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Sturny

Are we ready for the Prem?

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Thinking back to seasons like 17/18 where you could arguably say we came close to a chance in dream land, it got me thinking were we even ready for it with the squad we had? 

Imagine if we did go up that season with those players. Going off where the majority are now it doesn't look too peachy how it would've ended. Of course if they theoretically did pull out the performances to get us promoted then there would be more factors to consider. 

Looking at the squad now I don't get that feeling at all. I probably thought this during the 17/18 season though 😶 

Would you say since we've re-entered the champ we're tiptop ready/prepared than we've ever been? 

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Club wise - very ready.

Pitch wise - not quite but close.

Our performances and players are much more experienced and skilled. We can see out games professionally now which we never seemed to be able to do in recent seasons (the 3-3's at Derby and Sunderland at home).

Overall on a player by player basis think we are much more impressive than other seasons where we went close.

Maybe 1 or 2 super talented attackers away from being recognised as a favourite for automatics imo.

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Probably more prepared for it than Bournemouth were when they got promoted, certainly in terms of infrastructure anyway! 

I like the way that Howe trusted their champ team when starting life in the Prem and then building slowly, recruiting the right players without rushing into tearing up that squad. Think he added Josh King that Summer from Blackburn (great signing) along with Tomlin (Yes I know) and Max Gradel (didn't work out in the end). 

I'd like to think that Lee would probably start with at least 8 of our current first team next August should we make it to the Prem. We saw how Fulham went about it in completly the wrong fashion by spending over 100 million on dross, instead of putting more faith in the players that got them there. 

The counter argument to this is possibly Norwich this season, who have made hardly any changes at all, but look to be struggling already. 

This would be a great discussion to have come May 2020!!!! PLEASE....

 

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Off the pitch? Very much so.

On it. Some ways yes, signing players who are young and PL ready a good policy- yet the number of chances we can concede, the lack of possession so far, partially injury based and partially a tactical choice- makes me wonder. Hell part of me wonders whether it's even all that sustainable at this level, without even considering the PL- when injured players return, the equation will of course change.

12 minutes ago, Kingswoodactor said:

I'd like to think that Lee would probably start with at least 8 of our current first team next August should we make it to the Prem. We saw how Fulham went about it in completly the wrong fashion by spending over 100 million on dross, instead of putting more faith in the players that got them there. 

Hard to class a lot of them as dross, individually- played at good levels either in UK or Europe- but definitely a lesson to be taken, they went about it all wrong. Significantly were lacking continuity and steady growth for sure, though the departures of Fredericks and Targett especially were out of their hands, but pretty important IMO.

Bournemouth, Burnley, and so far, Sheffield United all look like models to look at I reckon.

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54 minutes ago, Kingswoodactor said:

Probably more prepared for it than Bournemouth were when they got promoted, certainly in terms of infrastructure anyway! 

I like the way that Howe trusted their champ team when starting life in the Prem and then building slowly, recruiting the right players without rushing into tearing up that squad. Think he added Josh King that Summer from Blackburn (great signing) along with Tomlin (Yes I know) and Max Gradel (didn't work out in the end). 

I'd like to think that Lee would probably start with at least 8 of our current first team next August should we make it to the Prem. We saw how Fulham went about it in completly the wrong fashion by spending over 100 million on dross, instead of putting more faith in the players that got them there. 

The counter argument to this is possibly Norwich this season, who have made hardly any changes at all, but look to be struggling already. 

This would be a great discussion to have come May 2020!!!! PLEASE....

 

Norwich went up on the basis of outscoring opposition, when you put them up against tougher defences and more clinical attackers it was always going to be tough for them. We finished 8th and conceded less goals.

I’d hope we’d approach things more like Sheff Utd have 

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7 minutes ago, BCFCinNW6 said:

I saw a tv segment about Sheffiled Utd who had to make £1m of stadium upgrades to get PL ready for things like VAR, media centres, Sky TV etc 

Really?    Do you mean HAD TO, or wanted to. Can't believe Bramhall Lane is a poorer ground than Dean Court or whatever it's called.

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1 hour ago, Kingswoodactor said:

Probably more prepared for it than Bournemouth were when they got promoted, certainly in terms of infrastructure anyway! 

I like the way that Howe trusted their champ team when starting life in the Prem and then building slowly, recruiting the right players without rushing into tearing up that squad. Think he added Josh King that Summer from Blackburn (great signing) along with Tomlin (Yes I know) and Max Gradel (didn't work out in the end). 

I'd like to think that Lee would probably start with at least 8 of our current first team next August should we make it to the Prem. We saw how Fulham went about it in completly the wrong fashion by spending over 100 million on dross, instead of putting more faith in the players that got them there. 

