Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 A few months ago I posted about it on the policing football thread. Maybe it should be merged into that thread, but maybe it's worth a thread in its own right. Swansea v Cardiff the other week...will we see it soon at AG? Actually, something about it today in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 FFS, those individuals who are making racist remarks, or monkey noises, or those thumping another spectator because he/she is supporting the other team - then I hope facial recognition is in place and helps put you in the dock to face justice. As for the 90% law abiding citizens we have nothing to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 People only complain about facial recognition technology if they have something to hide. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UREDS_91 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Do nothing wrong, nothing to fear.... Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Not convinced it's so benign tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not convinced it's so benign tbh. Why? As Pop says if you do nothing illegal what’s the problem? People forget the CCTV that is pretty much everywhere in towns and Cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why? As Pop says if you do nothing illegal what’s the problem? People forget the CCTV that is pretty much everywhere in towns and Cities. Oh yeah, we're already pretty saturated with it for sure...dunno though, it's a gut feeling. Seems quite prone to misidentification for a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Oh yeah, we're already pretty saturated with it for sure...dunno though, it's a gut feeling. Seems quite prone to misidentification for a start! Dunno if you saw the BBC thriller ‘The Capture’ recently but it showed just malleable CCTV is.........for good and bad........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Dunno if you saw the BBC thriller ‘The Capture’ recently but it showed just malleable CCTV is.........for good and bad........ I'm not sure it really showed anything to be honest. Amazing show and a great watch, but it's fiction, not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Robbored said: Dunno if you saw the BBC thriller ‘The Capture’ recently but it showed just malleable CCTV is.........for good and bad........ As somebody who has worked in this area and much like the utter BS that was The Bodyguard, Capture was fiction on steroids (though quite enjoyable to watch.) Secure communications use hashing algorithms to ensure what's sent, received or shared are one and the same, or will tell you if they've been amended, even by the slightest margin. As many hereabouts have pointed out if you've nothing to hide you've no worries ( from Government .) On the other hand if you've a conviction and are subject to a football banning order it's relatively simple to run facial mapping against what is a small database. And why not? I wonder why the Muppet holding the banner felt the need to obscure his mug? The joke being all the do-gooders who fret about 'Liberty Infringement' carry phones, use Facebook and Twitter, shop at Tesco and Sainsbury's, carry contactless cards, wear wireless earphones and brag about their smart TVs and speakers. Big Brother ain't in Whitehall, it's in all those tech and trading companies we seemingly can no longer do without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: As somebody who has worked in this area and much like the utter BS that was The Bodyguard, Capture was fiction on steroids (though quite enjoyable to watch.) Secure communications use hashing algorithms to ensure what's sent, received or shared are one and the same, or will tell you if they've been amended, even by the slightest margin. As many hereabouts have pointed out if you've nothing to hide you've no worries ( from Government .) On the other hand if you've a conviction and are subject to a football banning order it's relatively simple to run facial mapping against what is a small database. And why not? I wonder why the Muppet holding the banner felt the need to obscure his mug? The joke being all the do-gooders who fret about 'Liberty Infringement' carry phones, use Facebook and Twitter, shop at Tesco and Sainsbury's, carry contactless cards, wear wireless earphones and brag about their smart TVs and speakers. Big Brother ain't in Whitehall, it's in all those tech and trading companies we seemingly can no longer do without. What ‘The Capture’ showed, bullshit storyline or not was how malleable CCTV is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 And did you get to sleep with the PM? (Or which ever minister she was playing? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: What ‘The Capture’ showed, bullshit storyline or not was how malleable CCTV is. Not if you know what you're looking for. After all, it's simply a succession of still images and like with Photoshop if you know how to look at the meta data contained within the image you can tell if it's been doctored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, UREDS_91 said: Do nothing wrong, nothing to fear.... Simple. Are you sure?