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..Because of reports of racism at Luton Town.

Ive no doubt that a very small minority hold deeply offensive views and opinions, but I’ll also cling onto to the hope that, with football as it is, a number of people just join in aiming to antagonise, provoke etc. (Often younger fans).

I don’t believe that those people are inherently racist, just lacking in thought and need to be brave enough to realise that it’s not hard and just not acceptable. 
 

I don’t know how, but we also need to demonstrate as a fan base overall it’s not acceptable.

Really quite disappointed this morning and I’m a miserable, moaning middle aged fan who has seen and heard it all before.
 

 

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Yes 

Ironically following Social Media and the news over the weekend it is actually the rush of outrage and posturing by our own outraged fans desperate to say so all over social media that has highlighted the incidents and  subsequent news storm and has us plastered all over the news 

 

Congratulations to all

 

 

Another new thread to set them all off again always helps  

 

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I'm of the firm opinion that there will always be a small percentage of white people who are racist, it doesn't matter where they're from, who they support, what they do etc, they are intolerant to people who are different to them.

These people are a disgusting scar on the face of humanity, but they will always exist.  Yet we always seem appalled and shocked by this.

Unfortunately, just like any other club in the land, Bristol City will also have some supporters with this warped mind-set.

Every time they rear their ugly heads, ban them and imprison them for at least 2 years.  The lesson will soon be learnt that they need to silence their hideous views - and this is the way to handle all racists, in all wakes of life.

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Yes 

Ironically following Social Media and the news over the weekend it is actually the rush of outrage and posturing by our own outraged fans desperate to say so all over social media that has highlighted the incidents and  subsequent news storm and has us plastered all over the news 

 

Congratulations to all

 

 

Could always sweep it under the carpet Bob ? 

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Who’s swept what under a carpet ?

 

Our fans fighting and queuing to be the most moral is intriguing though

Agree with the second part but clearly the issues raised by our own fans at Luton should be dealt  with head on. This will mean national media coverage. 

But agree with the moral high ground issue as they issues aren't new. 

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7 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

I'm of the firm opinion that there will always be a small percentage of white people who are racist, it doesn't matter where they're from, who they support, what they do etc, they are intolerant to people who are different to them.

These people are a disgusting scar on the face of humanity, but they will always exist.  Yet we always seem appalled and shocked by this.

Unfortunately, just like any other club in the land, Bristol City will also have some supporters with this warped mind-set.

Every time they rear their ugly heads, ban them and imprison them for at least 2 years.  The lesson will soon be learnt that they need to silence their hideous views - and this is the way to handle all racists, in all wakes of life.

I wouldn’t limit racism to skin colour.

Racial, religious and sexuality intolerance exist on every continent.

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6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Who’s swept what under a carpet ?

 

Our fans fighting and queuing to be the most moral is intriguing though

Mate, I agree with 99% of what you usually post. We both know that as humans there are a small minority whose views are awful and can’t be changed.

But hopefully really highlighting the issue might help younger fans realise that they don’t have to join in and thar it’s not acceptable.

Its not about being self righteous it’s just about trying to help people who aren’t inherently racist realise it’s not acceptable 

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8 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Agree with the second part but clearly the issues raised by our own fans at Luton should be dealt  with head on. This will mean national media coverage. 

But agree with the moral high ground issue as they issues aren't new. 

Whatever happened can be dealt with in the appropriate way

TWO sections of our fans have pushed us into the National  news and massive negative publicity , disproportionate I’d suggest to the actual incidents as I understand them 

At least three separate threads on this currently running says it all

There was and is , a willy waving competition on the main thread as to who could prove to have the best and most outraged morals and who demonstrate their political views stronger 

We are doing a fantastic job at shooting ourselves in the foot 

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5 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Mate, I agree with 99% of what you usually post. We both know that as humans there are a small minority whose views are awful and can’t be changed.

But hopefully really highlighting the issue might help younger fans realise that they don’t have to join in and thar it’s not acceptable.

Its not about being self righteous it’s just about trying to help people who aren’t inherently racist realise it’s not acceptable 

I’m not so sure 

In my life experience over reaction merely creates more of a divide and fuels the fire

Fed up with the whole issue and the reactions too

This forum has degenerated into a Political and moral dick waving contest

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Suspect it may still have made the news, because when one outlet picks up on something, it can gain traction quickly from there. This era of 24/7 media, news especially.

Plus even had it not been mentioned by any of our fans, who is to say that Luton fans wouldn't have Tweeted on it and therefore it spreads from there?

Or a local paper- either here or in Luton.

This week of all weeks too- where our (England) players suffered horrible racist abuse in Bulgaria. Our FA and even Boris Johnson getting involved in (rightly) pushing for heavy sanctions.

Well of course there will be a spotlight on the UK game too, football returning post international break in that.

One more thing- dunno if this was the first mention but a Luton fan I believe flagged it on Saturday afternoon.

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This was the original Tweet being highlighted by a City fan.

