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Red Army 75

Diesel ban near AG (merged)

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It's a bloody joke.

Reason Bristol is polluted is because of all the pedestrian crossings. Traffic is stood still not going anywhere.

Bridges and Subways were the answer...and we got rid of them.

Add to the fact a modern diesel is cleaner than a petrol car.

And public transport isn't efficient enough.

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Ah, a return to the 60s plan of a two level centre - motors on the lower with pedestrians walking on a web of footbridges above. Now there's a plan that was ahead of its time. Pity it's dead now.

Not quite sure about what effect of banning all diesels it will have on the life of the city. Is removing them, including the revered public transport, the answer? How will goods move? Taxis: they are expensive enough without putting the 'tax' into taxi and might cause a cull.

Clearly, the long overdue Clean Air Plan was dragging and given a massive chivvy-up when the Government started legal proceedings. Marvin must have had a fright. He is also behind the proposed massive redevelopment of the Harbourside road system, what with its controversial ideas of building some strange roads around the Cumberland Basin. And speaking of his nibbs, is there an important Mayoral election coming up soon? Big plans are coming out just in time, eh? Hmmm...

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6 hours ago, spudski said:

It's a bloody joke.

Reason Bristol is polluted is because of all the pedestrian crossings. Traffic is stood still not going anywhere.

Bridges and Subways were the answer...and we got rid of them.

Add to the fact a modern diesel is cleaner than a petrol car.

And public transport isn't efficient enough.

Add to that, people have been encouraged to buy diesel cars and now face being penalised.  

Totally agree about the ridiculous road planning and layouts, the removal of footbridges and underpasses is insane, not replacing the flyover at Temple Meads / Redcliffe is another poor decision.

No way would I use public transport to get to/from work, it would take far too long.

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I certainly won't be getting rid of my diesel if this plan comes in for good. Along with that I also just will not drive into town ever and spend money there either. If it does go as far as Ashton Gate I will not renew my season ticket either as it is my transport to games. 

Too many pedestrian crossings in town - I have to say I haven't noticed (along with the lights and crossings through Redfield/Lawrence Hill)......

Bristol is a complete joke when it comes to the roads, and all the changes must be made from someone sat in an office in another City, another great move is out by Frenchay where you now have to drive further and congest the roundabout by the M32 as the turning to Hambrook has been closed.

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I don’t have a diesel so it doesn’t make any difference to me. If anything it’ll clear the roads a little for me. ;) 

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If this happens I suspect a lot of people will be put off coming in to town. Which will lead to a lot of businesses struggling financially and eventually closing. Therefore less business rates paid to BCC.

It all makes sense :facepalm:

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Not building a bus/coach station alongside our train station tells you everything you need to know about the council’s transport planners. That alone would have stopped so many unnecessary taxi journeys between the two sites.

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First step to their longed for congestion charge? I do wonder about those in charge in Bristol. As said above about coach and train stations, then try and potentially stop some people using the shopping centre while complying that people aren’t using the shopping centre.

Same geniuses that don’t want the Arena next to a major rail network, but want to put it where, everyone to use the roads, while complaining  that the pollution is caused by too many people using the roads. 

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I got rid of a diesel a couple of years back and replaced it with a low emissions petrol engine.

No green agenda, just needed a smaller car as my travelling habits changed and I might not use my car for a couple of weeks and when I do, it's mostly for short local journeys.

Will banning diesel cars make much of a difference? I doubt it.

Will making Bristol more difficult to visit have a knock on effect? More than likely. With Cribbs a local beneficiary - free parking and diesel friendly!

What they should be doing, is improving public transport so the motivation to use any car is reduced, which if course they won't, as that would cost money.

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12 hours ago, BS2 Red said:

I don’t have a diesel so it doesn’t make any difference to me. If anything it’ll clear the roads a little for me. ;) 

Oh it will, give it about 24months and any car will have to pay. Its just diesel for now

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I'm not one of the Extinction Rebellion fans and in particular think they scored a huge own goal with their Tube stuff.

That said, it will- don't just mean this, but as a whole necessitate a major change in how people live. Just will, how far down the line I'm unsure.

Without decent and affordable alternatives at least as a starting point though, it'll be pointless- but talking about the wider issue, if people think this is something major, it's really  a pretty thin end of a major wedge! Our city is and has been hopeless on the public transport front though.

