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Raheem Sterling

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Has been dropped for the game on Thursday due to an occurrence in a private team area following the Liverpool game, wonder what that must have been? pretty serious by the sound of it.

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4 minutes ago, pillred said:

Has been dropped for the game on Thursday due to an occurrence in a private team area following the Liverpool game, wonder what that must have been? pretty serious by the sound of it.

Had a row with Joe Gomez towards the end of the Liverpool-City game, then tried to restart the argument when they met up with England.

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 Gareth Southgate said "We have taken the decision to not consider Raheem for the match against Montenegro on Thursday. My feeling is that the right thing for the team is the action we have taken. Now that the decision has been made with the agreement of the entire squad, it's important that we support the players and focus on Thursday night."


It would appear that Stirling has stepped out of line.

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If Sterling has done something wrong then he fully deserves to effectively be suspended.

However it does show a naivety on Southgates part to call the players involved in that game into training the morning after. I'm not trying to shift any blame but it's been well documented in the past that England players didn't get on too well due to club rivalries. 

Southgate should have given them all the morning/day off to avoid situations like this. 

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2 hours ago, Up The City! said:

If Sterling has done something wrong then he fully deserves to effectively be suspended.

However it does show a naivety on Southgates part to call the players involved in that game into training the morning after. I'm not trying to shift any blame but it's been well documented in the past that England players didn't get on too well due to club rivalries. 

Southgate should have given them all the morning/day off to avoid situations like this. 

Southgate 1000000% in the right to do that,

england have to work as a team, and bad blood has to be stopped there and then,

sterling couldn’t let it go and started it off again therefore he’s dropped and rightly so,

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7 hours ago, hodge said:

Gomez just stepping away rather than getting goaded 

The media after hearing something negative about Sterling

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Beat me to it. The Sun et all will be all over this like a rash. 

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1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Southgate 1000000% in the right to do that,

england have to work as a team, and bad blood has to be stopped there and then,

sterling couldn’t let it go and started it off again therefore he’s dropped and rightly so,

Spot on. If players can’t put club rivalry aside when they meet up for England, whether it’s an hour, a day, or a month after the game, then they shouldn’t be in the squad. 

Why should Southgate pussy foot around it because of some petulant spat that happened in the Premier League. If playing for your country isn’t enough motivation to put a pin in it until you’re back to club duty then don’t be involved, simple. 

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That situation should have been managed and was likely entirely preventable. 

It was clear that there was an issue between the two players. First thing to do would have been to talk to them individually, then jointly and defuse things.

No doubt the mega-wealthy FA have a number of ‘experts’ in player psychology in the back-up team. Where were they? Where was the Plan?  

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4 minutes ago, jj77 said:

Would it not have been beneficial to send Gomez back to his club and not the most in form player?

What precedent does that set? 

Let the best player run the dressing room and everyone else bow down to them? Southgate included? 

Sound like it's been well managed by Southgate and co, and likely exaggerated by the media. 

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4 minutes ago, jj77 said:

Would it not have been beneficial to send Gomez back to his club and not the most in form player?

Without knowing who did/said wha in this case, the danger is that you would be like Derby - punishing  a player based on his value to the club/team, not on what they have , or have not, done.

 

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2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

Southgate 1000000% in the right to do that,

england have to work as a team, and bad blood has to be stopped there and then,

sterling couldn’t let it go and started it off again therefore he’s dropped and rightly so,

Nah I dont agree. 

It was a huge game of significant importance. It is plainly obvious that emotions are still going to be raw what 16 hours later? 

We don't know what happened so it's hard to judge but in my mind it could have been easily avoided had he given those involved in that game a day off. 

Now this next game is going to be overshadowed by this incident.

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1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Spot on. If players can’t put club rivalry aside when they meet up for England, whether it’s an hour, a day, or a month after the game, then they shouldn’t be in the squad. 

Why should Southgate pussy foot around it because of some petulant spat that happened in the Premier League. If playing for your country isn’t enough motivation to put a pin in it until you’re back to club duty then don’t be involved, simple. 

They are humans, not robots. If I was a Man City fan I'd be absolutely delighted that one of our players was still wound up about losing the next day. 

Not being funny mate but playing for England doesn't have the significance it once did and what you like to think it does. Club football comes first these days.