So yes, it may still have gained traction- however that user deleted their Tweet but someone on Twitter took a screenshot of it- the timing is confusing as it says 17:59 yet is posted ass if it is live and as if during the game.

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I’m not so sure 

In my life experience over reaction merely creates more of a divide and fuels the fire

Fed up with the whole issue and the reactions too

This forum has degenerated into a Political and moral dick waving contest

I agree to a point.

A couple of people have been arrested following the yeovil game. I expect  Yeovil and there fans completely back this course of action and yet some are asking for Yeovil FC to be severely punished???

In our case I just feel that you have to realise the ramifications of your actions and that you just can’t do it.

My point more is I think the majority are hangers on caught up in the tribalism of the match. I can fully envisage my 13 year old joining in for 30 seconds because everyone else around him is. He’s not racism, he’s the nicest person i know but he needs to know you shouldn’t. That’s mostly my job, but he’ll also look and see what others fans are doing

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Suspect it may still have made the news, because when one outlet picks up on something, it can gain traction quickly from there. This era of 24/7 media, news especially.

Plus even had it not been mentioned by any of our fans, who is to say that Luton fans wouldn't have Tweeted on it and therefore it spreads from there?

Or a local paper- either here or in Luton.

This week of all weeks too- where our (England) players suffered horrible racist abuse in Bulgaria. Our FA and even Boris Johnson getting involved in (rightly) pushing for heavy sanctions.

Well of course there will be a spotlight on the UK game too, football returning post international break in that.

The bottom part of your post is spot on

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34 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Yes 

Ironically following Social Media and the news over the weekend it is actually the rush of outrage and posturing by our own outraged fans desperate to say so all over social media that has highlighted the incidents and  subsequent news storm and has us plastered all over the news 

 

Congratulations to all

 

 

Another new thread to set them all off again always helps  

 

Yep..nothing to do with the racists..?‍♂️
 

We could pretend it didn’t happen if you prefer. Personally I’d rather it was highlighted and sorted. Cheers

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As someone who was there, it was not that pleasant. Not up with the Bulgaria stuff, but not what you expect to see/hear at a football match. Certainly bad timing as it’s a hot media topic right now. At the end of the day it happened, it was not acceptable, and let’s make sure it doesn’t happen again. 

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44 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Yes 

Ironically following Social Media and the news over the weekend it is actually the rush of outrage and posturing by our own outraged fans desperate to say so all over social media that has highlighted the incidents and  subsequent news storm and has us plastered all over the news 

 

Congratulations to all

 

 

Another new thread to set them all off again always helps  

 

Sorry Bob, can't agree with you in any way on this.

So we're supposed to tolerate racism and bigotry in our midst just in case it gets the club in trouble or seen in a bad light?

If anything, I think there's a positive in the fact that this is making the news as a result of City's own fans calling it out.

Unlike the Yeovil incident, where it's taken the players themselves to walk off, and their fans seem to be adopting the approach of the Bulgarian manager (which presumably is what you think we should do), in the City case it's the fact that it's the fans themselves raising the issue and calllling it out that should give us some hope. 

I don't see calling out racism as  "posturing". 

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43 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I’m not so sure 

In my life experience over reaction merely creates more of a divide and fuels the fire

Fed up with the whole issue and the reactions too

This forum has degenerated into a Political and moral dick waving contest

There is no such a thing as an ‘over reaction’ when it comes to racism. People have quite rightly stood up about some of the sick and embarrassing songs sung at Luton, if we went down your path and tried to brush it under the carpet that would just make things worse. There are so many examples in history of people just getting on with things and ‘dealing with it’ when there was an obvious injustice, nowadays though that is most definitely not the way to do it.
 

Personally I think it’s spot on that people have brought this up and the club is looking into it and hopefully any perpetrators can be dealt with accordingly

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47 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Yep..nothing to do with the racists..?‍♂️
 

We could pretend it didn’t happen if you prefer. Personally I’d rather it was highlighted and sorted. Cheers

 

32 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Sorry Bob, can't agree with you in any way on this.

So we're supposed to tolerate racism and bigotry in our midst just in case it gets the club in trouble or seen in a bad light?

If anything, I think there's a positive in the fact that this is making the news as a result of City's own fans calling it out.

Unlike the Yeovil incident, where it's taken the players themselves to walk off, and their fans seem to be adopting the approach of the Bulgarian manager (which presumably is what you think we should do), in the City case it's the fact that it's the fans themselves raising the issue and calllling it out that should give us some hope. 

I don't see calling out racism as  "posturing". 

 

16 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

There is no such a thing as an ‘over reaction’ when it comes to racism. People have quite rightly stood up about some of the sick and embarrassing songs sung at Luton, if we went down your path and tried to brush it under the carpet that would just make things worse. There are so many examples in history of people just getting on with things and ‘dealing with it’ when there was an obvious injustice, nowadays though that is most definitely not the way to do it.
 

