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34 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

He wasn't playing as an out an out forward for Newport. I'm not convinced he is a forward.

Fair enough bit even as a wide player/wide striker he only had 2 assists. I hope he comes good but I just dont understand why he has been built up as though he is a real world beater 

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I’m certainly not writing him off, but the phrase reactive rather than proactive comes to mind when watching Semenyo. Has all the raw attributes to be a good player, but has to learn to pick his head up & see the game unfold. Best position is definitely up top for me. COYR 

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23 minutes ago, LeeJohnsonsFlatCap said:

What other homegrown players have we got that can sit on the bench then if he goes out on loan, think that is the problem.

What is the rule there exactly? Do they have to be under a certain age now, having been at the club for so many years before 21? I really can't remember what the rule is. 

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Said it before the game he's so not ready for the championship yet, he's actually regressing with every game he plays , he has not a clue where he should be on pitch, the best thing that can happen to him is loaned out to a good league 2 side where he can get some confidence back, as he looked shit to peaces list night,

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I hate knocking young players but winsaw above has summed it .

Our three senior coaches were either defenders or defensive midfielders.We never saw an improvement in Marty Taylor (injuries I know).Perhaps a striking coach could be an option in the future? 

After all we have a dedicated goalkeeping coach.In American sports they seem to have coaches for everything even orange peeling!

I hope the young man does off the mark soon but he is well off the pace at the moment.

Anyhow 4th in league with all our injuries- can’t really complain

coyr and ftg

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Do we think that recalling him from Newport did much for his development? 

Can't say I'm convinced it did. That stage of a career feels crucial to a players development to me.

Understand why it was done,  the Chelsea interest bur surely stability and consistency- so staying with Newport until May- would've done him more good perhaps!

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5 hours ago, marmite said:

I watched him closely for the first 45 mins last night and he genuinely didn't seem to know his position. He kept looking at the bench for instructions as whether to chase back, find space, challenge, stand off or whatever.  I'm  sure he has what it takes but he appears to be a confidence player and atm he is lacking. His wild shot from distance with team mates better placed screamed of a player just praying for something to go right. He improved prior to coming off but maybe that was after ht instructions from the coaches. He will improve in time but it may not be with us. Fam being out for 3 games leaves LJ with some interesting decision making.

In an otherwise dreary first half, I took some time out to watch him specifically from the Dolman last night.

It's fair to say that his reading/understanding & movement during the game is nowhere near championship standard at present. He dorsnt look like scoring; and looks to me like a midfielder who is trying to find how to become a striker without any understanding of the role.

He may have the raw ingredients of a player. But at present, he is miles off where he needs to be. If he didn't need to be in the 18(as an academy grown player) I can't imagine he would be in the matchday squad. If Max, was still around as the 2nd keeper, then that would allay the necessity.

Not sure what's gone wrong with him this season, after all the hype. But at the moment he's presenting like another Marvin Brown/Tristan Plummer esqe young footballer. Lots of promise, without ever anything to show for it

 

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3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

What is the rule there exactly? Do they have to be under a certain age now, having been at the club for so many years before 21? I really can't remember what the rule is. 

Only really Bakinson I think, that qualifies due to the age we got him from Luton.

It's fair to say, he's miles away from the 1st team; so we're stuck with Antoine for the time being.

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On 23/10/2019 at 23:14, RedRobin96 said:

Out on loan.

In all seriousness, he’s young and has a lot to learn. Currently not cutting it at this level and looks way out of his depth.

When he plays he has no movement, no aggression and appears to have a lack of desire.... to do anything.

Rodri looked ten times the player Semenyo did when he came on. Semenyo showed glimpses of what he is capable of but just not doing it to the levels expected.. in my opinion.

A loan in January would be best for him to gain some confidence and get some minutes under his belt.

The red card last season has sent him backwards , any natural aggression and desire has or is being coached out of him dur to that red card , im afraid hes one lj has got massively wrong by putting him in to soon. Hope im wrong but i cant ever see him cutting it at city.

