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Redandproud

Poppies at the MEM

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Did online else see what colour poppies the gas laid at the MEM today on TV , BLUE, why should they be any different,I find that very offending ,towards our troops,football colours shouldn't come into it,

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Apparently purple poppies are for animals (horses / dogs) which suffered in the war. 

Probably something instigated at the Mem by Dopey....?

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Why is it offensive?

Why should you be offended, did you fight in a war at all? The only people that have a right to be offended by anything related to it are the people directly affected... i.e. not you.

You can be surprised about it and question the integrity of it but you've no right to be offended.

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I think what the OP was driving at was the fact that people were getting all sorts of shit a few years ago for wearing white poppies, but it's ok for them to change the colour as you wouldn't be seen dead wearing red ?

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50 minutes ago, Red DNA said:

Apparently purple poppies are for animals (horses / dogs) which suffered in the war. 

Probably something instigated at the Mem by Dopey....?

Horses punched in their line of duty?

Arsey comments aside, I understand that previously those associated with the Mem have usually gone the extra mile as far as remembrance goes.

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1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

Did online else see what colour poppies the gas laid at the MEM today on TV , BLUE, why should they be any different,I find that very offending ,towards our troops,football colours shouldn't come into it,

What a load of bollocks

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1 hour ago, TBW said:

Why is it offensive?

Why should you be offended, did you fight in a war at all? The only people that have a right to be offended by anything related to it are the people directly affected... i.e. not you.

You can be surprised about it and question the integrity of it but you've no right to be offended.

My father thought for this country,don't tell me I've no right to be offended, young boy,

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12 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

What a load of bollocks

With that comment,wouldn't have thought your old enough to understand,my father thought for his life for people like you

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I just cannot understand why, just for once, they cannot accommodate the colour red, just like the rest of the country ?

What next, claret and blue poppies at Villa ?

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4 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

I just cannot understand why, just for once, they cannot accommodate the colour red, just like the rest of the country ?

What next, claret and blue poppies at Villa ?

THANK YOU, someone with intelligence at last,

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20 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

My father thought for this country,don't tell me I've no right to be offended, young boy,

What was he thinking?

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1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said:

Not worth getting in a fuss over. It's a pointless object that we assign arbitrary meaning to. The important thing is that we are grateful for sacrifices made and spend some time today thinking about that.

Just comes across as ridiculously immature. It’s the sort of thing a child would do, not grown adults 

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1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

Did online else see what colour poppies the gas laid at the MEM today on TV , BLUE, why should they be any different,I find that very offending ,towards our troops,football colours shouldn't come into it,

Whilst I don't find it offensive, I agree with your sentiment.

The red poppy is the most famous symbol used to commemorate those who sacrificed their lives in World War One and conflicts that followed. Wearing a poppy was inspired by the fields of poppies that grew where many of the battles were fought. The red poppy is connected to the Royal British Legion, a charity created by veterans of World War One.

The red poppy represents remembrance and hope for the future.

There are other coloured poppies such as purple representing animals who served and died (as if they knew), and the black poppy representing black people who fought and died (as if there needed to be a distinction). And then there is the white poppy representing those who think the war(s) were legalised murder (or those who would rather surrender to oppressors in other words).

Can't find any reference to blue poppies and just seems a small time, insignificant, pathetic, childish, little "look at us" gesture to me, unfortunately belittling the whole concept.

 

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15 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

THANK YOU, someone with intelligence at last,

I'm with you mate. Keep your head down and only discuss football issues on internet forums. Save anything else warranting historical knowledge for real conversations, face to face👀

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37 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

My father thought for this country,don't tell me I've no right to be offended, young boy,

So he can be offended. You can be offended on other people's behalf.

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46 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

With that comment,wouldn't have thought your old enough to understand,my father thought for his life for people like you

I am in the military mate doing the same for you don't try to point score. The sentiment is still there regardless of colour of the poppy.

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4 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

I am in the military mate doing the same for you don't try to point score. The sentiment is still there regardless of colour of the poppy.

What 'mob you in ??....

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For its meanings and being such a iconic Remembrance Day symbol I do find it abit poor from them to change it to suit their own agenda.

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7 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Whilst I don't find it offensive, I agree with your sentiment.

The red poppy is the most famous symbol used to commemorate those who sacrificed their lives in World War One and conflicts that followed. Wearing a poppy was inspired by the fields of poppies that grew where many of the battles were fought. The red poppy is connected to the Royal British Legion, a charity created by veterans of World War One.

The red poppy represents remembrance and hope for the future.

There are other coloured poppies such as purple representing animals who served and died (as if they knew), and the black poppy representing black people who fought and died (as if there needed to be a distinction). And then there is the white poppy representing those who think the war(s) were legalised murder (or those who would rather surrender to oppressors in other words).