The counter argument to this is possibly Norwich this season, who have made hardly any changes at all, but look to be struggling already. 

This would be a great discussion to have come May 2020!!!! PLEASE....

 

Chatting to a Norwich fan and they seem to more injuries then us. One of there players from last season fell down the stairs 

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Definitely ready off the pitch and almost certainly on the pitch.

We would struggle of course but we would invest and player for player our current squad is no worse imo than Sheff Utd's one that got promoted.

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5 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

I think there's no doubt that should we get promoted we would spend a large amount, SL has wanted it for decades and he isn't just going to let the dream die when we get there. 

I think that AG would be fine in the PL tomorrow!

Upgraded training facility under way , so another tick✅

Of course we would need to invest in the squad but we would need to avoid doing a Fulham - spend wisely and expect the real possibility of relegation after one season and then re- invest again and try to get straight back up.

Got to give it a right good go in the first season but plan for the worst.

It may be a few seasons before we would be established but it can be done, we just have to expect a few low points on the journey.

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When LJ said he wants a team of prem players, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.

We want to build a young team that will keep improving all the time and are mainly prem potential, so when we get there we don't need to do a Villa or a Fulham. We will just need to add in a few areas, but not go crazy.

It is surprising how some players can cope in the prem. I actually thought some Cardiff players did well last season, and they came close to surviving. Sheffield United started excellently. Norwich only spent about a million and still beat Man City.

To get there this season we need to find a way of coping without Afobe. I feel we could have won one or two of those draws had we still had Afobe. Swansea game we clearly missed him.

We need a decent return from these next 15 games to be in a good position to then go into the transfer market. But then bringing in that striker or 2 won't be easy.

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If we got promoted we would need a right back, reserve left back, centre back, winger and two strikers I reckon to have a good enough squad to possibly survive

6 players. Would be very interesting to see what sort of budget would be put forward for transfers. 

I would hope we would buy the best from the championship so no massive wages, no transfer fees over £15m and if we did happen to go down we would be in a strong position to push for promotion again. 

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4 hours ago, Sturny said:

Thinking back to seasons like 17/18 where you could arguably say we came close to a chance in dream land, it got me thinking were we even ready for it with the squad we had? 

Imagine if we did go up that season with those players. Going off where the majority are now it doesn't look too peachy how it would've ended. Of course if they theoretically did pull out the performances to get us promoted then there would be more factors to consider. 

Looking at the squad now I don't get that feeling at all. I probably thought this during the 17/18 season though 😶 

Would you say since we've re-entered the champ we're tiptop ready/prepared than we've ever been? 

With what we have at present I don't think we would fare too well if we went up, so whilst we are improving squadwise we are still a little short of quality.

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4 hours ago, city1983 said:

what's wrong with the ptich?  i think it's a perfectly nice pitch

I was only sat there against Reading thinking to myself, what a lovely pitch to play football on. It looks like a carpet!

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4 hours ago, Kingswoodactor said:

Probably more prepared for it than Bournemouth were when they got promoted, certainly in terms of infrastructure anyway! 

I like the way that Howe trusted their champ team when starting life in the Prem and then building slowly, recruiting the right players without rushing into tearing up that squad. Think he added Josh King that Summer from Blackburn (great signing) along with Tomlin (Yes I know) and Max Gradel (didn't work out in the end). 

I'd like to think that Lee would probably start with at least 8 of our current first team next August should we make it to the Prem. We saw how Fulham went about it in completly the wrong fashion by spending over 100 million on dross, instead of putting more faith in the players that got them there. 

The counter argument to this is possibly Norwich this season, who have made hardly any changes at all, but look to be struggling already. 

This would be a great discussion to have come May 2020!!!! PLEASE....

 

Norwich have an entire first team out injured though, 2 keepers out, both fullbacks out, main CBs out, RM out for half the season etc

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17 hours ago, RedDave said:

Expect we will buy one 

If we find our 'Mitrovic' like Fulham did in Jan 2018, then I've got every hope that we can do it this season. 

Prem loan, or a bid for Marriott with Pato as part of the deal the way forward.

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The impact our injuries have had on our campaign this season so far should act as a warning. I think we have been fortunate to be in the league position we are currently after losing Afobe - in a league where any of the top 10 teams could be right up there after one game. 

The Prem is merciless and we simply wouldn’t be able to cope with injuries with the current squad. We almost need 2 first team quality squads to be able to survive up there. 

I really thought with our summer dealings that we had a realistic chance of making top 2 - then the injury curse came along and wiped out arguably our most influential players. 

