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Semenyo?

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1 minute ago, Spoons said:

What's his best position? 

Must be good in training but I'm seriously struggling to see the potential in him? 

Out on loan.

In all seriousness, he’s young and has a lot to learn. Currently not cutting it at this level and looks way out of his depth.

When he plays he has no movement, no aggression and appears to have a lack of desire.... to do anything.

Rodri looked ten times the player Semenyo did when he came on. Semenyo showed glimpses of what he is capable of but just not doing it to the levels expected.. in my opinion.

A loan in January would be best for him to gain some confidence and get some minutes under his belt.

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2 minutes ago, Spoons said:

What's his best position?

Interesting you should ask that, as I was thinking the same during the game. I don't think he's an out and out forward, and didn't he play a sort of left midfield at Newport?

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1 minute ago, RedDave said:

Would like to see him wide right in a 4-3-3

I'd say left in a 433 personally, Eliasson seems favoured down the right

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17 minutes ago, RedRobin96 said:

Out on loan.

In all seriousness, he’s young and has a lot to learn. Currently not cutting it at this level and looks way out of his depth.

When he plays he has no movement, no aggression and appears to have a lack of desire.... to do anything.

Rodri looked ten times the player Semenyo did when he came on. Semenyo showed glimpses of what he is capable of but just not doing it to the levels expected.. in my opinion.

A loan in January would be best for him to gain some confidence and get some minutes under his belt.

Yes Eisa must have been crap ?

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Interesting that he looked very good on his own up top second half before being subbed. Probably best position is left wing but in time it will be up top. Not sure yet whether that's as a 9 or 10. 

I don't think it's hard to see his potential. He's the strongest 19 year old I've ever seen. Is quick, got a good touch. Wins some headers against big championship defenders. Shoots very powerfully with either foot.

I mean bloody hell Chelsea and Everton wanted to sign him. Leciester players were bouncing off of him last season. But he struggles at times at championship level when other very good 19 year old prospects go to places like Torquay to learn. And only get their chance with us about 4 years later.

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I’ve no idea why LJ is starting him - out of his depth currently. 

Shame for the lad as clearly did well at Newport. Needs to go out on loan in league one but cant sadly. 

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3 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Interesting that he looked very good on his own up top second half before being subbed. Probably best position is left wing but in time it will be up top. Not sure yet whether that's as a 9 or 10. 

I don't think it's hard to see his potential. He's the strongest 19 year old I've ever seen. Is quick, got a good touch. Wins some headers against big championship defenders. Shoots very powerfully with either foot.

I mean bloody hell Chelsea and Everton wanted to sign him. Leciester players were bouncing off of him last season. But he struggles at times at championship level when other very good 19 year old prospects go to places like Torquay to learn. And only get their chance with us about 4 years later.

I'll have a pint of whatever you been drinking, cause it must be strong!

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Thought he did ok tonight.  Flashes of good stuff.  Poor service in first half.  Needs to improve his movement, when to show, when to spin.  He did that second half, and helped us look much better.

All good experience.  He’s probably not quite ready, but I think fair play to him...and to LJ for giving him a chance.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Thought he did ok tonight.  Flashes of good stuff.  Poor service in first half.  Needs to improve his movement, when to show, when to spin.  He did that second half, and helped us look much better.

All good experience.  He’s probably not quite ready, but I think fair play to him...and to LJ for giving him a chance.

? Can't for the life of me see what you are seeing. A spectator at best.

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26 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

? Can't for the life of me see what you are seeing. A spectator at best.

Opinions.

I think you have to take some account of the overall team performance first half, which was pretty ordinary

In his 54 minutes I’d say he played  a part in most of our brighter passages of play.

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He was better than in his last appearance, but it's still a 5/10 from me. And I'm quite generous.

Can't jump, is quite lead-footed - not slow, but just slow reaction times to get running; never quite got into the positions required; can't hold the ball up and his one attempt at a shot was a total embarrassment of a miskick.

Played one great crossfield pass in the second half.