Personally I think it’s spot on that people have brought this up and the club is looking into it and hopefully any perpetrators can be dealt with accordingly

My point is simple

If people are , as they like to express on the Internet so outraged , fine , do something about it (Not fight a queue to express their views on a Internet Forum)

How many of those , who are expressing outrage and disgust at what happened at Luton recorded the behaviour and have contacted the Club or the Police with their footage , how many have offered themselves as witnesses ?

Ranting on a forum about it is easier

 

There are plenty in this world who walk by something that is criminal or what they regard as outrageous , the courageous step forward there and then , not on the Internet 

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6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

 

My point is simple

If people are , as they like to express on the Internet so outraged , fine , do something about it (Not fight a queue to express their views on a Internet Forum)

How many of those , who are expressing outrage and disgust at what happened at Luton recorded the behaviour and have contacted the Club or the Police with their footage , how many have offered themselves as witnesses ?

Ranting on a forum about it is easier

 

There are plenty in this world who walk by something that is criminal or what they regard as outrageous , the courageous step forward there and then , not on the Internet 

The club have been made fully aware of the incidents and so there is no need for ‘witnesses’ or for anyone to get in touch with the club. 
 

In fact, I reckon officials will be reading the forum seeing what people have to say, so the fact that people are putting their views across about how disgraceful this behaviour is is only a good thing. 
 

If we did take your route and just shut up about it, push it to non football and try to forget about it, then that would be the worst form of action possible imo

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14 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

 

My point is simple

If people are , as they like to express on the Internet so outraged , fine , do something about it (Not fight a queue to express their views on a Internet Forum)

How many of those , who are expressing outrage and disgust at what happened at Luton recorded the behaviour and have contacted the Club or the Police with their footage , how many have offered themselves as witnesses ?

Ranting on a forum about it is easier

 

There are plenty in this world who walk by something that is criminal or what they regard as outrageous , the courageous step forward there and then , not on the Internet 

Bob, that was happening at the game. Look at the Luton tweet above. Look at the many comments on the other thread about people reporting things to stewards, telling others to shut up and so on.

But the fact is that we live in the social media world and that's where people go to discuss things afterwards. Personally, my only 'social media' is the relatively sane and reasonable world of OTIB, but there's plenty of less savoury places and comments and the racists should be challenged there too.

I just find it odd that your own outrage in this instance seems to be reserved for those who call out racism, not those who espouse it.

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Personally I’m glad it’s being talked about tbh, it’s been swept under the carpet too long.

The more attention this gains the more chance of the scum being driven away from being anything to with Bristol City which can only be a good thing. 

I’d rather we were known as a fan base that collectively condemns it  - even if it paints us in a negative lights - than one who silently pretend it’s not an issue. 

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I agree with you on so many things Bob - and sorry to single you out - but not this.

so...I have called out racism at Ashton Gate. Some years ago. Stood up and called out a chap who - on his own - was chanting racist abuse at a linesman. I didn't think too much about it - just did it there and then. The reaction of people around me was tutting about me making a fuss - 'ark at ee' type comments - directed at me. At half time the chap chanting (who shut up sharpish) came and sat by me and told me he couldn't be a racist because he had black mates at work. The lasting effect was that we never heard a peep from him again, but I felt uncomfortable for the rest of the season sitting with a bunch of people who felt more comfortable with racist chanting than with reporting it.

It can't be left to individuals. This is scary stuff. Puts the complaining individual at personal risk. I'm hoping the club acts. A membership scheme for away travel would address many problems.

 

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4 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

I agree with you on so many things Bob - and sorry to single you out - but not this.

so...I have called out racism at Ashton Gate. Some years ago. Stood up and called out a chap who - on his own - was chanting racist abuse at a linesman. I didn't think too much about it - just did it there and then. The reaction of people around me was tutting about me making a fuss - 'ark at ee' type comments - directed at me. At half time the chap chanting (who shut up sharpish) came and sat by me and told me he couldn't be a racist because he had black mates at work. The lasting effect was that we never heard a peep from him again, but I felt uncomfortable for the rest of the season sitting with a bunch of people who felt more comfortable with racist chanting than with reporting it.

It can't be left to individuals. This is scary stuff. Puts the complaining individual at personal risk. I'm hoping the club acts. A membership scheme for away travel would address many problems.

 

Were it to become a recurring theme, then maybe worth looking at- but I don't believe it to be proportionate at this stage. At all.

It's only right it's being called out by fans, by club- but let's not have knee jerk reactions for a single, albeit clearly offensive and unacceptable, incident.

You're right too, it can definitely put people at risk- how many years ago out of interest? Game has changed significantly in last 10, 20, 30 years.

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Were it to become a recurring theme, then maybe worth looking at- but I don't believe it to be proportionate at this stage. At all.

It's only right it's being called out by fans, by club- but let's not have knee jerk reactions for a single, albeit clearly offensive and unacceptable, incident.

You're right too, it can definitely put people at risk- how many years ago out of interest? Game has changed significantly in last 10, 20, 30 years.

less than 10 years...not so long ago sadly. Amongst the problems an away membership would solve would be the inability for regular away fans to purchase tickets...but that's another issue - to be faced again in a few minutes when Cardiff tickets go on sale!

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