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Silvio Dante

It’s definitely a red...so what happens next three games?

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In his post match interview, LJ indicated they’d have a look at Fams sending off to see whether to appeal. Having seen it on Quest - don’t bother. I don’t think there is that much bad intent, but he kicks out three times with someone on the floor. It’s a red, pure and simple - we shouldn’t appeal.

So, that brings us to the next three.

As we know, Afobes out. Fams now out. Semenyo, to me, looked not really at it tonight. This leaves our forward options as Rodri and Weimann in practical terms for the following games:

Wigan (H)

Barnsley (A)

Cardiff (A)

So, what do we do? Fam out may be a blessing v Cardiff as it will force us not to go long, but on the three games, what do we do up front? 1? 2?

Personally, I think LJ can have confidence in Moore in a 4 now so I think that will drag us to 4 at the back vs Wigan. I see it as Rodri with a fluid five behind (Weimann, Palmer, Brownhill, O’Dowda, Massengo - although I think tonight indicates he needs a rest), but anyone got other thoughts in view of our personnel limitations?

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On the red button, with no replays I wondered why it was a red but having seen the replays clearly was. Where's nagy? We need him back to give massengo a breather. Think eliasson is our biggest threat and credit to palmer when he came on. Not sure how to fit 5 in midfield at the moment.

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2 minutes ago, ExiledRobin said:

On the red button, with no replays I wondered why it was a red but having seen the replays clearly was. Where's nagy? We need him back to give massengo a breather. Think eliasson is our biggest threat and credit to palmer when he came on. Not sure how to fit 5 in midfield at the moment.

Nagy has a major problem according to reports. Crap news. Needs another op on the foot, it seems

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I’d probably go 433 or 4411 without Fam.

It worked well with Paterson and Bobby together a couple seasons ago. Maybe Palmer and Weimann would form a similar partnership in a similar formation?
 

Something like this...

                             Bentley

Pedro          Moore       Williams       Rowe

Eliasson  Brownhill    Massengo   O’Dowda

                        Palmer/Rodri

                            Weimann

 

433:

                          Bentley

Pedro      Moore         Williams         Rowe

      Brownhill                 O’Dowda/Massengo

                         Palmer 
Eliasson                                  Rodri

                       Weimann 

 

Szmodics could even play a big part in the next 3 games.

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I was convinced from section a4 of LS that Fam had stamped down on their player.  Having seen it back, it was a series of kicks, and a red.  No point appealing.

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Depends on the formation but for me look better defensively with a back 3 of baker moore and williams . Then i think its either rodri weimann front two nd palmer behind or palmer given a AM role behind Weimann

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From the way it looked from my position at the time, Fam was kicking out more at the player rather than the ball but having seen the tv replays all his kicks are aimed at the ball, not the player & if Diedhiou had actually connected with the player, does anyone truly believe Pearce would of got up off the floor instead of rolling around for 2 minutes? Because Pearce isn’t down for any length of time at all, so that would suggest that Diedhiou hasn’t actually connected with him that badly!

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May be silly but with Kalas due back, why not play Taylor Moore in a defensive midfield role? Needs must I suppose. He can certainly play there a la Webster.

TM is finally looking some player to be fair to him.

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Only 3 games. Rodri, Weimann and Semenyo should be able to cover us and get us through. We may also see Szmodics get some minutes. May all mean some slightly odd formations, maybe a 3511 or a 451 here and there but I think we'll be fine.

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Semenyo was having his best spell in the game just before he was taken off so maybe he can still play a part. Just needs a goal as he looks desperately short of confidence. Clearly he must be showing up well in training for LJ to be giving him the nod over others. I'm not going to give up on him just yet. I'd play Andi and Rodders up top on Sunday though on tonight's showing with the option of Semenyo coming off the bench.

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When you consider we're missing most of our first choice defence, have barely any fit / available strikers and our midfield is hit by multiple long term injuries, we're doing pretty well aren't we?

We're going to have some squad when they're all fit! 