Can't find any reference to blue poppies and just seems a small time, insignificant, pathetic, childish, little "look at us" gesture to me, unfortunately belittling the whole concept.

 

I’ve been working in the army camp in Warminster this past month and noticed blue poppies but they were French.

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If it was done simply because they don't want anything to do with the colour red, I would say that was a pathetic gesture but then nothing would surprise me from that pathetic club.

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9 hours ago, City Cat said:

I'm with you mate. Keep your head down and only discuss football issues on internet forums. Save anything else warranting historical knowledge for real conversations, face to face👀

The gas has made it a football issue, by having "blue" poppies not RED, as there statement "I'd rather be dead than red", 

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9 hours ago, Redandproud said:

My father thought for this country,don't tell me I've no right to be offended, young boy,

He did a wonderful service but I'm not sure he was sat in the trenches thinking 'Those bastards better use red poppies to remember our sacrifice'

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My personal view is the changing of the colour of the poppy is a disgrace, and I don't agree with that at all.  I  also can't understand the people on here who have suggested it isn't a big deal.  The red poppy is a massively important symbol and the colour is a large part of that symbol. Changing the colour is a crass and a shitty thing to do, which is probably keeping true to the identity of Rovers.

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They're showing their respects, just re-branding it slightly to make it more relevant to themselves. There are ****tons of sticks to beat them, this isn't one of them.

A classic example of people choosing to be offended here imo. They're remembering the fallen, and they're paying respect to them, that's what matters.

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1 hour ago, Rossi the Robin said:

Just chatting to a gas head - he said they had red poppies as well 

The red poppies were from the war veterans,not players or staff, they were "Blue" as shown on TV,

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53 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

They're showing their respects, just re-branding it slightly to make it more relevant to themselves. There are ****tons of sticks to beat them, this isn't one of them.

A classic example of people choosing to be offended here imo. They're remembering the fallen, and they're paying respect to them, that's what matters.

Indeed, this whole fawning over the poppy is very strange, it's a relatively new thing that has come out of nowhere. I remember as a kid some people used to wear poppies some didn't and nobody cared, now it seems as if people are derided for not wearing them. 

I couldn't care less of rovers wanted to change the colour of the poppy as long as they take part in the remembrance, as that is all the should ******* matter, not some people's thin skins on behalf of others. 

If rovers wanted to encourage their fans to disrespect the silence then fair enough, but jesus christ who cares what colour the poppy is as long as they honour the fallen? 

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As long as the money is going to the poppy appeal it really doesn't matter what colour they are, as stated it is a manufactured symbol used for fundraising purposes so the colour isn't particularly relevant.

Also, I would say Rovers have more of a right to rebrand the symbol than others given that it was at the Memorial Stadium.

If they were cashing in in someway by using their own poppies then I would have a serious issue with it. 

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24 minutes ago, Spud55 said:

Indeed, this whole fawning over the poppy is very strange, it's a relatively new thing that has come out of nowhere. I remember as a kid some people used to wear poppies some didn't and nobody cared, now it seems as if people are derided for not wearing them. 

I couldn't care less of rovers wanted to change the colour of the poppy as long as they take part in the remembrance, as that is all the should ******* matter, not some people's thin skins on behalf of others. 

If rovers wanted to encourage their fans to disrespect the silence then fair enough, but jesus christ who cares what colour the poppy is as long as they honour the fallen? 

It does matter, poppies are traditional RED, not black not blue ,(which it has been since the war,), I consider black or blue poppies as an insult to our troops who thought for this country

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So we get upset about the colour of a symbol, surely It’s more important that the money raised is correctly used (Lots of debate about that recently) and that the Government actually looks after all veterans properly. Maybe also learn the lessons of both major conflicts, and recent interventions,  so that we don’t keep repeating the same mistakes.

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45 minutes ago, Spud55 said:

Indeed, this whole fawning over the poppy is very strange, it's a relatively new thing that has come out of nowhere. I remember as a kid some people used to wear poppies some didn't and nobody cared, now it seems as if people are derided for not wearing them. 

I couldn't care less of rovers wanted to change the colour of the poppy as long as they take part in the remembrance, as that is all the should ******* matter, not some people's thin skins on behalf of others. 

If rovers wanted to encourage their fans to disrespect the silence then fair enough, but jesus christ who cares what colour the poppy is as long as they honour the fallen? 

Yep. People more bothered about being seen to be doing the right thing than what the poppy is supposed to represent.

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12 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Horses punched in their line of duty?

Arsey comments aside, I understand that previously those associated with the Mem have usually gone the extra mile as far as remembrance goes.

