Bristol Rob Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: I'm wondering why they choose to include a model of the next stage of development in shot At one point I honestly thought it was left over egg sandwiches from the board presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: At one point I honestly thought it was left over egg sandwiches from the board presentation. I'll have to watch it again, like you, I thought it was a buffet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 The gas would of made a profit but the head of the supporters club stole it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, downendcity said: They're still paying off the loan for the money box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, chucky said: They're still paying off the loan for the money box. They've only got the key until tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolmoose Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, downendcity said: They've only got the key until tomorrow. Presumably after that £50,000,000 for the new stadium will unfortunately be locked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Totally hypothetical but...... Bar prices up by at least 50p. So if we sell say 10,000 pints per game, this equals 10,000x50p (£5,000) X 23 home games, not including cup matches = £115,000 marginal revenue or 1% of the net profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Paying bottom half wages, so despite increasing league position probably still beaten to targets by being outpaid, however we spend £101 on wages for every £100 made so we can't exactly push ourselves much further and need to be smart with the money we do spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 The bulk of those are from 2017/18, so we can't properly judge yet- think was about 104% in 2017/18 so still in a reasonable (by this level standards) ballpark! Moving in right direction too. IMO believe that the figures for the 3 promoted sides include promotion bonuses in these too, but am uncertain on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: IMO believe that the figures for the 3 promoted sides include promotion bonuses in these too, but am uncertain on this. I'd really hope so in Villa's case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, hodge said: I'd really hope so in Villa's case! We won't know that until their 2018/19 ones released. Seen one figure that suggests wage bill for them last season- talking total, not weekly- £74m!! That said, £6m was promotion bonuses but still that's true shit or bust (definitely FFP wise) in final year of parachute payments!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Shows how well the likes of Preston, Brentford and especially Sheffield United have been doing when you see what their average wage has been. I think we need to make sure our highest earners are regulars, as otherwise we might as well sell them. Baker is surely one of our highest earners. Does he do enough? No. Wright, Paterson and Taylor should all be sold too. That will lower our wage bill. Replace with young players that would likely be on lower wages as well as adding value to our squad as they improve. And bring any through that are ready, like Vyner to replace Wright if he is ready by then. Also if Watkins is not getting any opportunities then we should sell but unlikely to get much interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 From the summer just gone our wage bill has gone up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I can see the model we’re developing. My concern would be who is next in the pipeline? Where does the next 10-20m of player sales come from to balance next years books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, 054123 said: I can see the model we’re developing. My concern would be who is next in the pipeline? Where does the next 10-20m of player sales come from to balance next years books? Han. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, 054123 said: I can see the model we’re developing. My concern would be who is next in the pipeline? Where does the next 10-20m of player sales come from to balance next years books? Taylor Moore, Massengo Nagy DaSilva Brownhill, theres plenty in the squad that could be sold for a hefty fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, 054123 said: I can see the model we’re developing. My concern would be who is next in the pipeline? Where does the next 10-20m of player sales come from to balance next years books? It depends what we mean by balance the books though. Do we mean break even/turn a profit each season, do we mean stick to the £13m loss + allowables per season, or do we mean ambition but backed by compliance within the FFP regs? If it's the latter...I'm not so sure we need to sell anyone next season- subject to contract length, buyout clause or a swoop for Gayle/Assombalonga say. FWIW, I hope it's the third- we need a more balanced approach with this one and to do things at this level, I'd say we do our best but it needs to be the third IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It depends what we mean by balance the books though. Dao we mean breakeven/turn a profit, or do we mean ambition backed by compliance? If it's the latter...I'm not so sure we need to sell anyone next season- subject to contract length, buyout clause or a swoop for Gayle/Assombalonga say. Of course we probably didn't want to sell Webster but if a player wants to go then he goes. That will keep the annual losses tolerable but are unlikely to make us better on the pitch - I appreciate every club with decent players lose them to bigger clubs of course, but there is no guarantee our very recent success at turning profits will continue as infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Of course we probably didn't want to sell Webster but if a player wants to go then he goes. That will keep the annual losses tolerable but are unlikely to make us better on the pitch - I appreciate every club with decent players lose them to bigger clubs of course, but there is no guarantee our very recent success at turning profits will continue as infinitum. Yep, true- part of me did wonder if we shouldn't have kept him and offered a guaranteed move in summer 2020- not so much with a fee but a contractual clause, fee of course still to be negotiated, value to be met. So much can happen in that time of course. Agreed- taking a medium to longer term view, no guarantees at all from the profits front. I'd say that this season and next season though offers an ideal window in which to go for it- no pressure then! Thereafter, yes big sales and trading probably necessary to keep within FFP, especially as it seems to have been getting tightened- so they say- in recent times. We do have strong saleable assets though, maybe part of a calculated risk/go for it scenario could be simply selling nobody (subject to buyout clauses, contract lengths and contract clauses) that we choose not to if we don't do it this season. We'll make a loss this season fairly sure unless big sales in January- I'd expect the Commercial Revenue to be down as no WC Fan Zone, the wage bill to be up a few million, and net amortisation to be up- these are some of my very early estimates though- we have decent headroom now however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, 054123 said: I can see the model we’re developing. My concern would be who is next in the pipeline? Where does the next 10-20m of player sales come from to balance next years books? We've already managed that with Webster's sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: We've already managed that with Webster's sale. Chances are that we'll make a loss in 2019/20 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Chances are that we'll make a loss in 2019/20 IMO. Don't doubt that. But we're well within our 13m allowable I suspect and have much more (potential) value in our squad now. 