 

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55 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

The forgotten man Watkins.... was successful with Barnsley as a striker.  Might be a case of needs must . AS looks totally out of it to be honest. 

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4 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I'd try o dowda up front. Good finisher and speedy, crap at everything else so why not? 

Is he a good finisher though? When does he actually finish anything? But when you are down to barebones stranger things do happen.

I can see Marley getting the nod and paired with Rodri, a surprise combo which might just come good. We had the ‘accidental’ pairing of Weimann and Taylor when Diedhiou missed six games through the spitting ban and that wasn’t too shabby

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5 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I'd try o dowda up front. Good finisher and speedy, crap at everything else so why not? 

Did you see him second half when moved central? Outstanding. I think it's clear now he struggles on the left wing, especially without someone as good as Dasilva behind him. For me he can play numerous positions, most of which he is better at than left wing.

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Whilst we are down to the bare bones optionwise I agree it's time we give Watkins a go in place of Semenyo against Wigan. 

As much as I want Semenyo to succeed he is just not bringing much to our game at the mo - Wigan tend to have some big guys at the back and I think he would struggle again to make an impact.

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6 hours ago, Alex_BCFC said:

It would be a joke if we appealed that. 

Watching the replay, Fam was trying to free the ball from under the guy who was lying on it by kicking it free. It looked as if Fam was sticking the boot in to the bloke which is why it all kicked off......

 Fam was too aggressive in his attempts to free the ball and unless there is a different camara angle I can’t see the red being overturned.

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7 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Nagy has a major problem according to reports. Crap news. Needs another op on the foot, it seems

If it doesn’t clear up in the ten day period post injection that they’ve given him. That’s what happens when players do not have the sense to stay away from International squads when obviously unfit. If he needs an op we can write him off for the season and we will need to pay again to replace him. No wonder the management are so pissed off with that situation,

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7 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Nagy has a major problem according to reports. Crap news. Needs another op on the foot, it seems

Got a link? 

Still no updates on the OS.

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7 hours ago, Riaz said:

Never a red. He’s trying to kick the ball. Which is what he’s supposed to do.

I thought I was the only one who thought that too based on every other comment I've seen.

Their guy is sat on the ball which should be a foul, Fam had two little kicks but doesn't have eyes in the back of his head to see the lino waving his flag for a soft/questionable foul and then the third is either at the same time or a fraction of a second after the ref blows his whistle.

The last kick was aimed at the ball and a result of what the charlton player was doing, didn't look particulalry dangerious or over the top. The ref and linesman have been fooled by an over the top reaction from the charlton players, if they don't react like that its never going to be shown as a red.

I'd appeal it. The game was still live as the whistle hadn't gone and if the charlton player was on his feet the way fam went in wouldn't have been a foul, so why should a player sitting on the ball make it a red instantly. He's not kicked him randomly or well after the whistle has gone.

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The good thing is that other than Cardiff the games aren't against "worldbeater" teams. I wouldn't start Semenyo but rather give Rodni a run out against Wigan/Barnsley and sub Semenyo on if needed. Otherwise just play Weimann up top and have some of the other wingers take his normal spot

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2 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Did you see him second half when moved central? Outstanding. I think it's clear now he struggles on the left wing, especially without someone as good as Dasilva behind him. For me he can play numerous positions, most of which he is better at than left wing.

O'Dowda and Outstanding are not two words I'd associate with each other this season. But we're certainly running out of options. Watkins looked OK in the short time he was on at Preston, but by all accounts less than impressive in recent reserve games. 

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Feel that we need to find a way to start with Palmer-Rodri-Weimann.

The problem is we're so limited with  injuries and the post about Nagy being out for longer means we're so stretched- think a midfield central 3 could give them a real platform as I quite liked what I saw of Rodri, Palmer's assist was sublime- we all know what Weimann can do. Yet I think that's a good blueprint moving forward- Diedhiou is not bad so far as backup or alternatives go, but he doesn't fit too well with the others, stylistically a lot of the time.