The goalposts suddenly shifting on diesel- and I say this as a non driver too- did the issue no favours though!

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Am I missing something...….. so I drive to Bristol in my diesel car all the way from Surrey and get to the end of the M32 - then what am I supposed to do? Leave it on the hard shoulder and walk?

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20 minutes ago, Reigate Red said:

Am I missing something...….. so I drive to Bristol in my diesel car all the way from Surrey and get to the end of the M32 - then what am I supposed to do? Leave it on the hard shoulder and walk?

Your situation sounds less than ideal, and naturally I have sympathy with it and people in your boat.

However, OTOH wider issue wise- have you any better ideas? I'm not fully sold on it myself as it goes.

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10 hours ago, RedLionLad said:

Not building a bus/coach station alongside our train station tells you everything you need to know about the council’s transport planners. That alone would have stopped so many unnecessary taxi journeys between the two sites.

Hey, but where would we have put the desperately needed twenty-one storey highrise student accommodation blocks if we'd put an integrated public transport hub bus station there handily adjacent to the train station? 

Come on RRL show some priorities eh?  

 

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1 minute ago, WhistleHappy said:

Hey, but where would we have put the desperately needed twenty-one storey highrise student accommodation blocks if we'd put an integrated public transport hub bus station there handily adjacent to the train station? 

Come on RRL show some priorities eh?  

 

Agree 1m% on this!

Still, in the coming decades I suspect significant lifestyle changes will be inevitable- but yes, totally agree- the student flat thing is just...well.

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21 hours ago, spudski said:

It's a bloody joke.

Reason Bristol is polluted is because of all the pedestrian crossings. Traffic is stood still not going anywhere.

Bridges and Subways were the answer...and we got rid of them.

Add to the fact a modern diesel is cleaner than a petrol car.

And public transport isn't efficient enough.

No, the reason Bristol is polluted is volume of traffic. There are far too many cars on our roads and no amount of traffic management is going to solve that fundamental problem. Much of the central area of Bristol is covered by an AQMA where the amount of carbon dioxide in the air is at levels which are dangerous to humans. Hundreds of people in Bristol lose their lives each year due to the city's air pollution problem. It's the same in most other cities in the UK with Leeds being one of the worst. I don't know about you but that says to me that urgent and divisive action is required? Bridges and subways ain't gonna cut the mustard.

Post-2013 diesel cars are better than pre-2013 ones. Frankly, the government should've have done a scrappage scheme on old "dirty" diesels years ago, I had one and believe me the stuff they pump out is disgusting. The government were even taken to court over this inaction (Andrea Leadsom was head of the department at the time, surprise, surprise). It's costing people their lives and she sat there and did nothing about it. Typical callous Tory, anyway I digress...

Modern diesels are not cleaner than petrol's because of the amount of nitrogen oxides they produce which have been linked to all manner of respiratory diseases. The government got this wrong as previously they thought modern diesels were cleaner but the VW emissions scandal proved this not to be the case.

I must admit I have a post-2013 diesel but personally I am fully in favour of anything that will clean up the air in our city in the shortest amount of time possible. Totally agree with others that the public transport needs sorting out too...…….

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I know its too late now, but does anyone have old plans of the rail network that used to serve Bristol and connect the surrounding  communities pre Beeching?  

Why the **** we continue trusting the wisdom of so called 'experts' after decades of incompetent systematic destruction of what was good and clearly obvious to anyone using a modicum of common sense... We're going around in ever decreasing circles 'fixing' (& f'ing up again) the disastrous 'fixes' of previous national and local authority incompetents. 

Too many cooks continue to spoil the broth, when what was always needed was a small think tank of knowledgeable people sat around a table with a pot of tea!  (whatever has happened to Britain's great engineers of yesteryear, they're all too clever and overqualified by half nowadays, over payed and common sense has been consigned to room 101.

A plan of those lost and lamented local rail lines and stations would without doubt show where it all went wrong... What a waste, Fishponds, StapleHill, Mangotsfield Oldland Common, Bitton etc etc all linked to Bristol /Bath.. Imagine what loops like we used to have such as these throughout the region would be worth nowadays.. Priceless and destroyed by bloody 'experts' .