Of course, there is a lot of season still left to be played and another transfer window, so anything can still happen, but to respond to the OP; not without significant investment in the squad - and I don’t mean that the current first team are crap before anyone accuses me - I mean we would need to be able to cover injuries and bans better than we currently can to have a realistic chance of staying up, if we did get there. 

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On 09/10/2019 at 12:48, BCFCinNW6 said:

I saw a tv segment about Sheffiled Utd who had to make £1m of stadium upgrades to get PL ready for things like VAR, media centres, Sky TV etc 

My God.........that means that they get £199 million instead of £200 Mill?

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On 09/10/2019 at 16:19, Loon plage said:

With what we have at present I don't think we would fare too well if we went up, so whilst we are improving squadwise we are still a little short of quality.

Players back from injury 1 or two top attackers and we could survive would be close but do able

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Surprised by the off the pitch comments. 

Firstly our training ground is under construction so that will take a while to come online and have everything integrated. 

Doubts remain about our fitness and scouting departments. 

We don't have a active SLO.

We have a small club shop, some of this year's merchandise is out of stock, we have a piss poor kit quality this year that went on sale late.

Those are just the things off the top of my head.

Off the pitch we have been a league one club playing in the Championship for the last few years. We are now pretty much a Championship club on and off of the pitch, let's not run before we can walk. We are not yet premier League football ready on and off the pitch. We are taking steps to get there but not quite there yet.

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

The impact our injuries have had on our campaign this season so far should act as a warning. I think we have been fortunate to be in the league position we are currently after losing Afobe - in a league where any of the top 10 teams could be right up there after one game. 

The Prem is merciless and we simply wouldn’t be able to cope with injuries with the current squad. We almost need 2 first team quality squads to be able to survive up there. 

I really thought with our summer dealings that we had a realistic chance of making top 2 - then the injury curse came along and wiped out arguably our most influential players. 

Of course, there is a lot of season still left to be played and another transfer window, so anything can still happen, but to respond to the OP; not without significant investment in the squad - and I don’t mean that the current first team are crap before anyone accuses me - I mean we would need to be able to cover injuries and bans better than we currently can to have a realistic chance of staying up, if we did get there. 

I'd say the Championship is more merciless than the Premier League tbh. 

Remember the Premier League has 8 less games than the Championship so much less Saturday-Tuesday games. Much longer recovery periods between games.

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On 09/10/2019 at 16:19, Loon plage said:

With what we have at present I don't think we would fare too well if we went up, so whilst we are improving squadwise we are still a little short of quality.

.Nobody knows how much we would spend on new recruits, and who they would be?  If you are talking about our present side, your probably correct. but I think our line up in the Prem would be quite a bit different to our current Championship side.

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20 minutes ago, maxjak said:

.Nobody knows how much we would spend on new recruits, and who they would be?  If you are talking about our present side, your probably correct. but I think our line up in the Prem would be quite a bit different to our current Championship side.

Probably right, so answering the OP we aren't ready for the Prem as things stand.

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Who knows? Is anyone ever ready?

My only criticism of the current regime is this appearance  that will do it ‘when we’re ready’ as of its our choice??

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As others have said, is anyone ever ready?
Fulham go up with one of the best Championship sides for ages, where I was thinking a couple of additions would keep them up, they spend £150m on a whole new team and crashed and burned. I don't think Bournemouth, Huddersfield and Watford spent massively and managed to cope. Sheff U have spent little and look like they will stay up, or at least have a chance, Villa have looked very average and have spent nearly £150m. 
Only guess work but I imagine we would try adding a bit of quality, rather than wholesale changes, and then you're relying on the scouts and recruitment team to be on top of their game. 

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I guess it doesn’t matter if the squad is or isn’t, until we claim promotion.  The current squad isn’t ready imho, but the club is, e.g. ground is fine, not burdened with debt (only to SL).  You can improve the squad with astute recruitment....but also don’t go mad either, in case you do come back down and have to “go again”.

In the main we have a youngish squad who have room to improve.  Couple that an appropriate number of upgrades and you have a chance.

But, I’ll worry more about the answer to this Q in May. 😀

 

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On 09/10/2019 at 11:47, OneTeamInBristol said:

Club wise - very ready.

Pitch wise - not quite but close.

Our performances and players are much more experienced and skilled. We can see out games professionally now which we never seemed to be able to do in recent seasons (the 3-3's at Derby and Sunderland at home).

Overall on a player by player basis think we are much more impressive than other seasons where we went close.

Maybe 1 or 2 super talented attackers away from being recognised as a favourite for automatics imo.

Other than 2008 we've never been "close"

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