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Nagy injury (Merged)

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1 minute ago, BCFCadam said:

What I don't understand is why he played for Hungary whilst still supposedly injured?

You and LJ both. It didn't do Hungary, us or him any favours as it turned out.

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46 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You and LJ both. It didn't do Hungary, us or him any favours as it turned out.

He made the last decision of he makes the decision this time then hopefully he focuses more on getting back to full fitness.

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54 minutes ago, BCFCadam said:

What I don't understand is why he played for Hungary whilst still supposedly injured?

Because it was a big game I think and he decided he was fit. 

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2 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Because it was a big game I think and he decided he was fit. 

And supposedly we’d overseen his fitness regime ahead of that game.

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On 29/09/2019 at 13:49, BCFCadam said:

What I don't understand is why he played for Hungary whilst still supposedly injured?

He said on commentary the other day that he chose to play, I guess he wanted to represent his country despite not being fully fit. Took the risk and sadly got knocked back a few weeks

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20 minutes ago, Hunsupport said:

In today's presser Marco Rossi said that it was his totally his decision and responsibility (Rossi's) that he started him however he knew he was still injured and not 100%. He admitted that it's his fault that BCFC and LJ were mad, he's the only culprit here. He also said that Ádám is basically fully healthy now and training normally, will maybe play a part in Saturday's game and with more training he hopefully will be 100% for the Azerbaijdan game. I hope it will be that way, he can play a good 90 mins there and everybody will be happy after that. I kinda hate these internationals but admit that this wasn't as issue before as in Bologna no one really gave a s***  what he was doing on internationals or at all for that matters... So it's a new situation that everybody is so mad maybe at him as well when he just wants to be at his best for club and country.

It's a new relationship for the player, Rossi, Johnson, all the medical staff in both set ups. All parties are still learning how the others operate. If what you say about Bologna is correct then Rossi is probably learning how BCFC operate differently. Mistakes will happen in that kind of situation and I suspect ultimately the relationship will be stronger.

Thanks for the update, it's great to have a Hungarian correspondent on the forum!

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2 hours ago, Hunsupport said:

In today's presser Marco Rossi said that it was his totally his decision and responsibility (Rossi's) that he started him however he knew he was still injured and not 100%. He admitted that it's his fault that BCFC and LJ were mad, he's the only culprit here. He also said that Ádám is basically fully healthy now and training normally, will maybe play a part in Saturday's game and with more training he hopefully will be 100% for the Azerbaijdan game. I hope it will be that way, he can play a good 90 mins there and everybody will be happy after that. I kinda hate these internationals but admit that this wasn't as issue before as in Bologna no one really gave a s***  what he was doing on internationals or at all for that matters... So it's a new situation that everybody is so mad maybe at him as well when he just wants to be at his best for club and country.

Thought he was suspended for the first game?

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18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Thought he was suspended for the first game?

LJ said he might be able to play part of the Reading game on Saturday. The Azerbaijan game is the second of Hungary's fixtures as he is indeed suspended for the first.

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1 minute ago, redsquirrel said:

is he ours or a loan?

He’s ours. 

Got a two or three year contract I think.

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3 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

then cant lj have a say in whether hes fit enough?

Problem with Hungarian FA.  They want him to play despite him having an ankle problem whereas LJ doesn’t want him playing before he’s fully fit.

Nagy himself obviously wants to play for his country and City are faced with the old club v country dilemma.

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2 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

that's just wrong,city must have paid a decent wedge for him and paying him well. its risking him getting broken big time. total madness and a possible waste of money

Welcome to the big time, the managers of ManU, ManC, Real Madrid , Barce, PSG etc all agree with you

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3 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

that's just wrong,city must have paid a decent wedge for him and paying him well. its risking him getting broken big time. total madness and a possible waste of money

Club v country goes back decades. Top managers like Ferguson and Wenger used to complain vehemently about the risk of their players getting injured on international duty and Ferguson in particular refused to allow his players take part in friendlies.

The situation with Nagy is a relatively new issue at City. Until fairly recently City haven’t had that many full internationals. Now both Nagy and CoD are.

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to be fair when we bought him he was a full international so we knew what we were getting ourselves into. Its not a new concept.

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1 hour ago, Big C said:

to be fair when we bought him he was a full international so we knew what we were getting ourselves into. Its not a new concept.

We estimated that he would continue playing at international level when fit I suppose.

 

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17 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Thought he was suspended for the first game?

