Gazred Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Super said: Staggering hearing the Bulgarian manager. More of a disgrace than the fans. What a complete idiot. Absolutely. A chance to make a stand and do something positive, yet he denies everything and claims England supporters were worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Up The City! said: It sure would have sent a powerful message. Uefa would have looked like proper idiots if they didn't give us the victory. Now we have our players acting like they are heroes cos they overcame the racism and won heavily. I'm sorry but England should be winning games like that heavily and shouldn't need to be subjected to racism to encourage them to perform. I do wonder if we would have won the other night would they have walked off tonight? I think the answer is yes. What tonight showed me is that they care more about winning a game of football than taking a stand against racism. Had England of walked off the pitch and refused to play that would have sent shockwaves throughout the football world. Sorry but a few minutes break in play doesn't quite have that same effect. It was clear the Racism continued in the 2nd half, I don't buy the arguement that as it wasn't as much as the 1st half it's ok. If the officials or Uefa were not going to take action than our players should have. I'm sorry but they come away with very little dignity as they absolutely bottled it when they had the opportunity to make a stand. Bottled it big time. In the build up to this game all we heard about was our players had taken the decision to walk off, rather than talking about football. Then when it come to it then didn't do as they said they would and instead choose to let the football do the talking. Instead they choose to punish Bulgaria by beating them 6-0, which England should be doing anyways. By playing on all it did was to give these people the opportunity to continue with their behaviour, judging by all the laughing etc the people were clearly enjoying it so deny them the opportunity to do it. Uefa need to get a grip on this issue, handing out poxy fines and partial stadium closures is not good enough. If behaviour like this happens then domestic clubs and international clubs should be banned from competing in Uefa competitions, that's how you deal with it. If it happened in this country then we would already have been throw out and due to our laws many fans would be having their doors kicked in in the morning. Unless other countries adopt them same laws and enforce them then they should not be allowed to compete either. Uefa have a real chance of making a huge social change, not just in football stadiums but beyond that and they should be taking the opportunity to make that positive change. Some flimsy banners, written in English, isn't going to force that social change. Sorry, but that's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Tbh, incorrect. A little reading can go a long way on this. IF protocol followed then a game behind closed doors should definitely be next. That will stop it dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 What chance of the FA closing a stand at Chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 The Bulgarian head 0f football has been told to resign, nothing about the team coach? Is that his idea of fortress Sofia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/15/bulgaria-goalkeeper-plamen-iliev-praises-home-fans-and-says-england-players-overreacted-euro-2020 Bulgaria goalkeeper praises home fans and says England players 'overreacted' The Bulgaria goalkeeper Plamen Iliev has said the home fans “behaved well” during the Euro 2020 qualifier against England at the Vasil Levski Stadium on Monday night, suggesting that Gareth Southgate’s players “overreacted a bit”. The match, which England won 6-0, was twice halted for racist chanting but the Ludogorets goalkeeper said he had not heard anything, echoing comments made by his manager, Krasimir Balakov. “If I am honest, I believe they [the fans] behaved well today,” Iliev said. “There wasn’t any abuse [as far as I could hear] and I think they [the England players] overreacted a bit. The public was on a good level – I didn’t hear any bad language used towards their or our players.” Balakov, who had suggested before the game that England had a bigger problem with racism than Bulgaria, said after the defeat: “I personally did not hear the chanting. I saw the referee stopped the game but I also have to say the behaviour was also not only on behalf of the Bulgarian fans but also the English fans, who were whistling and shouting during the Bulgarian national anthem. During the second half they used words against our fans which I find unacceptable.” The comments by Iliev and Balakov contrasted heavily with those of the captain Ivelin Popov, who had tried to calm things during the game by speaking to some of the fans. “First, I tried to talk with the stewards who were supposed to control the situation,” the Rostov midfielder said. “We’re all suffering from that kind of behaviour. Do you think a foreign player would like to come and play in Bulgaria after what happened tonight? Racism is a world problem that needs to be eradicated. We’re all people regardless of the skin colour.” The racist chanting dominated the headlines in Bulgaria on Tuesday morning. “There’s no light! It’s been buried beneath six goals and tons of shame,” read the headline of the sports website Gong.bg, with the accompanying piece saying: “Bulgarian football and the country as a whole suffered one of the most shameful nights in its entire history – not only was the national team beaten 6-0 by England but the game was twice stopped for racist chants. A handful of fans stained not only Bulgarian football but Bulgaria as a country after racially abusing the England internationals.” Another sports website, Sportal.bg, went with “Such a shame! A historic humiliation”, while one of the most famous TV pundits in Bulgaria, Borislav Borisov, said: “Every country’s national team is an institution but on Monday night our national team was destroyed. With