Up The City! Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 I remembered exactly why I dislike Sunday games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 People will still want LJ out regardless of our progression year after year ? If we had anyone else in charge I think we’d be in a relegation battle come May. He knows his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, RedEyez said: People will still want LJ out regardless of our progression year after year ? Do they? I think the vast majority of LJs original critics have had a gradual change of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NNSnse Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Scare_Man said: I quite fancy Dan Bentley in one on ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: 12 pts from 7 isn't so terrible- and 12 from 6 since the signings. Could be a bit better of course, but don't see our results at home as terrible. It's not the results that are the problem though is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: Do they? I think the vast majority of LJs original critics have had a gradual change of opinion. Yeah. Not so much on here but other people I talk to away from social media platforms. Weird innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 hours ago, JonDolman said: Agree with most of that. Thought Kieffer Moore was very good today..but yeah not what I'd want here. Weimann is very erratic. Such a shame he does miss a lot of chances. And Baker at left of a 3 is ridiculous, especially when we have Rowe who offers so little goung forward next to him. Don't get it at all. We have him unoccupied and just seems pointless as he can't step out. Hes in to win headers and is actually not that great in the air, doesn't get tight enough. Wright is shorter but so strong and gets tight and wins or puts people off headers with his strength. I think Taylor moore is unlucky to get dragged off game after game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Roe said: If we'd had Moore playing instead of Rodri I think we might've won today so not sure what that one's all about Yet we saw fit not to sign him or any other striker on a permanent basis. He would not have broken the bank. I cannot see the sense in this and I am sure we won't want to spend the money in January when players are dearer. It is going to haunt us all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: I think Taylor moore is unlucky to get dragged off game after game. He got injured Robin.......tweaked his knee just on half time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Yet we saw fit not to sign him or any other striker on a permanent basis. He would not have broken the bank. I cannot see the sense in this and I am sure we won't want to spend the money in January when players are dearer. It is going to haunt us all season. As it has done in several previous seasons. A key signing, which we can make now, is an attacking coach for our forwards. A coach who has played in attack and knows what it is all about and knows how to build partnerships (either with the players we have or one’s to go out and buy). At the moment there is little if any cohesion between our attacking players and no ‘partnerships’ seem to exist where players anticipate what others are going to do. Dysfunctional at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Robbored said: He got injured Robin.......tweaked his knee just on half time Oh fair comment Al but it seems to be him every week . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, RedRock said: As it has done in several previous seasons. A key signing, which we can make now, is an attacking coach for our forwards. A coach who has played in attack and knows what it is all about and knows how to build partnerships (either with the players we have or one’s to go out and buy). At the moment there is little if any cohesion between our attacking players and no ‘partnerships’ seem to exist where players anticipate what others are going to do. Dysfunctional at best. Genuinely would be shocked if we don't have one! @spudski and @Cowshed plus @Davefevs often post very interesting tactical stuff. Would have assumed we would have a specialist coach in each area ie goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack? Maybe wingers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Yet we saw fit not to sign him or any other striker on a permanent basis. He would not have broken the bank. I cannot see the sense in this and I am sure we won't want to spend the money in January when players are dearer. It is going to haunt us all season. Love a bit of hindsight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 Think most of us saw we were weak upfront. Not a great fan of signing temps. either. The consequence of doing this is you don’t develop long-term partnerships. Twelve months and whoever it is buggers off. Need a minimum of four out-and-out high quality strikers to mount a serious promotion challenge in this league. One is always likely to be injured or suspended, leaving three for selection. We’re nowhere near that at the moment. So we go, yet again, in January and try and get two in. January you pay over the odds and Clubs are unwilling to sell. We know that and we know that our track record of trying to sign attackers in January ranges between disastrous and calamitous. Maybe this season we’ve learnt from past mistakes, though I ain’t holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Yet we saw fit not to sign him or any other striker on a permanent basis. He would not have broken the bank. I cannot see the sense in this and I am sure we won't want to spend the money in January when players are dearer. It is going to haunt us all season. We signed Afobe who is different and better. “One a permanent basis” is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Genuinely would be shocked if we don't have one! @spudski and @Cowshed plus @Davefevs often post very interesting tactical stuff. Would have assumed we would have a specialist coach in each area ie goalkeeper, defence, midfield and attack? Maybe wingers too. Kind remark … City do have specialist coaches working with the squad in units. Lee Johnson also brings in coaches to work alongside the permanent staff. 