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I'm not too bothered. Both our cars are diesel because we were doing lots of motorway miles but my next will be electric and the wife will probably do the same. If this restriction comes in I'll swap it out sooner (doubt it will pass).  Air quality is awful in Bristol and needs sorting. They should however sort out the park and ride options with proper funding and stop infilling flats everywhere. Bristol doesn't need more people, the UK needs more towns and villages not bigger cities.

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13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

No, the reason Bristol is polluted is volume of traffic. There are far too many cars on our roads and no amount of traffic management is going to solve that fundamental problem. Much of the central area of Bristol is covered by an AQMA where the amount of carbon dioxide in the air is at levels which are dangerous to humans. Hundreds of people in Bristol lose their lives each year due to the city's air pollution problem. It's the same in most other cities in the UK with Leeds being one of the worst. I don't know about you but that says to me that urgent and divisive action is required? Bridges and subways ain't gonna cut the mustard.

Post-2013 diesel cars are better than pre-2013 ones. Frankly, the government should've have done a scrappage scheme on old "dirty" diesels years ago, I had one and believe me the stuff they pump out is disgusting. The government were even taken to court over this inaction (Andrea Leadsom was head of the department at the time, surprise, surprise). It's costing people their lives and she sat there and did nothing about it. Typical callous Tory, anyway I digress...

Modern diesels are not cleaner than petrol's because of the amount of nitrogen oxides they produce which have been linked to all manner of respiratory diseases. The government got this wrong as previously they thought modern diesels were cleaner but the VW emissions scandal proved this not to be the case.

I must admit I have a post-2013 diesel but personally I am fully in favour of anything that will clean up the air in our city in the shortest amount of time possible. Totally agree with others that the public transport needs sorting out too...…….

Yes there is a massive amount of traffic...however the road system isn't conducive to keeping it moving. It's stationary on so many accounts because of traffic lights and Pedestrian crossing. You've only got to look at the amount between the M32 and bus depot. Madness... don't get me started on the four zebra crossings at St Mary Redcliffe roundabout.

The reason people still choose to drive is because the public transport system just isn't efficient enough. Everyone wants to do their bit for the environment...but it doesn't work...penalising people with Diesel cars is ridiculous. It makes no sense. Just a notion to get the Bristol Council noticed by the rest of the country.

As an Island that has limited room for infra structure we will eventually become like Hong Kong.

Just keep letting people in and watch us implode.

But some wise spark thinks banning a few diesels is going to make a difference... don't make me laugh.

And I don't even own a Diesel.

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Just now, spudski said:

Yes there is a massive amount of traffic...however the road system isn't conducive to keeping it moving. It's stationary on so many accounts because of traffic lights and Pedestrian crossing. You've only got to look at the amount between the M32 and bus depot. Madness... don't get me started on the four zebra crossings at St Mary Redcliffe roundabout.

No, it's not conducive to keeping traffic moving but I'm afraid it's a bit late to fix it now! I'd imagine the last thing people want is the whole of the road system to be dug up/more road works etc. Also, small point but a lot of cars post 2013 now have start-stop technology where the engine cuts at the lights so I'm not buying this as the big issue. It's number of vehicles. 

Just now, spudski said:

The reason people still choose to drive is because the public transport system just isn't efficient enough. Everyone wants to do their bit for the environment...but it doesn't work...penalising people with Diesel cars is ridiculous. It makes no sense. Just a notion to get the Bristol Council noticed by the rest of the country.

It's not a "notion". It's based on scientific evidence. Nitrogen oxides are dangerous to humans. 

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But some wise spark thinks banning a few diesels is going to make a difference... don't make me laugh.

And I don't even own a Diesel.

Even if it only saves a few lives surely it's worth doing? It's a small step along the way and whether you like it or not change is coming. Volvo don't even make petrol/diesels anymore, they're all hybrid or electric. 

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1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Volvo don't even make petrol/diesels anymore, they're all hybrid or electric. 

Well done on Volvo, but surely the bottom line is if everybody could afford an electric/hybrid car they surely wouldn't have an issue with buying/driving one - but they just cannot afford one. 

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30 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

No, it's not conducive to keeping traffic moving but I'm afraid it's a bit late to fix it now! I'd imagine the last thing people want is the whole of the road system to be dug up/more road works etc. Also, small point but a lot of cars post 2013 now have start-stop technology where the engine cuts at the lights so I'm not buying this as the big issue. It's number of vehicles. 