Don't really want him to be starting for us again.

Can anyone seriously argue that at this precise moment in time, he's better for us than Taylor would've been?

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Think he's a young player who needs minutes he could of had them on loan but we need homegrown players for match days. I imagine LJ intended to use him at the end of games we were winning when there would be less pressure but Afobe being out has meant he's playing more and sometimes from the start. 

I think he's not quite ready but he'll be good in time and that's what he needs at the moment he is having to do that in the first team. He's only 19 look at how Moore and Elliason have come on. 

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4 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Interesting that he looked very good on his own up top second half before being subbed. Probably best position is left wing but in time it will be up top. Not sure yet whether that's as a 9 or 10. 

I don't think it's hard to see his potential. He's the strongest 19 year old I've ever seen. Is quick, got a good touch. Wins some headers against big championship defenders. Shoots very powerfully with either foot.

I mean bloody hell Chelsea and Everton wanted to sign him. Leciester players were bouncing off of him last season. But he struggles at times at championship level when other very good 19 year old prospects go to places like Torquay to learn. And only get their chance with us about 4 years later.

All very true. At Newport when the national media  and pundits  were drooling over him and his performances , he was playing wide and deep, not  as front man.  He is not effective as a striker.....yet.

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Clearly needs a loan spell to give him some experience and much needed confidence. I thought he did ok as a youngster learning the game. Yes he gave some silly fouls away and his decision making was poor (shooting from 30 yards when he he had 3 runners ahead of him in good positions) but he will improve and could be a decent CF in a couple of years time.

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I think he lacks a little football intelligence. A couple of times he held the ball up well, dropped it off and when it went wide to Eliasson/Pereira they only had Weimann to aim for in the box as Semenyo was trundling 20 yards behind.

Loan to a League One club would be ideal but unlikely unless Morrell is recalled in January?

The lad needs a bit of luck; a goal off his backside. His confidence would shoot then.

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I’ve read a lot of positive stuff about him and if you listen to some he’s destined for the champions league. On what I’ve seen of him so far I’d rather have Wes Burns. 

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Clearly a talented boy but needs to learn how to use his body properly.

The cameo from Rodri offered a good example - the way he gets his arse into defenders when holding it up, the way he invites the foul when there’s no option near him, the way he always attacks the ball on the front foot, be it running on to it or coming short.

I’m sure he’s learning a bucketload at the moment but there’s not enough to his game to warrant starting... yet.

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9 hours ago, RedRobin96 said:

appears to have a lack of desire

And IF a club see's fit to offer him a loan he's Gona at least need to appear interested.

Obviously suffering because of the lack of coaching before being "discovered" by us...and falling way way below the curve.

From day one have never seen the much quoted 'potential' in this bloke - whatever his next step,, wherever his footballing story takes him I really think we ain't doing him any favours right now -  

Or ourselves.

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For everyone saying how well he did at Newport, what is the evidence of this? As far as I can see he scored 3 goals in 21 games so hardly tore it up. Yes he looked great in the Leicester game but many players over the years have had great games in cup games but that doesn't make them great players.

I'm not knocking him and realise he is young but I just don't understand the hype about him.

Also is the Chelsea talk any more than paper talk? Looking at a player who had a good cup game but on further evidence didn't think he was good enough? Or genuine interest? 

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I watched him closely for the first 45 mins last night and he genuinely didn't seem to know his position. He kept looking at the bench for instructions as whether to chase back, find space, challenge, stand off or whatever.  I'm  sure he has what it takes but he appears to be a confidence player and atm he is lacking. His wild shot from distance with team mates better placed screamed of a player just praying for something to go right. He improved prior to coming off but maybe that was after ht instructions from the coaches. He will improve in time but it may not be with us. Fam being out for 3 games leaves LJ with some interesting decision making.

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9 hours ago, Littlesh*t said:

For everyone saying how well he did at Newport, what is the evidence of this? As far as I can see he scored 3 goals in 21 games so hardly tore it up. Yes he looked great in the Leicester game but many players over the years have had great games in cup games but that doesn't make them great players.