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1 hour ago, bengalcub said:

The red card last season has sent him backwards , any natural aggression and desire has or is being coached out of him dur to that red card , im afraid hes one lj has got massively wrong by putting him in to soon. Hope im wrong but i cant ever see him cutting it at city.

The kid is 19, even if he goes on loan the next two seasons he is still a considerably young player. To say he will likely never cut it based on what we’ve seen already is ridiculous. Bar Sessegnon a couple of years ago,how many teenagers do you see in this league scoring regularly? And how many teenagers do you see being trusted up front?  

It is clear the talent there but there is still a lot to learn. What is good is that he has the physical attributes and the things such as movement and positioning he will be able to learn over time.

LJ to make a beeline for Ian Wright to come in and work with him on it? ?

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1 hour ago, marcofisher said:

The kid is 19, even if he goes on loan the next two seasons he is still a considerably young player. To say he will likely never cut it based on what we’ve seen already is ridiculous. Bar Sessegnon a couple of years ago,how many teenagers do you see in this league scoring regularly? And how many teenagers do you see being trusted up front?  

 

Arron Connolly at Brighton is good and seems right up for it whereas Semenyo just doesn’t do it for me at the moment. 

Time will tell and I hope he fulfils all the hype because that’s all it is judging by what I’ve seen. 

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2 hours ago, bengalcub said:

The red card last season has sent him backwards , any natural aggression and desire has or is being coached out of him dur to that red card , im afraid hes one lj has got massively wrong by putting him in to soon. Hope im wrong but i cant ever see him cutting it at city.

I said in another thread that his reputation was based on what people had seen him do on loan, where he showed a lot of flair. At the moment he seems too cautious, so that he is avoiding taking any risks. He is tending to take one touch and lay it off, which is keeping possession but posing little threat. Forwards need to risk losing the ball sometimes in order to challenge the defence. I’m hoping he is not being coached to be too safe, and starts to run with the ball more often.

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15 hours ago, JonDolman said:

What is the rule there exactly? Do they have to be under a certain age now, having been at the club for so many years before 21? I really can't remember what the rule is. 

 

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"English Football League clubs will have to name at least one "club-developed" player in their matchday squads from the start of the 2018-19 season.

A club-developed player is defined as one who has been registered to the club for at least a year before the end of his under-19 season."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39517843

 

No age limit, so Reid or Bryan would count if they were still here. Sure I saw on here that it means Massengo would meet the criteria next season.

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6 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

 

No age limit, so Reid or Bryan would count if they were still here. Sure I saw on here that it means Massengo would meet the criteria next season.

Great. So Morrell will if we recall him

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20 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

 

No age limit, so Reid or Bryan would count if they were still here. Sure I saw on here that it means Massengo would meet the criteria next season.

Yes, was me that said it!

14 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Great. So Morrell will if we recall him

Yes.  Think any recall would only happen if either a) Korey doesn’t come back in any semblance of his former self or b) Antoine goes out on loan.

Whilst Semenyo not quite justifying a place in the starting line-up, I have no qualms about him being on the bench.  He does give us an option.  Otherwise we are currently talking about Bakinson as a sub, who looks to have fallen off a cliff-edge.  Other than him, you’re talking bringing an academy guy up....Pearson, Soady?

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18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, was me that said it!

Yes.  Think any recall would only happen if either a) Korey doesn’t come back in any semblance of his former self or b) Antoine goes out on loan.

Whilst Semenyo not quite justifying a place in the starting line-up, I have no qualms about him being on the bench.  He does give us an option.  Otherwise we are currently talking about Bakinson as a sub, who looks to have fallen off a cliff-edge.  Other than him, you’re talking bringing an academy guy up....Pearson, Soady?

I had a feeling it was but couldn't be certain!