Could any of our CB's play at LB with sufficient competence? Could be a way to stick Rowe central to help form a 3 with Massengo and Brownhill as there is a risk of them being run into the ground if as a 2. O'Dowda perhaps centrally...he can take people on, run and in the past he's been not bad defensively. 

Smith or Nagy coming back could help to solve a lot of issues, for sure- more control, more dynamism- any word on their recovery time?

Semenyo may well come good, but certainly don't see him as the answer at present.

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Watching the replay, Fam was trying to free the ball from under the guy who was lying on it by kicking it free. It looked as if Fam was sticking the boot in to the bloke which is why it all kicked off......

 Fam was too aggressive in his attempts to free the ball and unless there is a different camara angle I can’t see the red being overturned.

Pretty much how i see it too, lj obviously wants him fired up but that was stupid.

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interesting comments from LJ, I thought it was the lino who persuaded the ref as happened right in front of where we sit, but maybe not

"Yes, he’s 100% going for the ball but obviously the player is jumping and diving across it both ways, he’s tried to poke two and then the third one he’s seen the ball and then the lad’s dived across it."

"Obviously that makes it look worse but the communication between the three officials was astounding really, how they’ve got to that from the ref saying no, he went to speak to the linesman who said no and then the fourth official for some reason has decided with the worst angle of the lot of them to give the red and that was the first thing that he piped up with all day.

"I can hear him, I spoke to the assistant, he said he didn’t give it, the referee went to ask the assistant what he had seen and he said nothing, it’s a yellow or whatever and then the fourth going ‘red, red, red’ down the mic, all overexcited."

Not sure on the laws of the game, but the player intentionally traps the ball under his legs to prevent Fam winning the ball back

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Don’t think it was a red.

I’ve studied it many times. The player is on the floor with the ball between his legs.

Are there any rules for competing for a ball in this situation?

In my view, each kick is aimed at the football.

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1 hour ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

interesting comments from LJ, I thought it was the lino who persuaded the ref as happened right in front of where we sit, but maybe not

"Yes, he’s 100% going for the ball but obviously the player is jumping and diving across it both ways, he’s tried to poke two and then the third one he’s seen the ball and then the lad’s dived across it."

"Obviously that makes it look worse but the communication between the three officials was astounding really, how they’ve got to that from the ref saying no, he went to speak to the linesman who said no and then the fourth official for some reason has decided with the worst angle of the lot of them to give the red and that was the first thing that he piped up with all day.

"I can hear him, I spoke to the assistant, he said he didn’t give it, the referee went to ask the assistant what he had seen and he said nothing, it’s a yellow or whatever and then the fourth going ‘red, red, red’ down the mic, all overexcited."

Not sure on the laws of the game, but the player intentionally traps the ball under his legs to prevent Fam winning the ball back

The problem is LJ was in the 4th official’s ear all night and guess what happens the first chance this guy gets to put one over on him?

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Weimann Rodri. Palmer instead of Odowda. Smodicz and Watkins are also fit, then we have Semenyo. Of those my feeling is Rodri the best of them. Watkins have scored for us and he can be good. Remember he played in the beginning of last season and we never lost when he was in the starting eleven. Remember people said he was bad and  a kind of scapegoat. Famara and Afobe not playing but we got options, Adelakunde? He was very good in Scunny and maybe he will be good here.

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23 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The problem is LJ was in the 4th official’s ear all night and guess what happens the first chance this guy gets to put one over on him?

To be fair, he was probably complaining about the very inconsistent ref. We could've had a penalty when Weimann was literally thrown to the ground in an off-the-ball incident.

The only thing I liked about Linington was he correctly penalised time wasters.

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4 hours ago, Eastside Moonwalker said:

The good thing is that other than Cardiff the games aren't against "worldbeater" teams. I wouldn't start Semenyo but rather give Rodni a run out against Wigan/Barnsley and sub Semenyo on if needed. Otherwise just play Weimann up top and have some of the other wingers take his normal spot

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