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yep, true- part of me did wonder if we shouldn't have kept him and offered a guaranteed move in summer 2020- not so much with a fee but a contractual clause, fee of course still to be negotiated, value to be met. So much can happen in that time of course. early estimates though- we have decent headroom now however. I don't think Webster's value would have held. He might have had another fantastic season, but would be a year nearer hid contract end, and with a "we'll sell you next year" type clause clubs would be offering less, looking to cause a disruption with the player if we reject. Can also be argued that Moore's value has shot up as a result of Webster going. He wouldn't have got at much game time had Webster been here, maybe even loaned out again, but thus far he has proven himself more than capable in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Don't doubt that. But we're well within our 13m allowable I suspect and have much more (potential) value in our squad now. I don't think Webster's value would have held. He might have had another fantastic season, but would be a year nearer hid contract end, and with a "we'll sell you next year" type clause clubs would be offering less, looking to cause a disruption with the player if we reject. Can also be argued that Moore's value has shot up as a result of Webster going. He wouldn't have got at much game time had Webster been here, maybe even loaned out again, but thus far he has proven himself more than capable in the Championship. Agreed on the first bit certainly. I wonder about the 2nd bit- he's flourishing at Brighton after a slow start, where he didn't get much game time- of course injuries can happen but that is of course a risk- a private agreement with Webster- I just wonder about selling him though nobody can doubt we made a major profit- necessary to sell on balance, but stuck in the craw a bit at the time selling both Kelly and Webster in one summer- yet we added value, developed value and overall had a very good summer- these injuries a real killer now though! Yeah, Moore will definitely have a higher value now I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Only a matter of time before the Fewers state that with a new tent they too could make a similar profit. However, I'm sure they'll be more focused on the money that has been spent in previous years. They are so out of touch; that they think there are parachute payments to teams relegated from the Championship. Pretty pointless comparison, we should be looking at the likes of Rotherham with regards to our aims. I don't expect us to hold our own in the Championship, however it would be nice to have a lovely stadium and dip our toe in. Promotion reward and parachute payment has to be worth a few quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 30, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 34 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: They are so out of touch; that they think there are parachute payments to teams relegated from the Championship. Pretty pointless comparison, we should be looking at the likes of Rotherham with regards to our aims. I don't expect us to hold our own in the Championship, however it would be nice to have a lovely stadium and dip our toe in. Promotion reward and parachute payment has to be worth a few quid. Not quite . . . Ipswich lost £9m on TV revenue, but got a payment of £13m The EFL also operates a Parachute Payment system within the EFL Leagues and the National League. Clubs relegated from the EFL Championship receive 11.1% of the Basic Award payment to Championship clubs for one season. Clubs relegated from EFL League One receive 12.6% of the Basic Award payment to League One clubs for one season. Clubs relegated from EFL League Two receive 100% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League Two clubs in the first year following relegation, and 50% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League Two clubs in the second year following relegation.[10] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, phantom said: Not quite . . . Ipswich lost £9m on TV revenue, but got a payment of £13m The EFL also operates a Parachute Payment system within the EFL Leagues and the National League. Clubs relegated from the EFL Championship receive 11.1% of the Basic Award payment to Championship clubs for one season. Clubs relegated from EFL League One receive 12.6% of the Basic Award payment to League One clubs for one season. Clubs relegated from EFL League Two receive 100% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League Two clubs in the first year following relegation, and 50% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League Two clubs in the second year following relegation.[10] I stand corrected, Phants. Any idea what this amounts to in monetary terms ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: I stand corrected, Phants. Any idea what this amounts to in monetary terms ? It's the "Football League Pool" line in the second screenshot here. 2.6million for 2019. 11.1% is roughly 288,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yep, true- part of me did wonder if we shouldn't have kept him and offered a guaranteed move in summer 2020- not so much with a fee but a contractual clause, fee of course still to be negotiated, value to be met. So much can happen in that time of course. Exactly, a career ending injury can happen in a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: It's the "Football League Pool" line in the second screenshot here. 2.6million for 2019. 11.1% is roughly 288,000. Cheers. 288,000 is not really a parachute payment then, more of a drop in the ocean. The Sag obviously thinks these payments are worth far more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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