He wasn't playing as an out an out forward for Newport. I'm not convinced he is a forward.

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One word might sum things up: pressure. There are many extremely talented players who can't handle big crowds and the pressure of the higher levels. It's one thing being brilliant in training or doing your tricks and flicks in the lower leagues, but stepping up is too much for some. Others can't even handle the small crowds. It's a shame, but it's pretty much a form of (big) stage fright, in my opinion.

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17 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

One word might sum things up: pressure. There are many extremely talented players who can't handle big crowds and the pressure of the higher levels. It's one thing being brilliant in training or doing your tricks and flicks in the lower leagues, but stepping up is too much for some. Others can't even handle the small crowds. It's a shame, but it's pretty much a form of (big) stage fright, in my opinion.

Yet he was man of the match vs Leicester last season in front of millions?

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4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yet he was man of the match vs Leicester last season in front of millions?

I take your point. It was at Rodney Parade, but certainly a big TV audience. The mind 'tis a funny thing though. The thing is, I've watched a lot of his game time at Newport several times and he really does not have a strikers instinct, being utterly flat footed. Stick him wide and it seems he is a different player who likes a one and one and has neat feet to beat a man. The trouble is, we are seemingly banking on him weighing in with goals in a central role. That just won't happen from what I've seen: so far. Instead of putting Weimann wide on 28 mins last night, Johnson perhaps should have put Semenyo wide and free him up to turn a player or 2 and get in behind. That might of made him puff his chest out a bit and want to get more involved.

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34 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

He wasn't playing as an out an out forward for Newport. I'm not convinced he is a forward.

Fair enough bit even as a wide player/wide striker he only had 2 assists. I hope he comes good but I just dont understand why he has been built up as though he is a real world beater 

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I’m certainly not writing him off, but the phrase reactive rather than proactive comes to mind when watching Semenyo. Has all the raw attributes to be a good player, but has to learn to pick his head up & see the game unfold. Best position is definitely up top for me. COYR 

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6 minutes ago, LeeJohnsonsFlatCap said:

What other homegrown players have we got that can sit on the bench then if he goes out on loan, think that is the problem.

Given our current midfield issues, presuming it's possible I'd suggest recalling Morrell in January. 

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23 minutes ago, LeeJohnsonsFlatCap said:

What other homegrown players have we got that can sit on the bench then if he goes out on loan, think that is the problem.

What is the rule there exactly? Do they have to be under a certain age now, having been at the club for so many years before 21? I really can't remember what the rule is. 

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Said it before the game he's so not ready for the championship yet, he's actually regressing with every game he plays , he has not a clue where he should be on pitch, the best thing that can happen to him is loaned out to a good league 2 side where he can get some confidence back, as he looked shit to peaces list night,

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I hate knocking young players but winsaw above has summed it .

Our three senior coaches were either defenders or defensive midfielders.We never saw an improvement in Marty Taylor (injuries I know).Perhaps a striking coach could be an option in the future? 

After all we have a dedicated goalkeeping coach.In American sports they seem to have coaches for everything even orange peeling!

I hope the young man does off the mark soon but he is well off the pace at the moment.

Anyhow 4th in league with all our injuries- can’t really complain

coyr and ftg

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Do we think that recalling him from Newport did much for his development? 

Can't say I'm convinced it did. That stage of a career feels crucial to a players development to me.

Understand why it was done,  the Chelsea interest bur surely stability and consistency- so staying with Newport until May- would've done him more good perhaps!

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3 hours ago, Shtanley said:

A bit like Preston (a) his best spell was the 5-10 minutes before being taken off. 

 

I thought the same - he and the team were just getting on top at the time he was subbed. 