Obviously, they aren't aware he plays for Bristol City otherwise they would've suspended him for the second game as well!

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17 hours ago, Robbored said:

Problem with Hungarian FA.  They want him to play despite him having an ankle problem whereas LJ doesn’t want him playing before he’s fully fit.

Nagy himself obviously wants to play for his country and City are faced with the old club v country dilemma.

He is obviously a important player for Hungary and wanted to play for his country, if he played for England we would all want him to start.  

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5 minutes ago, miketh2nd said:

He is obviously a important player for Hungary and wanted to play for his country, if he played for England we would all want him to start.  

If there was an injury concern as is the case with Nagy, LJ certainly wouldn’t want him to play and I doubt many City fans would either.

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17 hours ago, Robbored said:

Problem with Hungarian FA.  They want him to play despite him having an ankle problem whereas LJ doesn’t want him playing before he’s fully fit.

Nagy himself obviously wants to play for his country and City are faced with the old club v country dilemma.

Knowing that he was not fit and playing him obviously made him worse Hungry should pay his wages at least.

 

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1 hour ago, Red said:

Knowing that he was not fit and playing him obviously made him worse Hungry should pay his wages at least.

 

We’d all agree with that but unfortunately that’s not the way it works.

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Don't pay players if they're off playing for their country. Let respective FAs pay them if they want to. 

Then we'll soon see who's happy to take time off for internationals and how much they really want it. 

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16 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

If he's deemed fit enough by the Hungarian FA he will play. Despite any frustrations LJ may feel I'd be surprised if we objected or interfered. Right or wrong it's never been the City way to deny a player an international cap. 

There is also a rule, although I'm not sure it's ever been invoked, where a national FA can prevent a player appearing for his club if he's pulled out injured from international duty and then magically recovers in time to play for his club the following weekend, having not been assessed by the FA's medical staff.

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36 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

There is also a rule, although I'm not sure it's ever been invoked, where a national FA can prevent a player appearing for his club if he's pulled out injured from international duty and then magically recovers in time to play for his club the following weekend, having not been assessed by the FA's medical staff.

It has been in the past.  Can’t remember whothough.

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40 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

There is also a rule, although I'm not sure it's ever been invoked, where a national FA can prevent a player appearing for his club if he's pulled out injured from international duty and then magically recovers in time to play for his club the following weekend, having not been assessed by the FA's medical staff.

Yes it has.

Remember when Sakho played for West Ham vs us in the FA Cup and shouldn't have played? We then lost 1-0 (Sakho goal) and West Ham got a small fine.

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6 hours ago, S.B. said:

Yes it has.

Remember when Sakho played for West Ham vs us in the FA Cup and shouldn't have played? We then lost 1-0 (Sakho goal) and West Ham got a small fine.

And Bailey Wright got a three match ban ,

 

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On 30/09/2019 at 15:53, Hunsupport said:

In today's presser Marco Rossi said that it was his totally his decision and responsibility (Rossi's) that he started him however he knew he was still injured and not 100%. He admitted that it's his fault that BCFC and LJ were mad, he's the only culprit here. He also said that Ádám is basically fully healthy now and training normally, will maybe play a part in Saturday's game and with more training he hopefully will be 100% for the Azerbaijdan game. I hope it will be that way, he can play a good 90 mins there and everybody will be happy after that. I kinda hate these internationals but admit that this wasn't as issue before as in Bologna no one really gave a s***  what he was doing on internationals or at all for that matters... So it's a new situation that everybody is so mad maybe at him as well when he just wants to be at his best for club and country.

Thanks for the information. 

This just says to me how selfish the international set up have been, so much for player welfare too. I want Nagy to not be restricted and play for his country but there's a line that's been crossed in this instance and it's already cost Nagy, City and to a lesser extent, Hungary... It could have been a lot worse too.

Rossi had admitted fault you say, has he apologised to all other parties involved and made assurances it won't happen again?

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10 hours ago, Robbored said:

If there was an injury concern as is the case with Nagy, LJ certainly wouldn’t want him to play and I doubt many City fans would either.

If he is fit enough to travel then he was always going to be in the managers plans and if nagy can help them qualify course we play . 

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Called up again by Hungary, Kalas also called up by Czech Republic, I can see LJ flipping tables if either comes back with any sort of problem.

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I just hope we see him again one day.

I always remember when we had Ivan testi ###### (the Moldovan) / he got injured very early in his career with us and never saw him again!