It's not a "notion". It's based on scientific evidence. Nitrogen oxides are dangerous to humans. 

Even if it only saves a few lives surely it's worth doing? It's a small step along the way and whether you like it or not change is coming. Volvo don't even make petrol/diesels anymore, they're all hybrid or electric. 

A good start would be for more Companies to get people to work from home. Many don't need to go into an office anymore with today's technology.

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2 hours ago, Nibor said:

I'm not too bothered. Both our cars are diesel because we were doing lots of motorway miles but my next will be electric and the wife will probably do the same. If this restriction comes in I'll swap it out sooner (doubt it will pass).  Air quality is awful in Bristol and needs sorting. They should however sort out the park and ride options with proper funding and stop infilling flats everywhere. Bristol doesn't need more people, the UK needs more towns and villages not bigger cities.

I would have an electric car for my daily commute, but I can’t afford one, so that’s out of the window.  I need my diesel vehicle for my life away from work, so no choice in that at the moment, unless I give up my hobbies and social life.

Public transport is a joke, I live 12 miles from work, one side of Bristol to the other, 35 minutes from my drive to my work parking space, buses would be a minimum of 1:45 each way, with either two or 3 buses being involved , plus the walking times. So realistically, with bus waiting times and walking times, 2-3 hours each way to work.  That isn’t happening.

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

A good start would be for more Companies to get people to work from home. Many don't need to go into an office anymore with today's technology.

Depends on your job. I think the HSE would take a dim view of my chemical plant being remotely operated!

But yeah, definitely a lot of pen pusher type jobs.

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I haven’t read all the article, but is this all diesel vehicles or just privately owned ones? If it is all, and I think it is, then what about all the company diesel vehicles used for deliveries and services, eg Water, electric etc. A family member works for a utility company and he is in and out of the city centre several times a day. What is he meant to do, park up and carry his tools ( not possible by the way)

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4 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I would have an electric car for my daily commute, but I can’t afford one, so that’s out of the window.  I need my diesel vehicle for my life away from work, so no choice in that at the moment, unless I give up my hobbies and social life.

Public transport is a joke, I live 12 miles from work, one side of Bristol to the other, 35 minutes from my drive to my work parking space, buses would be a minimum of 1:45 each way, with either two or 3 buses being involved , plus the walking times. So realistically, with bus waiting times and walking times, 2-3 hours each way to work.  That isn’t happening.

There are many ways to handle the situation you describe, they don't all involve driving a diesel through the centre of the city twice a day.

Banning diesels in the centre may not be the best solution to the dangerous level of air pollution or the only solution or the one selected but fundamentally I'd suggest health trumps convenience.

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9 minutes ago, Nibor said:

There are many ways to handle the situation you describe, they don't all involve driving a diesel through the centre of the city twice a day.

Banning diesels in the centre may not be the best solution to the dangerous level of air pollution or the only solution or the one selected but fundamentally I'd suggest health trumps convenience.

Really, many ways for me to get to work, there really aren’t, it’s the bus or drive and I am not spending up to 6 hours a day traveling to and from work.  I am more fortunate than some, I have reasonably flexible hours and work from home some days, but can’t work from home every day, that’s purely due to the nature of the job.

I already try to circuit Bristol, but the incompetence in building a ring road doesn’t help.  A ring road should have slip roads on and off, not traffic lights, roundabouts and intersections.  

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3 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Really, many ways for me to get to work, there really aren’t, it’s the bus or drive and I am not spending up to 6 hours a day traveling to and from work.  I am more fortunate than some, I have reasonably flexible hours and work from home some days, but can’t work from home every day, that’s purely due to the nature of the job.

I already try to circuit Bristol, but the incompetence in building a ring road doesn’t help.  A ring road should have slip roads on and off, not traffic lights, roundabouts and intersections.  

Move house

Switch jobs

Buy a non diesel runabout

Car share

All some level of inconvenient, sure, but less so than dying.

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24 minutes ago, RedM said:

I haven’t read all the article, but is this all diesel vehicles or just privately owned ones? If it is all, and I think it is, then what about all the company diesel vehicles used for deliveries and services, eg Water, electric etc. A family member works for a utility company and he is in and out of the city centre several times a day. What is he meant to do, park up and carry his tools ( not possible by the way)

Not just privately owned ones, RedM.

