to return to Wrexham. The pair were awarded compensation.

I think the fans- costs of pursuing such a case notwithstanding, would have actually had a reasonable chance of a win in Court personally. The cost however is/was prohibitive.

[JulieH]

38 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

There are assumptions in your comments that are simply not true.

a group of 10 fans were incorrectly treated as football risk supporters , it appears to me you still seem to have issues with grasping what witnesses are saying and making massive assumptions regarding their behaviour and state of sobriety .

football fans regularly stay in pubs until 14.20 before a game for many reasons, I don’t see how this is relevant or a poor choice ?? 

There was no escort offered to the ground by a and s officers. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 minutes ago, JulieH said:

There are assumptions in your comments that are simply not true.

a group of 10 fans were incorrectly treated as football risk supporters , it appears to me you still seem to have issues with grasping what witnesses are saying and making massive assumptions regarding their behaviour and state of sobriety .

football fans regularly stay in pubs until 14.20 before a game for many reasons, I don’t see how this is relevant or a poor choice ?? 

There was no escort offered to the ground by a and s officers. 

Plus depending on distance, later.

Granted away pubs are often a trek from a ground but not always so yeah, part of football culture these days that fans may well stay in a pub until not all that long before.

[RedLionLad]

8 minutes ago, JulieH said:

There are assumptions in your comments that are simply not true.

a group of 10 fans were incorrectly treated as football risk supporters , it appears to me you still seem to have issues with grasping what witnesses are saying and making massive assumptions regarding their behaviour and state of sobriety .

football fans regularly stay in pubs until 14.20 before a game for many reasons, I don’t see how this is relevant or a poor choice ?? 

There was no escort offered to the ground by a and s officers. 

You are becoming a bit of a cult hero on here....

 

Unlike the **** you are replying to.

 

 

[RedLionLad]

55 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

That’s probably the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever read on this forum.

Please get over yourself and shave off that moustache......that might stop you from talking like a ****.

[NOTBLUE]

1 hour ago, 1bristolcity said:

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

You still here

[Riaz]

F**kin hell mate. Just admit your wrong! Its okay to be wrong, we're all human!

[BobBobSuperBob]

2 hours ago, 1bristolcity said:

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

Thankfully the vast majority of the real Police Officers of recent times and of  today don’t have the tunnel visioned nauseating and bigoted views that ingrain you’re every post.

Not that you were a real Police Officer or anything like one , but you reflect from that time an establishments narrow and bigoted views  - It would appear being square bashed in the RAF and giving you a dog didn’t do you any favours.

Your attitude and pre conceived views appear to have been ably demonstrated in this very incident , by officers from WMP

................and the modern day Policing ethos of integrity ,decency , common sense , and Intelligence has been demonstrated , thankfully , by one of Avon & Somerset’s 

You claim that you merely stick up for the Police,  whereas your posts , rants , and pre conceived views do exactly the opposite

The absolutely best vindication of the Police and good policing has been demonstrated by an Avon & Somerset’s Officer in this incident , not posts that belong in the 60s 

 

* Ps  your claim that had it gone to court , WMP would likely to have  won,  beggars belief and demonstrates your complete lack of grey matter and knowledge of the law

You were a material witness were you ?

I don’t know exactly what happened that day , I wasn’t there , nor were many of us , but clearly evidence provided by our A&S officer who thankfully was on duty , and involved,  and WMP paying costs and compensation would give even a 6 year old a clue.

The fact that it’s spouted from your sofa , having not been near a football ground in decades is simply laughable

 

I don’t think you’re a troll, ...........simply an idiot

 

 

[RedLionLad]

16 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Thankfully the vast majority of the real Police Officers of recent times and of  today don’t have the tunnel visioned nauseating and bigoted views that ingrain you’re every post.

Not that you were a real Police Officer or anything like one , but you reflect from that time an establishments narrow and bigoted views  - It would appear being square bashed in the RAF and giving you a dog didn’t do you any favours.