54 minutes ago, RedRock said: As it has done in several previous seasons. A key signing, which we can make now, is an attacking coach for our forwards. A coach who has played in attack and knows what it is all about and knows how to build partnerships (either with the players we have or one’s to go out and buy). At the moment there is little if any cohesion between our attacking players and no ‘partnerships’ seem to exist where players anticipate what others are going to do. Dysfunctional at best. This is not necessarily going to be improved by bringing in additional support. Coaches follow the Managers direction and his ideas. Cohesion is generally created by familiarity. The tasks are imbed into the squad via intensive periodized training collectively and in units . At present the team is seeing change. The training therefore will be episodic and less likely to imbed itself in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Kind remark … City do have specialist coaches working with the squad in units. Lee Johnson also brings in coaches to work alongside the permanent staff. This is not necessarily going to be improved by bringing in additional support. Coaches follow the Managers direction and his ideas. Cohesion is generally created by familiarity. The tasks are imbed into the squad via intensive periodized training collectively and in units . At present the team is seeing change. The training therefore will be episodic and less likely to imbed itself in the team. Bow to your superior knowledge.....but some partnerships click straight away, while others - no matter how much familiarity - just don’t work. I feel at the moment, whichever players you pick, from central forwards, attacking midfield, wings, there’s just no telepathy in our advanced forward play. There’s no two or three players who instinctively know what the others are doing. That’s needed, as micro-seconds in this league make all the difference. My fear is that is we’re at this point because no real quality thought has been given to attacking skill-sets of individual players and to matching no them up with others. I hope I’m wrong, as that would be an elementary error. The nearest we had was the developing and promising relationship between Palmer and Afobe. With Afobe out, we have no back up player with a similar skill set, as a consequence £4 million Palmer seems totally lost and his contribution much devalued. Fast tempo, fluid football - which I think is our much-vaunted ‘identity’ - depends more on instinct, natural football intelligence and complementary player skills than coaching drills for me. As always a question of balance, but I look currently at Semenyo -who appears a rabbit in headlights - as his brain flicks through pages of coaching manuals as to where he should be and what he should be doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, RedRock said: Bow to your superior knowledge.....but some partnerships click straight away, while others - no matter how much familiarity - just don’t work. I feel at the moment, whichever players you pick, from central forwards, attacking midfield, wings, there’s just no telepathy in our advanced forward play. There’s no two or three players who instinctively know what the others are doing. That’s needed, as micro-seconds in this league make all the difference. My fear is that is we’re at this point because no real quality thought has been given to attacking skill-sets of individual players and to matching no them up with others. I hope I’m wrong, as that would be an elementary error. The nearest we had was the developing and promising relationship between Palmer and Afobe. With Afobe out, we have no back up player, as a consequence Palmer’s seems totally lost and his contribution much devalued. Players do not instinctively know what others are going to do as this anticipation, understanding is generally coached in, or gained by their own experiences. Humans as football players can react in microseconds because we have the ability to recognise patterns of play while discounting what is not relevant and also understand the communication players demonstrate e.g ,body language, eyes. This ability becomes what is known as unconscious competence - Players act on auto pilot following the cues they see. You may be answering your own points with the highlighted text but intense focussed training that is consistent and repetitive does improve understanding .. That improvement is lessened by change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RedEyez said: Love a bit of hindsight The thread title did say things we remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Players do not instinctively know what others are going to do as this anticipation, understanding is generally coached in, or gained by their own experiences. Humans as football players can react in microseconds because we have the ability to recognise patterns of play while discounting what is not relevant and also understand the communication players demonstrate e.g ,body language, eyes. This ability becomes what is known as unconscious competence - Players act on auto pilot following the cues they see. You may be answering your own points with the highlighted text but intense focussed training that is consistent and repetitive does improve understanding .. That improvement is lessened by change. But I look at our attacking spearhead... Fammy, Andi, Kasey, Calum and Eliason .... I think of the hundred of hours of intensive training that’s gone in .... and do I see any partnerships developing? Do I see instinctive patterns of play between two, three, any of them? Struggling to be honest... hence the call for an attacking coach. However, I fear the problem may be well-beyond what coaching can address i.e. non-complementary skill/mind sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said: And avoiding defeat, and getting in the top six. Remember them two! And picking up points when you ain't playing well, that's another. Those are the slightly more technical parts of our game !