He was quality and although I’ve only seen Nagy against qpr I really think he’s a player.

Come back safe Adam from your travels 🤞

 

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Maybe when the EFL /Prem managers have a get together they should agree to implement in all new contracts that any players assessed as unfit by an independant physio is not allowed to be released for internationals.

If they all agreed that strategy and stuck by it if the players don’t like it would have no choice other than to move to play in a new country - and probably end up earning less. 

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1 minute ago, Red DNA said:

Maybe when the EFL /Prem managers have a get together they should agree to implement in all new contracts that any players assessed as unfit by an independant physio is not allowed to be released for internationals.

If they all agreed that strategy and stuck by it if the players don’t like it would have no choice other than to move to play in a new country - and probably end up earning less. 

As someone else said, make the national associations pay their wages / contractual terms or at least insure them against injury / illness, and then they can have a bigger say.

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23 minutes ago, Victory Park Reds said:

I just hope we see him again one day.

I always remember when we had Ivan testi ###### (the Moldovan) / he got injured very early in his career with us and never saw him again!

He was quality and although I’ve only seen Nagy against qpr I really think he’s a player.

Come back safe Adam from your travels 🤞

 

Ivan Testemitanu, what a player! He looked like Grant Mitchell from Eastenders, and played 35 times in front of our Eastenders. 

The internet says that he was signed by Pulis! I recall him being decent but I may have imagined that...

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2 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

if nagy goes again id be putting him in the reserves when he came back, would suggest hes only here for a wage and not got clubs interest as priority

Put yourself in the position of any international footballer recovering from injury - who would you prioritise - your home country or the ‘foreign’ club that pay your wages?

To most internationals it’s an open and shut case.

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Put yourself in the position of any international footballer recovering from injury - who would you prioritise - your home country or the ‘foreign’ club that pay your wages?

To most internationals it’s an open and shut case.

Sadly very true 

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Put yourself in the position of any international footballer recovering from injury - who would you prioritise - your home country or the ‘foreign’ club that pay your wages?

To most internationals it’s an open and shut case.

I suppose put like that,loyalty favours your home country even though you are contracted to a foreign club. ive got no problems with fit players going, ,it just stinks when the club just about mend him and he could go and risk getting injured again , almost like moonlighting

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On 01/10/2019 at 20:49, Rinkadink said:

Thanks for the information. 

This just says to me how selfish the international set up have been, so much for player welfare too. I want Nagy to not be restricted and play for his country but there's a line that's been crossed in this instance and it's already cost Nagy, City and to a lesser extent, Hungary... It could have been a lot worse too.

Rossi had admitted fault you say, has he apologised to all other parties involved and made assurances it won't happen again?

Rossi has probably sent LJ a letter of apology that LJ has filed along with all the apology letters from the referees assoc. regarding poor decisions.

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Apologies if covered elsewhere and if so please merge but...

Nagy signs for us ...puts in some good performances but picks up an injury which means we need to sub him 

Despite this he joins up with Hungary, plays and returns to the club injured 

He then doesn't play any minutes for us due to injury but is now joining up with the Hungary squad presumably to play !!

Call me a cynic but surely this isn't good for us ....im sure glass half full thinkers will say 'good to get some minutes under his belt ' but in truth I think we  would all be more comfortable with his return to action coming in a city shirt off the bench to build up his fitness .

 

After all ...who pays his wages!

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If its competitive games for Hungary (ie not friendlies) then we get no say, other than someone at the club talking to their manager and asking for him not to play, we can't make them do or not do anything

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1 minute ago, The Humble Realist said:

Apologies if covered elsewhere and if so please merge but...

Nagy signs for us ...puts in some good performances but picks up an injury which means we need to sub him 

Despite this he joins up with Hungary, plays and returns to the club injured 

He then doesn't play any minutes for us due to injury but is now joining up with the Hungary squad presumably to play !!

Call me a cynic but surely this isn't good for us ....im sure glass half full thinkers will say 'good to get some minutes under his belt ' but in truth I think we  would all be more comfortable with his return to action coming in a city shirt off the bench to build up his fitness .

 

After all ...who pays his wages!

Those are the rules - if he is called up he has to go unless the club and country’s medical teams agree he is unfit.

Many stories of players who were unfit having to join the national team only to be sent straight back.

Blame FIFA for trying to protect the integrity of international football.

That said it is well documented, before the rule change, club managers telling players to withdraw but then make a miraculous recovery for the clubs next game.

Sir Alex was a master of this.

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