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5 hours ago, marmite said:

I watched him closely for the first 45 mins last night and he genuinely didn't seem to know his position. He kept looking at the bench for instructions as whether to chase back, find space, challenge, stand off or whatever.  I'm  sure he has what it takes but he appears to be a confidence player and atm he is lacking. His wild shot from distance with team mates better placed screamed of a player just praying for something to go right. He improved prior to coming off but maybe that was after ht instructions from the coaches. He will improve in time but it may not be with us. Fam being out for 3 games leaves LJ with some interesting decision making.

In an otherwise dreary first half, I took some time out to watch him specifically from the Dolman last night.

It's fair to say that his reading/understanding & movement during the game is nowhere near championship standard at present. He dorsnt look like scoring; and looks to me like a midfielder who is trying to find how to become a striker without any understanding of the role.

He may have the raw ingredients of a player. But at present, he is miles off where he needs to be. If he didn't need to be in the 18(as an academy grown player) I can't imagine he would be in the matchday squad. If Max, was still around as the 2nd keeper, then that would allay the necessity.

Not sure what's gone wrong with him this season, after all the hype. But at the moment he's presenting like another Marvin Brown/Tristan Plummer esqe young footballer. Lots of promise, without ever anything to show for it

 

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3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

What is the rule there exactly? Do they have to be under a certain age now, having been at the club for so many years before 21? I really can't remember what the rule is. 

Only really Bakinson I think, that qualifies due to the age we got him from Luton.

It's fair to say, he's miles away from the 1st team; so we're stuck with Antoine for the time being.

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On 23/10/2019 at 23:14, RedRobin96 said:

Out on loan.

In all seriousness, he’s young and has a lot to learn. Currently not cutting it at this level and looks way out of his depth.

When he plays he has no movement, no aggression and appears to have a lack of desire.... to do anything.

Rodri looked ten times the player Semenyo did when he came on. Semenyo showed glimpses of what he is capable of but just not doing it to the levels expected.. in my opinion.

A loan in January would be best for him to gain some confidence and get some minutes under his belt.

The red card last season has sent him backwards , any natural aggression and desire has or is being coached out of him dur to that red card , im afraid hes one lj has got massively wrong by putting him in to soon. Hope im wrong but i cant ever see him cutting it at city.

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1 hour ago, bengalcub said:

The red card last season has sent him backwards , any natural aggression and desire has or is being coached out of him dur to that red card , im afraid hes one lj has got massively wrong by putting him in to soon. Hope im wrong but i cant ever see him cutting it at city.

The kid is 19, even if he goes on loan the next two seasons he is still a considerably young player. To say he will likely never cut it based on what we’ve seen already is ridiculous. Bar Sessegnon a couple of years ago,how many teenagers do you see in this league scoring regularly? And how many teenagers do you see being trusted up front?  

It is clear the talent there but there is still a lot to learn. What is good is that he has the physical attributes and the things such as movement and positioning he will be able to learn over time.

LJ to make a beeline for Ian Wright to come in and work with him on it? 🤔

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1 hour ago, marcofisher said:

The kid is 19, even if he goes on loan the next two seasons he is still a considerably young player. To say he will likely never cut it based on what we’ve seen already is ridiculous. Bar Sessegnon a couple of years ago,how many teenagers do you see in this league scoring regularly? And how many teenagers do you see being trusted up front?  

 

Arron Connolly at Brighton is good and seems right up for it whereas Semenyo just doesn’t do it for me at the moment. 

Time will tell and I hope he fulfils all the hype because that’s all it is judging by what I’ve seen. 

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2 hours ago, bengalcub said:

The red card last season has sent him backwards , any natural aggression and desire has or is being coached out of him dur to that red card , im afraid hes one lj has got massively wrong by putting him in to soon. Hope im wrong but i cant ever see him cutting it at city.

I said in another thread that his reputation was based on what people had seen him do on loan, where he showed a lot of flair. At the moment he seems too cautious, so that he is avoiding taking any risks. He is tending to take one touch and lay it off, which is keeping possession but posing little threat. Forwards need to risk losing the ball sometimes in order to challenge the defence. I’m hoping he is not being coached to be too safe, and starts to run with the ball more often.

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