the way England reacted to the racial abuse they wanted to make a statement – they wanted to stand up against racism and they did it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Well they did put 6 goals against him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Sadly racism is so ingrained in certain countries your not going to change it, like twitter, people will carry on unless there's accountability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/15/bulgaria-goalkeeper-plamen-iliev-praises-home-fans-and-says-england-players-overreacted-euro-2020 Bulgaria goalkeeper praises home fans and says England players 'overreacted' The Bulgaria goalkeeper Plamen Iliev has said the home fans “behaved well” during the Euro 2020 qualifier against England at the Vasil Levski Stadium on Monday night, suggesting that Gareth Southgate’s players “overreacted a bit”. The match, which England won 6-0, was twice halted for racist chanting but the Ludogorets goalkeeper said he had not heard anything, echoing comments made by his manager, Krasimir Balakov. “If I am honest, I believe they [the fans] behaved well today,” Iliev said. “There wasn’t any abuse [as far as I could hear] and I think they [the England players] overreacted a bit. The public was on a good level – I didn’t hear any bad language used towards their or our players.” Balakov, who had suggested before the game that England had a bigger problem with racism than Bulgaria, said after the defeat: “I personally did not hear the chanting. I saw the referee stopped the game but I also have to say the behaviour was also not only on behalf of the Bulgarian fans but also the English fans, who were whistling and shouting during the Bulgarian national anthem. During the second half they used words against our fans which I find unacceptable.” The comments by Iliev and Balakov contrasted heavily with those of the captain Ivelin Popov, who had tried to calm things during the game by speaking to some of the fans. “First, I tried to talk with the stewards who were supposed to control the situation,” the Rostov midfielder said. “We’re all suffering from that kind of behaviour. Do you think a foreign player would like to come and play in Bulgaria after what happened tonight? Racism is a world problem that needs to be eradicated. We’re all people regardless of the skin colour.” The racist chanting dominated the headlines in Bulgaria on Tuesday morning. “There’s no light! It’s been buried beneath six goals and tons of shame,” read the headline of the sports website Gong.bg, with the accompanying piece saying: “Bulgarian football and the country as a whole suffered one of the most shameful nights in its entire history – not only was the national team beaten 6-0 by England but the game was twice stopped for racist chants. A handful of fans stained not only Bulgarian football but Bulgaria as a country after racially abusing the England internationals.” Another sports website, Sportal.bg, went with “Such a shame! A historic humiliation”, while one of the most famous TV pundits in Bulgaria, Borislav Borisov, said: “Every country’s national team is an institution but on Monday night our national team was destroyed. With the way England reacted to the racial abuse they wanted to make a statement – they wanted to stand up against racism and they did it.” Shall we have a game of guess who is in the pocket of the Bulgarian Mafia and who isn’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Watching last night's match am I right in thinking that all Uefa officials present at the match together with the match officials are absolved of any responsibity to initiate or enforce the protocol against racism? I can't believe that they wern't aware until Southgate pointed this out to the 4th official! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 21 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Yep, Reading at home Jan 2017 - 2-0 up after 50 odd minutes, 2-1 up with around 2 mins to go - and yep, we lost 2-3 ... Reading really did look like they were going to score with every attack in the late part of the 2nd half - wave after wave - 2-0 up at home and we lost ... Myself and my wife were there, came over for the game and couldn't believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 A couple of lads from Weston that post on here went will be good to hear what they have to say about it all unless they already have and I missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 15, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 What amazes me about these charges brought against us, you can't legislate for people interrupting a national anthem but to not have enough stewards looking within our supporters is just ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I agree the chants are racist but I don't think the callers in general are. It's more of a cry out in dispair over poor living conditions, no job, no social security and zero future. They feel left behind by their European brothers. In come the British primadonnas with their polished feathers riding on a giant prawn sandwich. Of course they look for what in their world is their weakest point and have a go. They are not stupid. You are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 15, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 23 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said: If the game is abandoned do we win by default? We'd only have been awarded the result if the referee had abandoned the game, if we'd have just walked off we would have forfeited the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: I agree the chants are racist but I don't think the callers in general are. It's more of a cry out in dispair over poor living conditions, no job, no social security and zero future. They feel left behind by their European brothers. In come the British primadonnas with their polished feathers riding on a giant prawn sandwich. Of course they look for what in their world is their weakest point and have a go. They are not stupid. You are. So, making racist comments is a cry for help? That’s a new one