Lez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Ok I posted another thread in haste blood boiling at poor performance but I do feel Kasey Palmer has got to do more. Yes great ball Wednesday but he has not having the impact in games that he should. He doesnt look like a threat goals wise, he is disappearing in games he should be taking by the scruff of the neck.....for a 4 million pound signing he is not doing enough. Are we played 352 at home just to find a place for him? We must go 442 at home If it means elliasson starts, he is our biggest threat and another assist today.....this 352 does not work at home. Away from home fair enough we play on the break but at home Palmer is not doing enough, not even close and he cannot be picked ahead of eliasson anymore surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Unfortunately we don’t have a striker on his wavelength anymore due to injuries. Xavi could of played today and not created anything due to the lack of movement. Our problem isn’t KP our problem is we don’t have a striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Unfortunately we don’t have a striker on his wavelength anymore due to injuries. Xavi could of played today and not created anything due to the lack of movement. Our problem isn’t KP our problem is we don’t have a striker Got another assist today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Lez said: Got another assist today. I’m on about KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: I’m on about KP Doesnt do enough to get the ball....needs to be an outlet. Too often hides and then makes wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lez said: Doesnt do enough to get the ball....needs to be an outlet. Too often hides and then makes wrong decision. Sounds Chinese to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 He was very poor today. Started off brilliantly first few minutes and then gave it away a few times and so poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Really rate him but he doesn’t do enough in games and flits in and out . His desire and work rate isn’t what LJ has based this team around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, JonDolman said: He was very poor today. Started off brilliantly first few minutes and then gave it away a few times and so poor. True he was ineffective, but partly because he was trying to pick it up so deep because without Massengo and Brownhill awol, we had nobody breaking up play and winning the ball to enable KP to play more in their half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, Lez said: Ok I posted another thread in haste blood boiling at poor performance but I do feel Kasey Palmer has got to do more. Yes great ball Wednesday but he has not having the impact in games that he should. He doesnt look like a threat goals wise, he is disappearing in games he should be taking by the scruff of the neck.....for a 4 million pound signing he is not doing enough. Are we played 352 at home just to find a place for him? We must go 442 at home If it means elliasson starts, he is our biggest threat and another assist today.....this 352 does not work at home. Away from home fair enough we play on the break but at home Palmer is not doing enough, not even close and he cannot be picked ahead of eliasson anymore surely. What is this obsession with elliasson. He flatters to deceive and needs much more to his game. Cut inside , cross every time and he’s hardly created a lot of chances. He was invisible today. 442 doesn’t work anymore, we get outnumbered in midfield. when he does play he needs to play on the left not the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Both Palmer and Eliasson were useless today. Palmer keeps losing the ball in dangerous areas. Play it simple man...then use your genius with a killer pass when in their half into the final third. Don't try tricking two players in front of your own 18 yard box and losing it. As for Eliasson... someone teach him how to create angles to receive a pass please. Don't hug the touchline or start running down the channel, or going behind a defender when Pedro is trying to pass to you. No wonder we keep having to go backwards and switch play. I've never witnessed a side create so few angles and space as I did today. The basics went out the window. Looked like a team who'd never played together today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, spudski said: Both Palmer and Eliasson were useless today. Palmer keeps losing the ball in dangerous areas. Play it simple man...then use your genius with a killer pass when in their half into the final third. Don't try tricking two players in front of your own 18 yard box and losing it. As for Eliasson... someone teach him how to create angles to receive a pass please. Don't hug the touchline or start running down the channel, or going behind a defender when Pedro is trying to pass to you. No wonder we keep having to go backwards and switch play. I've never witnessed a side create so few angles and space as I did today. The basics went out the window. Looked like a team who'd never played together today. I totally agree with your observations, but don't think we can lay the blame on just Palmer and Eliasson. Rodri was anonymous, Taylor would have been more of threat. Recall Jan.? And I can't see that Szomdics offers a great deal either at the moment. The midfield won or controlled very little, and Wigan looked by far the better team. In fact we rarely looked like any sort of team. Nevertheless, given the injuried players we are missing, and the less than convincing way we are playing, our league position is astonishing! So well done LJ and the players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesleywalksoncider Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Palmer did struggle today but I feel that is mainly down to the midfield being so ineffective. My main concern is we don’t transition the ball well through midfield. How many times today did we pass the ball around the back four only to go long into the channels as we couldn’t create anything in midfield. In my mind this has been the problem for a while it was more noticeable when Pack was playing as he would try and come back to get the ball moving through the midfield. Maybe we’re missing the likes of Nagy or Smith to break it up and be a bit more combative in midfield. Whatever we need to sort it as teams just sit back and wait to catch us on the break. Maybe I’m reading all wrong but I would love to know what are plan was today as we didn’t seem to have an answer to the way Wigan played against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, spudski said: Both Palmer and Eliasson were useless today. Palmer keeps losing the ball in dangerous areas. Play it simple man...then use your genius with a killer pass when in their half into the final third. Don't try tricking two players in front of your own 18 yard box and losing it. As for Eliasson... someone teach him how to create angles to receive a pass please. Don't hug the touchline or start running down the channel, or going behind a defender when Pedro is trying to pass to you. No wonder we keep having to go backwards and switch play. I've never witnessed a side create so few angles and space as I did today. The basics went out the window. Looked like a team who'd never played together today. Agreed. And as for Szmodics, I thought that one of the ball boys had grabbed his shirt. Totally out of his depth. We badly needed a midfielder who could pass the ball and link up play, at pace. Wigan outmuscled and outplayed us in the second half and Adam Nagy's return can't come soon enough. That