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46 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I said in another thread that his reputation was based on what people had seen him do on loan, where he showed a lot of flair. At the moment he seems too cautious, so that he is avoiding taking any risks. He is tending to take one touch and lay it off, which is keeping possession but posing little threat. Forwards need to risk losing the ball sometimes in order to challenge the defence. I’m hoping he is not being coached to be too safe, and starts to run with the ball more often.

Don't think the AG crowd help much at times.

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20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, was me that said it!

Yes.  Think any recall would only happen if either a) Korey doesn’t come back in any semblance of his former self or b) Antoine goes out on loan.

Whilst Semenyo not quite justifying a place in the starting line-up, I have no qualms about him being on the bench.  He does give us an option.  Otherwise we are currently talking about Bakinson as a sub, who looks to have fallen off a cliff-edge.  Other than him, you’re talking bringing an academy guy up....Pearson, Soady?

Bakinson looked so poor in a 23s game. Looked like Towler was the better player in that game. Doesn't appear to be much close that we currently have, as I guess they would be out on loan if they were. Pearson on loan at Bath, though we can recall him.

5 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Don't think the AG crowd help much at times.

Yep. No coincidence he has looked better in away games.

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30 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Bakinson looked so poor in a 23s game. Looked like Towler was the better player in that game. Doesn't appear to be much close that we currently have, as I guess they would be out on loan if they were. Pearson on loan at Bath, though we can recall him.

Yep. No coincidence he has looked better in away games.

Semenyo has not been the same player since his harsh sending off against Derby before that he chased everything and never gave up. Now he is cautious and unsure ? give him time and he will man up 

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18 hours ago, JonDolman said:

What is the rule there exactly? Do they have to be under a certain age now, having been at the club for so many years before 21? I really can't remember what the rule is. 

I think morrell would be best option unless we recall either max or Jojo. Think massengo May count next year as he’s so young 

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The rule is they’ve got to here for at least 12 months prior to the end of their u19 season.  It’s really badly written in the EFL Rules.

If we take Massengo, he’s 18, so currently in his u19 season.  He’s not been here a year, so doesn’t count this season.

However, next season 20/21 (which starts at the end of the transfer window in Aug 2020 and ends in May 2021) he will have been here a year (joined 5th Aug) having completed his u19 season in 19/20.  That bit is poorly worded, but it is the same reason why Bakinson is qualified as club developed, in that he was 18 when he joined on deadline day that season.

I think it would be better if they said “at the end of the summer transfer window after a player hits 19, has he been at the club for at least 12 months”.  I think that is what they infer, but it is worded as if it means end of season before, which is May...when Massengo wouldn’t have been here 12 months, but nor would any other 18 year old joining a club.

 

 

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1 hour ago, LeeJohnsonsFlatCap said:

I think morrell would be best option unless we recall either max or Jojo. Think massengo May count next year as he’s so young 

There is no point though if Korey is back fit, Brownhill, Massengo, If Nagy gets back fit and Rowe too. He won't be needed on the bench. But let's say two of them struggle to come back by January then yes definitely. 

With Semenyo i really do believe that LJ can see what he does in training and he just can't quite do it yet in a game. LJ seems to make a lot of decisions based on what he sees on training. He kept Fam and Rodri out the side last game. He must have something about him to keep them out.

I get the criticism of his first half performance. But people saying they can't work out what's so good about him, the point I've been making is on a good day we can see what he can do, so it's not even a question of is he quick enough, strong enough, technically good enough. It is can he do it when it matters - on match day.

In recent home games - no. But I really did think he was decent second half with his contribution before being subbed. Not amazing, but he was growing in confidence.

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We don’t have to have a club trained player in the squad we just have to name 6 subs if we don’t. Not a massive deal but yes may as well have Semenyo on the bench in this case but no need to recall anyone for the sake of filling our bench. 
 

I am not sure a loan helps him as a striker. He doesn’t know how to play there so even on loan he’d be liable to be dropped or put wide. He needs some specialist training or something otherwise he is a wide player for his career. Could really use a Wilbraham type to show him the ropes. Imagine Afobe was helpful too but as of now not sure he has much guidance. 

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