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, UREDS_91 said: Do nothing wrong, nothing to fear.... Simple. Birmingham City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: What ‘The Capture’ showed, bullshit storyline or not was how malleable CCTV is. It’s like anything in life, a bit of experience makes it very easy to separate something genuine from something full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Birmingham City And what benefit to that particular scenario would facial recognition technology have had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhitepurple Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Freedom went from the uk a good while ago now. Only lazy people say' if you have nothing to hide' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lrrr Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Annoying as it basically means no chance of going back to lights in stands going off at night matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunsupport Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Sorry if some of You already read it but I posted this in the cashless Brentford topic, it suits here as well and may serve as a comparison of some kind. Also a "tale" about how people react to these kind of things in a football stadium. In our new stadium (Ferencváros, stadium was built in 2014) in order to fight against this "Balkan, agressive fanbase" stereotype You can only enter if You register first (except VIP ticket holders). You get a fan card with Your name, You get a pin code (sort of) by scanning Your palm and when You buy a ticket (season or single game is the same) online it goes to You fan card. Then You can enter the stadium by scanning Your card and palm ét voila! You're in. And after that what correlates to this topic is that You can ONLY buy cashless in the stadium WITH Your fan card: You can either put cash on it via the stewards circulating in the stadium or straight through credit card. And at the end of the season let's say theres 5 pound left on the card it goes straight to the bank account of Ferencváros' youth teams. I have to say I like this system: there was a big fight with the ultras about that palm scanning ( for 3 years they didn't show up in the stadium) but the management negotiated with them and they're back now. And the athmospere is way better than ever, really became much more cultured and You only need 1 fan card for everything: thats Your ticket and paying card as well, You get it once and don't ever have to again mess with paper ticket, money, etc. Of course it's still a possibility to buy a ticket in person if You want to have it for example as a memory. And the away end remains as normal, cash at the buffet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Try getting into a football match in Italy. Italian nationals have to show an id card & foreigners have to show a passport to buy a ticket and to enter the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, old_eastender said: FFS, those individuals who are making racist remarks, or monkey noises, or those thumping another spectator because he/she is supporting the other team - then I hope facial recognition is in place and helps put you in the dock to face justice. As for the 90% law abiding citizens we have nothing to fear. That’s hell of a presumption to cast on everyone. I have a right not to be invaded by anyone or anything regardless of your opinion. as for your 90% of having nothing to fear is a very naive statement because of 10% of misbehaving others will suffer. your suggestion reminds me of someone supporting a “police state “. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, UREDS_91 said: Do nothing wrong, nothing to fear.... Simple. Idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Why the picture of Eric Blair? 1984 is long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, myol'man said: Try getting into a football match in Italy. Italian nationals have to show an id card & foreigners have to show a passport to buy a ticket and to enter the stadium. I know- went Roma-Inter and had to do just that in August 2017! Think they've got slightly wider issues in their game though, also throw in a bit of typical Italian bureaucracy and the 2 combined account for that. Still can't say I'm pro facial recognition at football- perhaps even in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StGeorge Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Do nothing wrong, nothing to fear.... Simple. Birmingham City 55 minutes ago, Robbored said: 1 hour ago, RedLionLad said: Birmingham City And what benefit to that particular scenario would facial recognition technology have had? I think RLL was referring to the fact that a lot of people did nothing wrong, but actually did have something to fear. Not facial recognition per se. Valid point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, StGeorge said: Do nothing wrong, nothing to fear.... Simple. Birmingham City I think RLL was referring to the fact that a lot of people did nothing wrong, but actually did have something to fear. Not facial recognition per se. Valid point A valid point to facially recognise the police officers may have speeded the process up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 55 minutes ago, Redwhitepurple said: Freedom went from the uk a good while ago now. Only lazy people say' if you have nothing to hide' Care to elaborate? I’ve never done much wrong and consequentially never faced any unjust trouble. And I wouldn’t consider myself lazy whatsoever, far from it. I keep hearing people say things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Would never work at the mem, far too many fans for any database to cope with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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