Your attitude and pre conceived views appear to have been ably demonstrated in this very incident , by officers from WMP

................and the modern day Policing ethos of integrity ,decency , common sense , and Intelligence has been demonstrated , thankfully , by one of Avon & Somerset’s 

You claim that you merely stick up for the Police,  whereas your posts , rants , and pre conceived views do exactly the opposite

The absolutely best vindication of the Police and good policing has been demonstrated by an Avon & Somerset’s Officer in this incident , not posts that belong in the 60s 

 

* Ps  your claim that had it gone to court , WMP would likely to have  won,  beggars belief and demonstrates your complete lack of grey matter and knowledge of the law

You were a material witness were you ?

I don’t know exactly what happened that day , I wasn’t there , nor were many of us , but clearly evidence provided by our A&S officer who thankfully was on duty , and involved,  and WMP paying costs and compensation would give even a 6 year old a clue.

The fact that it’s spouted from your sofa , having not been near a football ground in decades is simply laughable

 

I don’t think you’re a troll, ...........simply an idiot

 

 

 I stopped to post exactly the same comments, but the lights changed

[Natchfever]

2 hours ago, 1bristolcity said:

The OP wrote that they were in a pub until  14.20  before the 3pm kick off ...the escort to the ground by A & S was refused, surely you, especially you might see that that was a poor choice.  I assume they were drinking alcohol, (they were in a pub), which might just might have blurred their judgement,...I think that would be a fair assumption that in this case alcohol, was involved, don't you?

I appreciate your role somewhat limits what you say on here, but as a serving police officer I would at least expect you to see some common sense.

Keep digging

[cidered abroad]

5 hours ago, 1bristolcity said:

This case was never tested in a Court of Law, perhaps if it was there might be a different outcome? It would be inconceivable if the ruling was set against WMP and would undermine their ability to police such occasions in a manner that would depend on the goodwill of majority of fans. 

The 'goodwill' of the fans to the Police is very much an issue anyway, and on here demonstrates a deep mistrust even hatred of Police, which is fueled by rhetoric by past bad experiences of foul play, and there is no (as as far as I can see) any viable reason that this should be so. It seems we have as a Nation become anti Police, and yet we are all safer for the job they undertake, and  receive no recognition of this, by football fans generally.

And even by some of their colleagues 

Of course there are always bad apples and mistakes made, as was Hillsborough and in our own experiences this event, but what I find a real worry is the attitude of many to undermine the authority Police  should have, we used to respect the uniform, but now it is a different matter.

Is it any wonder that recruitment is suffering and so many Police have problems doing there job and suffer with stress? My Grandfather was a Sgt Policeman at the Bridewell Bristol ,and he was given the respect his uniform and persona deserved , but then again he fought in the First World War, and Policed the streets of Bristol in the Second War, he would turn in his grave at Arnos Court if he could witness the present state we are in.

Many see it as a game to torment and abuse the cops, but not only Police,  all first responders are vunerable these days, from Fireman, to Ambulance crews, and even Nurses  and what is the common thread that joins all this together?

BOOZE!!

My belief is that WMP chickened out of a court hearing because they could and should have been taken to the cleaners.

British police are all employees of the people. Paid by us to uphold the laws of the country. I believe that they do a superb job in often difficult conditions and situations. But like all of us, they are subject to obeying and complying with the law.

In this instance, from what I seen in statements from the City Supporters involved, they clearly were not breaking the law or even giving any indication that they might.

Thus the heavy handed approach by WMP reminds me of the day at Walsall when the WMP launched a vicious attack on City fans shut in on the terraces with nowhere to go to escape.

I understand that the WMP may have changed the way they operate at games now and for that I welcome it.

But the WMP and SYP were noted for their actions that caused so many deaths at Hillsborough and for getting six not guilty people convicted in Birmingham.

Times have changed since the "good old days" when the local bobby boxed one's ears for misbehaving. They do a very difficult job but should always remember that respect has to be earned.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Not a chance mate 

A sofa dwelling Sag entrenched in the 50s  

or WMP