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 hours ago, marcofisher said: Palmer is so much better when he plays away from home, gets so much more space to hit those turns and initiate counter attacks. Today unfortunately he was just far too confined. It’s all about movement and yesterday he didn’t have the support around him to launch the killer pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Weiman is everywhere and if he was more clinical in front of goal he wouldn’t be playing at City . He was often in midfield yesterday, picking the ball up , turning the opponent and driving forward . A very good player and a bargain for what we paid for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 hours ago, RedRock said: But I look at our attacking spearhead... Fammy, Andi, Kasey, Calum and Eliason .... I think of the hundred of hours of intensive training that’s gone in .... and do I see any partnerships developing? Do I see instinctive patterns of play between two, three, any of them? Struggling to be honest... hence the call for an attacking coach. However, I fear the problem may be well-beyond what coaching can address i.e. non-complementary skill/mind sets. I would look at the attacking spearhead as being broader, the way the ball is moved through each third. There are threads on here "identity" and "stop the tinkering" etc which display a theme. The team selection and its direction is not consistent. The players will have undergone constant intensive training but the impact of that training will have been lessened because it cannot be intensely focussed on the same style when City have styles. With the amount of change the team goes through would I expect the side to display fluency? No not really and players playing in patterns, units, partnerships will be less evident. Again your last line is in the realm of the Manager. Its not the coaches who buy the players and set out the way the team plays. Players skills sets should already fit the team need and coaches bring the players further towards what the Manager wants. City are doing well. In my opinion the team is performing beyond expectation. Perhaps focussing more on the second third, placing an extra player in the centre of midfield could create better tempo x better retention of the ball. More ball more opportunity and an extra player as an option. Work on the patterns in the second third as a long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Webster is missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Dullmoan Tone said: Wigan are not a very good team Moore would not have been the answer to our number 9 problem Eliasson is not always going to be the solution Baker is not a ball playing centre back Andi is not a natural finisher We cannot break down stubborn physical teams at home Kasey is brilliant (early pass), immobile and inconsistent (and recklessly slide tackles too often after losing the ball) Bentley is a superb keeper We cannot keeping changing formation and selection and hope to progress. We do finish strongly... but start so slowly at home. Oh how we miss the regulars Anything else? Just a couple: 6th in league only 3 points off the top only 1 point behind "nailed on for promotion" Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 A few more: We got a point more than our performance deserved. Wigan must be gutted. Too often (its been a recurring problem) we gave the ball away cheaply, the highlights show two good Wigan chances which resulted from KP being dispossessed and another when Taylor Moore was easily disposed. They aren’t the only two culprits, certainly Han-Noah is often guilty of giving the ball away cheaply. Our defending from corners needs attention. Given our very limited forward options we had to consistently hold onto the ball, as there was no forward ball on. Bentley, yet again, made a crucial save one-on-one. We are more resilient as a team, in the past we would concede late goals whereas recently we are picking up points with a late goal of our own. Given the learning / reflections from yesterday let’s hope we bounce back on Friday and somehow find a short-term answer to not having an out-and-out striker available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: A few more: We got a point more than our performance deserved. Wigan must be gutted. Too often (its been a recurring problem) we gave the ball away cheaply, the highlights show two good Wigan chances which resulted from KP being dispossessed and another when Taylor Moore was easily disposed. They aren’t the only two culprits, certainly Han-Noah is often guilty of giving the ball away cheaply. Our defending from corners needs attention. Given our very limited forward options we had to consistently hold onto the ball, as there was no forward ball on. Bentley, yet again, made a crucial save one-on-one. We are more resilient as a team, in the past we would concede late goals whereas recently we are picking up points with a late goal of our own. Given the learning / reflections from yesterday let’s hope we bounce back on Friday and somehow find a short-term answer to not having an out-and-out striker available. How do you upvote posts twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 We were awful and got a point again. We need Nagy back. If Afobe were playing we would be top. The reserves are good and have kept us in touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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