Southgate mishandled this whole situation. 

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8 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

They are humans, not robots. If I was a Man City fan I'd be absolutely delighted that one of our players was still wound up about losing the next day. 

Not being funny mate but playing for England doesn't have the significance it once did and what you like to think it does. Club football comes first these days.

Southgate mishandled this whole situation. 

Nonsense. I’d say he handled it well. One of his players acted unprofessionally and he’s been dropped. 

If Sterling can’t keep his emotions in check the next day because his team lost a game  then he should be nowhere near the camp anyway. One person to blame here and it’s not Southgate. 

It’s the nature of the business that you’re going to clash with international colleagues on the club stage. But if you can’t separate the two you’ve got learning to do. 

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38 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Without knowing who did/said wha in this case, the danger is that you would be like Derby - punishing  a player based on his value to the club/team, not on what they have , or have not, done.

Exactly. Given that it’s only Sterling dropped, it speaks volumes about who was the aggressor in the incident. Not a chance Southgate treats them differently if they were equally culpable. 

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1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Nonsense. I’d say he handled it well. One of his players acted unprofessionally and he’s been dropped. 

If Sterling can’t keep his emotions in check the next day because his team lost a game  then he should be nowhere near the camp anyway. One person to blame here and it’s not Southgate. 

It’s the nature of the business that you’re going to clash with international colleagues on the club stage. But if you can’t separate the two you’ve got learning to do. 

Liverpool fan by any chance?

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1 hour ago, RedRock said:

That situation should have been managed and was likely entirely preventable. 

It was clear that there was an issue between the two players. First thing to do would have been to talk to them individually, then jointly and defuse things.

No doubt the mega-wealthy FA have a number of ‘experts’ in player psychology in the back-up team. Where were they? Where was the Plan?  

Was it? All the reports say that they'd embraced on the pitch after the game on Sunday, which would suggest that it had been forgotten about. Certainly seems like Gomez thought it was anyway.

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21 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

Liverpool fan by any chance?

No I’m a Bristol city fan, Stirling is rightly being punished for being a *****......again,

read what Rio had to say about it, he goes on about the “golden generation” and one of the reasons they didn’t win anything was because they couldn’t put club rivalries aside

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42 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

Nah I dont agree. 

It was a huge game of significant importance. It is plainly obvious that emotions are still going to be raw what 16 hours later? 

We don't know what happened so it's hard to judge but in my mind it could have been easily avoided had he given those involved in that game a day off. 

Now this next game is going to be overshadowed by this incident.

A day off? You do realise the game is on Thursday? 

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2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

No I’m a Bristol city fan, Stirling is rightly being punished for being a *****......again,

read what Rio had to say about it, he goes on about the “golden generation” and one of the reasons they didn’t win anything was because they couldn’t put club rivalries aside

Yep. For years you had the situation where the players would stick with their mates from their own club, eating on seperate tables and not mixing with the rest of the squad, and it didn't do them any favours on the pitch. Southgate has done a lot of work trying to change all that and we've seen the results.

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1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

Yep. For years you had the situation where the players would stick with their mates from their own club, eating on seperate tables and not mixing with the rest of the squad, and it didn't do them any favours on the pitch. Southgate has done a lot of work trying to change all that and we've seen the results.

Just a shame we can’t defend, mind you that seems to be a common theme in the modern game these days

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Fair play to Southgate for acting swiftly, best player or not, shows he's the boss and not to be messed about. That's what a manager is paid to do. Take the lead, set examples, have rules n boundries.

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Good write up on sky sports highlighting what happened and Henderson stepping in via a conference call,

also Stirling admitting he’s in the wrong,

well handled by Henderson and Southgate, the correct punishment accepted by Stirling who also apologised 

issue should now be dropped

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Nothing to do with the incident, but I'm surprised Gomez is in the squad, hardly getting much game time at Liverpool, is he?

Sterling has been a bit of a moron I reckon, not befitting a professional at all.

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1 hour ago, Up The City! said:

They are humans, not robots. If I was a Man City fan I'd be absolutely delighted that one of our players was still wound up about losing the next day. 

Not being funny mate but playing for England doesn't have the significance it once did and what you like to think it does. Club football comes first these days.

Southgate mishandled this whole situation. 

Not very patriotic a view point, Mr Brexit. 