Yeah Combination rugby clubs.

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1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

The red poppies were from the war veterans,not players or staff, they were "Blue" as shown on TV,

To emphasise the showing of respect from their football club - some would see it as making extra effort 

I’m all for bashing the gas but not even close on this occasion 

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I think remembering the armistice and the sacrifice that millions made in the two world wars is a superb thing, and I completely agree with having remembrance ceremonies at football and major events, as well as the major wreath laying ceremony at the cenotaph but I'm increasingly starting to feel like the poppy symbol causes so much argument and one-upmanship that it might be better to ditch it entirely.

I realise that is not going to be a popular view but I also think that you can easily wear a poppy as a show of remembrance yet not spend a second thinking about the sacrifice people made in the two wars and you can easily not wear a poppy yet think deeply about that sacrifice. The poppy increasingly feels like a stick people use to beat other people with or try to out-do each other on over their displays of remembrance and I think that detracts massively from its original purpose as a thoughtful, considered statement of remembrance.

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5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think remembering the armistice and the sacrifice that millions made in the two world wars is a superb thing, and I completely agree with having remembrance ceremonies at football and major events, as well as the major wreath laying ceremony at the cenotaph but I'm increasingly starting to feel like the poppy symbol causes so much argument and one-upmanship that it might be better to ditch it entirely.

I realise that is not going to be a popular view but I also think that you can easily wear a poppy as a show of remembrance yet not spend a second thinking about the sacrifice people made in the two wars and you can easily not wear a poppy yet think deeply about that sacrifice. The poppy increasingly feels like a stick people use to beat other people with or try to out-do each other on over their displays of remembrance and I think that detracts massively from its original purpose as a thoughtful, considered statement of remembrance.

Yep, there is definitely something not quite right nowadays although i'll always wear one..

It is a money spinner for the RBL though and I believe the proceeds are used to help veterans who don't appear to be a priority for successive governments.

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1 hour ago, Quedgeley Exile said:

The French use a blue cornflower not a poppy

And if it was the same over here I would have no problem wearing it. I certainly wouldn't consider looking for a red cornflower. 

Yes I can understand some clubs wearing blue and white Santa hats for example, but no the poppy shouldn't be messed with out of respect for what it represents.

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If the Royal British Legion has no objections to different colour poppies I'm not sure why others should

'The Royal British Legion has no objection to any other colour of Poppy in principle, and some volunteers wear these side by side. '

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10 minutes ago, Big C said:

If the Royal British Legion has no objections to different colour poppies I'm not sure why others should

'The Royal British Legion has no objection to any other colour of Poppy in principle, and some volunteers wear these side by side. '

Key word here though is in "Principle"

Just realised those no marks up the road didn't have anything on their shirt either

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6 minutes ago, phantom said:

Key word here though is in "Principle"

Just realised those no marks up the road didn't have anything on their shirt either

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Neither did one of our players on Sunday and I can't see on the Bromley Shirt either

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9 minutes ago, Big C said:

Neither did one of our players on Sunday and I can't see on the Bromley Shirt either

Who was that @Big C?

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41 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think remembering the armistice and the sacrifice that millions made in the two world wars is a superb thing, and I completely agree with having remembrance ceremonies at football and major events, as well as the major wreath laying ceremony at the cenotaph but I'm increasingly starting to feel like the poppy symbol causes so much argument and one-upmanship that it might be better to ditch it entirely.

I realise that is not going to be a popular view but I also think that you can easily wear a poppy as a show of remembrance yet not spend a second thinking about the sacrifice people made in the two wars and you can easily not wear a poppy yet think deeply about that sacrifice. The poppy increasingly feels like a stick people use to beat other people with or try to out-do each other on over their displays of remembrance and I think that detracts massively from its original purpose as a thoughtful, considered statement of remembrance.

LB ITS not just two wars it involves and includes the citizens of all the countries under the commonwealth. This also includes the Korea war, Vietnam war and others. There are hundreds of thousands that have given their lives to the commonwealth. In Australia last Monday Ozzie time at 11.00am there as a minute silence across the country. It remembers Ozzie diggers, pommie service men and woman, even the massive numbers of American army based in the Northern Territory  of Australia at this present time respected a minute silence. It is not the colour of the poppy it is the symbol that rings respect. Who gives a s%$t what the gas or others have what they think a colour of a poppy should be. It is the respect what counts. I might be a bit biased but red is the appropriate colour for me and its the colour me and my family wear on this great day both in the UK and in OZ.

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Who was that @Big C?

I noticed that Kalas wasn't wearing one and I was wondering if it was an East European thing but then noticed that Nagy was (different countries I know)

 

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