being said we're still 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Palmer and then Elliason when he came on were both very poor. That said, Weimaan and Bentley aside, no-one had a decent game. Makes the point all the more 1 gained. Onto Barnsley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said: Unfortunately we don’t have a striker on his wavelength anymore due to injuries. Xavi could of played today and not created anything due to the lack of movement. Our problem isn’t KP our problem is we don’t have a striker That doesn't excuse his poor performance today. His passing and possession retention was awful. At 1-0 his ball to the wide open right flank allowed Robinson to clear downfield for the eventual corner for the equaliser. I think he was also robbed on halfway leading to the Wigan attack that lead to their second successful corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Unfortunately we don’t have a striker on his wavelength anymore due to injuries. Xavi could of played today and not created anything due to the lack of movement. Our problem isn’t KP our problem is we don’t have a striker Palmer behind, up close with Weimann. Freeish role, 4-4-1-1...surely worth a proper go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWSM Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Lez said: Ok I posted another thread in haste blood boiling at poor performance but I do feel Kasey Palmer has got to do more. Yes great ball Wednesday but he has not having the impact in games that he should. He doesnt look like a threat goals wise, he is disappearing in games he should be taking by the scruff of the neck.....for a 4 million pound signing he is not doing enough. Are we played 352 at home just to find a place for him? We must go 442 at home If it means elliasson starts, he is our biggest threat and another assist today.....this 352 does not work at home. Away from home fair enough we play on the break but at home Palmer is not doing enough, not even close and he cannot be picked ahead of eliasson anymore surely. doesn't play to the whistle either. It's a man's game but he like many others get tackled and immediately stops playing, instead would rather lift hands and remonstrate with the ref. Pathetic need to carry on playing until the game is stopped by the ref when he blows his whistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted October 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Palmer behind, up close with Weimann. Freeish role, 4-4-1-1...surely worth a proper go? It's only a freeish role if he moves....which he doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lez said: It's only a freeish role if he moves....which he doesnt. If who moves- Palmer? Think proper run of Palmer behind Weimann is our best bet with the current personal. When people back, maybe Brownhill, Nagy, one of Massengo, Smith or Rowe and then Palmer behind Weimann and Rodri. The injuries are disastrous though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Is it worthwhile mentioning that Palmer is just 22 years old ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 The thing with KP is , he loves to turn and wrong foot opposition players so he can break and create but too often ends up getting tackled in key areas which puts us under pressure . On his day he’s unplayable, but still work to do on his game. Decision making being the obvious area for improvement. Don’t get me wrong, I rate him highly and his ability is clear for anyone to see. He just needs to do better in certain situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Did we play him in a position to get the best out of him today- to maximise his strengths and best mask his weaknesses? I don't think we did! A central 3 of Brownhill, Palmer, O'Dowda- while technically decent and fluid- leaves you very open in the middle, does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: If who moves- Palmer? Think proper run of Palmer behind Weimann is our best bet with the current personal. When people back, maybe Brownhill, Nagy, one of Massengo, Smith or Rowe and then Palmer behind Weimann and Rodri. The injuries are disastrous though. Agreed. I think he’d excel with 3 CMs behind him and 2 strikers upfront . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Agreed. I think he’d excel with 3 CMs behind him and 2 strikers upfront . Has to be the right 2 strikers though. Afobe and Weimann? Absolutely. Rodri and Weimann? Maybe- the former showed some decent signs in first couple of game and is IMO better for this setup than Diedhiou, or at this time, Semenyo. Diedhiou and Weimann? Unsure. Definite worries on that score. Semenyo and Weimann? Possible in some respects, but really don't think Semenyo is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Yeah , agreed that Palmer needs a certain type of striker in front of him to anticipate the audacious passes he attempts to make sometimes. Diédhiou and Palmer do not work , but we know that already. We need a “on the shoulder of the last defender” striker in January . Such a shame Afobe done his ACL. I genuinely think we’d be flying if he wasn’t injured . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Unfortunately we don’t have a striker on his wavelength anymore due to injuries. Xavi could of played today and not created anything due to the lack of movement. Our problem isn’t KP our problem is we don’t have a striker That’s spot on - Afobe up front with KP behind him and Weimann buzzing around was the dream ticket....Fam just can’t read KP’s intentions .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooko Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 12 hours ago, RedEyez said: The thing with KP is , he loves to turn and wrong foot opposition players so he can break and create but too often ends up getting tackled in key areas which puts us under pressure . On his day he’s unplayable, but still work to do on his game. Decision making being the obvious area for improvement. Don’t get me wrong, I rate him highly and his ability is clear for anyone to see. He just needs to do better in certain situations. Nailed it. On his day, unplayable and exciting. The problem is that he just doesnt work enough when out of possession. His free roaming style exposes us when play breaks down and he is way out of position. Im a huge fan of Eliasson but there are limitations to his play. After a few step overs, he nearly always shifts it to his left foot. He doesn't like being kept on his right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Said to my mate yesterday that given the way he plays Palmer is at risk of becoming an impact sub player, rather than the player he should be. Doesnt do enough when he starts but changes a game when he comes off the bench. That said, he was starting to form a half decent partnership with Afobe so that would have had an impact as someone else as mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 18 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: What is this obsession with elliasson. He flatters to deceive and needs much more to his game. Cut inside , cross every time and he’s hardly created a lot of chances. He was invisible today. 442 doesn’t work anymore, we get outnumbered in midfield. when he does play he needs to play on the left not the right Second highest number of assists in the championship so far this season - not bad considering he’s only played about 180 minutes of football in the whole of that time!!! His crosses are very accurate - we just need someone to get on the end of them more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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