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2 hours ago, spudski said:

A good start would be for more Companies to get people to work from home. Many don't need to go into an office anymore with today's technology.

A lot do don't they? 1.5m people work from home in the UK so say the latest figures. That's not a silver bullet though and comes with its own issues of productivity and mental health issues. 

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1 hour ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

That's incorrect, you can buy a number of brand new Volvo's with a turbo diesel engine as well as turbocharged and supercharged petrol engines.

As well as mild-hybrid petrol and diesel.

Yeah looks like they went back on their 2019 promise. 50% of all sales to be electric by 2025 now https://electrek.co/2018/04/25/volvo-electrification-plan-fully-electric/ 

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3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Your situation sounds less than ideal, and naturally I have sympathy with it and people in your boat.

However, OTOH wider issue wise- have you any better ideas? I'm not fully sold on it myself as it goes.

I understand the congestion/pollution charge approach - I have to deal with it if (very rarely) I venture into London. But banning them is not practicable in my eyes.

I generally take the train if coming to Ashton Gate but I have a daughter at UWE who has "lots of stuff" that I have to move around! Not tried your suggestion of getting to Bristol by boat yet but sounds like an interesting challenge ;)

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29 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Move house - Doesn't solve the issue, as Mrs Maesknoll works a mile or so from home and she'd then be the one driving across town, pointless.

Switch jobs - Happily, if there was any work in South Bristol that paid the same, with the same terms and conditions, there isn't.

Buy a non diesel runabout - who is going to pay for that?  If I bought an old petrol runabout, I doubt its any cleaner than my new(ish) Euro 5 diesel, which was widely promoted as the way to go, to change that and offer no solution to people who bought into it, is not very helpful.

Car share - Flexi hours, working from home some days, working away and plenty of meetings in other parts of the country, not practical even if I could find someone who works anywhere near me and wants to work the same hours.

All some level of inconvenient, sure, but less so than dying. - by inconvenient, you mean prohibitively expensive 

 

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41 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

A lot do don't they? 1.5m people work from home in the UK so say the latest figures. That's not a silver bullet though and comes with its own issues of productivity and mental health issues. 

It's not many in a population close to 70 million.

I'd also be doing what they do in America. School buses...get every mother off the roads in the morning and afternoon. It's not Rocket Science is it...so many things can be altered.

What's boiled my piss is modern diesel cars are the least of our worries. Council should be making things run smoother not harder.

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Carrot before stick required.

 Get a decent public transport and parking strategy in place then ban all non-electric vehicles from the City Centre.

 

Pathetic that I still can’t use the Long Ashton Park and Ride to park my car and walk to AG. The well-used ‘football special’ serving NW Bristol withdrawn at the last minute with no explanation this Season. Even worse, the very limited  £100 million plus Metro Bus (which seems to take the most tortuous routes involving as many high-congestion junctions as possible to get from A-B) won’t pick anyone up from around AG on matchdays, meaning a long walk into the City Centre to catch another bus back to Westbury.

Just three examples there of Bristol’s inept transportation system and what a total out-of-his -depth idiot your Mayor is. 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Carrot before stick required.

 Get a decent public transport and parking strategy in place then ban all non-electric vehicles from the City Centre.

 

Pathetic that I still can’t use the Long Ashton Park and Ride to park my car and walk to AG. The well-used ‘football special’ serving NW Bristol withdrawn at the last minute with no explanation this Season. Even worse, the very limited  £100 million plus Metro Bus (which seems to take the most tortuous routes involving as many high-congestion junctions as possible to get from A-B) won’t pick anyone up from around AG on matchdays, meaning a long walk into the City Centre to catch another bus back to Westbury.

Just three examples there of Bristol’s inept transportation Governance system and what a total out-of-his -depth idiot your Mayor is. 

 

 

Rest assured, it started well before the last couple of Mayors. 😆

Pretty appropriate to amend for accuracy too.

Bus into the centre though? No. 24 will do that, from the park.

Couldn't agree more about the nonsense of a lack of metro bus on Matchday though.

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25 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Rest assured, it started well before the last couple of Mayors. 😆

Pretty appropriate to amend for accuracy too.

Bus into the centre though? No. 24 will do that, from the park.

Couldn't agree more about the nonsense of a lack of metro bus on Matchday though.

Accept that. The others didn’t ban cars from the City Centre though.