on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: I agree the chants are racist but I don't think the callers in general are. It's more of a cry out in dispair over poor living conditions, no job, no social security and zero future. They feel left behind by their European brothers. In come the British primadonnas with their polished feathers riding on a giant prawn sandwich. Of course they look for what in their world is their weakest point and have a go. They are not stupid. You are. Well, that's one way of looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I really dont get these idiots who boo a national anthem. Bizarre behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: I agree the chants are racist but I don't think the callers in general are. It's more of a cry out in dispair over poor living conditions, no job, no social security and zero future. They feel left behind by their European brothers. In come the British primadonnas with their polished feathers riding on a giant prawn sandwich. Of course they look for what in their world is their weakest point and have a go. They are not stupid. You are. I said something similar last night in that when you don’t really have a stake in society or feel you don’t have anything worth losing, it’s all to easy to slip. 3 minutes ago, Super said: I really dont get these idiots who boo a national anthem. Bizarre behaviour. True, but not illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Super said: I really dont get these idiots who boo a national anthem. Bizarre behaviour. Was there and sadly there was this - don’t get it. Surely both sets of fans can respect this at start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 In Hartlepool they hang a monkey not long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Thompson Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 As an old Kodjia I watch talking picture on TV. Programmes made in the 50s and 60s need an apology for the customs and attitudes of the times. Regretfully some Countries have not caught up with 21st Century attitudes. No excuses they need. Educating. FIFA and governments need to take a lead in achieving this. Right wing politics does not help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 56 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: In Hartlepool they hang a monkey not long ago. Ahh, but that monkey didn't speak English, so it might have been a German. You can see their logic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bob Thompson said: As an old Kodjia I watch talking picture on TV. Programmes made in the 50s and 60s need an apology for the customs and attitudes of the times. Regretfully some Countries have not caught up with 21st Century attitudes. No excuses they need. Educating. FIFA and governments need to take a lead in achieving this. Right wing politics does not help. Either a MOD inspired autocorrect or a wonderful use of Bristol City slang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Thompson Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Sorry, Kodjia! Kodjia is a bit quicker than me! Kodjia!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I do not condone racism let me make that clear but lets not pretend there hasn't been racism in the prem in this calendar year and although racism is much better than it used to be there are still fair few general(not sports fans) people who are very racist and proud of it too! I agree something should be done but so it should be against any other international football game this is nothing new , just like every football tournement England will have the most violent drunk fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanDimz Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Ok guys, as Bulgarian I'm ashamed and disgusted of what happened yesterday. Just want to say those morons don't represent the whole country. I fear that was well plotted, probably political interests and/or change in the power of the FA. Whatever the reason I wish the country will be banned from international competitions for good. And yes - our team is p**s poor with a clown as head coach and muppets on the pitch. The corruption is so deep in the FA for years and finally yesterday the Head office was raided by special forces for that such reason. Just giving you a glimpse of what is going on in bulgarian football and the country as a whole. Sad times, sometimes I wish I was born somewhere else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 On 14/10/2019 at 20:51, Super said: Some goal that. On 14/10/2019 at 20:52, Northern Red said: Pick that f****r out On 14/10/2019 at 20:52, Jerseybean said: Rashford, pick that out! On 14/10/2019 at 20:56, Numero Uno said: Good hard strike but I would be looking for a National League South keeper to be stopping that. It was, indeed, an excellent goal, and I thought you might appreciate this description, courtesy of Barney Ronay (Guardian). Rashford’s goal was stunning, made by a pirouette that sent Georgi Pashov over the advertisement hoarding, out of the stadium, along the dual carriageway, down on to metro line 2 and the full five stops to the Sofia museum of arts, all the while thinking to himself, vaguely, that there was something he was supposed to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Bob Thompson said: Sorry, Kodjia! Kodjia is a bit quicker than me! Kodjia!!!! @TomF the forum autocorrect strikes again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 13 hours ago, phantom said: What amazes me about these charges brought against us, you can't legislate for people interrupting a national anthem but to not have enough stewards looking within our supporters is just ridiculous Reckon there's probably but I certainly haven't read the regs, some sort of stipulation about x fans per steward- we don't really have away stewards here but with UEFA, suppose different languages in all the countries make it necessary. The relevant regs to charges in full, from the same thread. Courtesy of Martyn Ziegler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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