Is the No24 the one that stops near the entry to the park by the Natch Wall? Always seems that demand outstrips the supply of buses if so. 

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3 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Accept that. The others didn’t ban cars from the City Centre though.

Is the No24 the one that stops near the entry to the park by the Natch Wall? Always seems that demand outstrips the supply of buses if so. 

Government targets play a role- suppose part of it is something drastic to show or try to bring about compliance?

That's it yeah. Think lately there have been some double deckers for it, which helps- but yes, demand can also outstrip supply atm (unsurprisingly) and may involve a bit of a wait.

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59 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Government targets play a role- suppose part of it is something drastic to show or try to bring about compliance?

That's it yeah. Think lately there have been some double deckers for it, which helps- but yes, demand can also outstrip supply atm (unsurprisingly) and may involve a bit of a wait.

Cheers for the response.

I think though when demand outstrips supply for public transport you buy more buses to make that mode of transport attractive for potential future users, not just move to prohibit people using certain types of car.

Seems also this is more of a political than a science-based action. My Euro6 diesel is far cleaner than most petrol cars on the road.

 

 

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4 hours ago, spudski said:

It's not many in a population close to 70 million.

About 32 million working adults in the UK. The number of home workers is increasing year on year but I don't see why that has to be the answer when there will be cleaner vehicles available to the masses in the next 5-10 years.

4 hours ago, spudski said:

I'd also be doing what they do in America. School buses...get every mother off the roads in the morning and afternoon. It's not Rocket Science is it...so many things can be altered.

What's boiled my piss is modern diesel cars are the least of our worries. Council should be making things run smoother not harder.

They are contributing towards deadly levels of air pollution so I think we should be concerned and take action. We need to look to the future, not be stuck in the past!

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Maybe a better starting point, until public transport or electric vehicles become viable and affordable, would a scheme as in France, Crit’air, whereby a sticker in your windscreen denotes the Euro compliance standard and when you can and can’t enter Paris and other large cities with older more polluting vehicles.  Even visitors have to get them - got one in the van I take to France,.

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The sudden move to ban all diesels seems to me to be an over-reaction (due to lateness) of the current elected mayor. A large City Hall-shaped hammer to crack a festering nut. What might happen to these glorious plans if Marv gets the same treatment as Red Trousers? Who will take the baton?

And as for the congestion charge, I have this strange vision: instead of employing state-of-the-art ANPR and contactless payment systems, we will end up with lots of little roadside booths at the boundaries with council operatives peeking out of them, complete with a hi-vis jacket and a leather pouch to take the money. Traffic queues will extend to Swindon and Weston, causing even more pollution. You heard it here first.

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But diesel is better for the environment apparently. Less co2, and the wonderful eu put strict limits on co2 emissions in the nineties to tackle global warming (around the same time as vw were pushing their unique tdi engine coincidently). So, for the last 20+ years we've been encouraged to buy diesel cars. In fact it seems as if every other car on the road is a German built diesel. 

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8 hours ago, RedRock said:

Accept that. The others didn’t ban cars from the City Centre though.

Is the No24 the one that stops near the entry to the park by the Natch Wall? Always seems that demand outstrips the supply of buses if so. 

Psst,  tip,  .. catch no 24 from outside The Robins (Ashton vale) just a few minutes walk, beat the crowds, virtually guaranteed a seat... short walk well worth the effort imho. 

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Yikes! Thought the ban area would be the City Centre!

They’re cutting the City in half!!!!

Why the **** has Bridge Valley Road, Cumberland Basin and the Portway (part) been included? Traffic chaos.

Imagine the drivers going down The Portway or M32 and slamming the breaks on and performing a u turn cause they’ve  got to the Clean Air Zone!!!

 

 

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Mayor Rees was on 5 live yesterday evening just before 5. Sounded like it was a panic measure for he had to do something. 
He was asked about workmen getting into centre for work, he said they were working on a scheme to sort it, which also helped the poor and vulnerable so they wouldn’t be penalised.

Also he said scheme would be 7am till 3pm, but never said why those times.

He didn’t sound very convincing and was more interested in saying he was treated unfairly last time he was on and this is the solution but had no answers to the solution.

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Banning solely diesels will not solve the pollution problems in a city.

My car is petrol and I pay £570 a year car tax because of the emissions it chucks out.

IMO I don't think banning any vehicle from the city centre is the way to combat the problem.

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