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2 hours ago, RedRock said:

That situation should have been managed and was likely entirely preventable. 

It was clear that there was an issue between the two players. First thing to do would have been to talk to them individually, then jointly and defuse things.

No doubt the mega-wealthy FA have a number of ‘experts’ in player psychology in the back-up team. Where were they? Where was the Plan?  

One was Bill Beswick. He would almost certainly suggest something like that and point out players conflicts are normal. they can be turned around into positives, anger as an energy can be focussed and used to improve performance .. He may have also suggested it had gone too far and some time on the reflective naughty step could improve relations.

Its questionable that making this public has any benefit. It should be kept internal. The Manager should have the players backs. A player grabs another by the neck .. If that is what happened. So what! Southgate will have seen far worse and may have done worse himself.

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10 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said:

England best players has been dropped in favour of a player whose played one game for Liverpool because of a bit of needle. Good call Gareth!!!

Yeah, we should just let him behave how he wants...

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Northern red didn't say that. he has hardly levelled another player. its a scratch. if England were not playing a County with a tiny population and needed to win the game would Sterling be be dropped? no way. Now its the news right up to the game. happens all the time players having a pop at each other. wonder what Keane, Dixon, Keown, Shearer would make of a scratching being made news like this. Ferdinand has come out and said Southgate is wrong.

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5 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said:

Northern red didn't say that. he has hardly levelled another player. its a scratch. if England were not playing a County with a tiny population and needed to win the game would Sterling be be dropped? no way. Now its the news right up to the game. happens all the time players having a pop at each other. wonder what Keane, Dixon, Keown, Shearer would make of a scratching being made news like this. Ferdinand has come out and said Southgate is wrong.

That’s why those players never won any international tournament 

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5 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said:

Northern red didn't say that. he has hardly levelled another player. its a scratch. if England were not playing a County with a tiny population and needed to win the game would Sterling be be dropped? no way. Now its the news right up to the game. happens all the time players having a pop at each other. wonder what Keane, Dixon, Keown, Shearer would make of a scratching being made news like this. Ferdinand has come out and said Southgate is wrong.

Surely as it is a game we should expect to win it's the best time to set a precedent?

Players less likely to step out of line in the future if they know the concequences and its unlikely to effect englands qualification.

1 minute ago, Trueredsupporter said:

those players were winner and won more than Southgate. you think other nations don't have internal problems?? Spain Barca and Real. the Catalans??? you manage it to keep the best on the pitch.

They have won the same amount at international level as Southgate. **** all.

Is this the same Spain who admitted they failed to win anything for decades due to club alligences spliting them down the middle so they actively took steps to solving it?

If club differences are starting to split the england camp it needs to be stopped asap. Something Southgate has taken steps towards.  The fact it probably wont harm the team qualifying is a bonus. 

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24 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said:

those players were winner and won more than Southgate. you think other nations don't have internal problems?? Spain Barca and Real. the Catalans??? you manage it to keep the best on the pitch.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/gerard-pique-a-long-story

Pique details it quite well here. 

They hate each other when they're involved with rival clubs, but put it aside when playing for the national team because they (madrid players like Ramos) are "brothers on the Spanish national team". 

The point is that they don't need managing, as the players recognise it's their responsibility (not the managers) to ensure they leave club baggage with their clubs and fully commit "as brothers" for their national team. 

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3 hours ago, Up The City! said:

They are humans, not robots. 

And adults and professionals too. Sounds like it wasn’t adult or professional behaviour so it has been dealt with. I’d say that was fair. 

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56 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said:

Northern red didn't say that. he has hardly levelled another player. its a scratch. if England were not playing a County with a tiny population and needed to win the game would Sterling be be dropped? no way. Now its the news right up to the game. happens all the time players having a pop at each other. wonder what Keane, Dixon, Keown, Shearer would make of a scratching being made news like this. Ferdinand has come out and said Southgate is wrong.

With all due respect you weren’t party to the incident and don’t know the full ins and outs of what’s gone on.

The fact that Sterling has issued an immediate and public apology makes it pretty obvious who was in the wrong. 

Southgate’s done the right thing and sent the message that it doesn’t matter how big of a ‘name’ you are - you can’t go acting like a *** and getting away with it. 

Fair play to Southgate I say. He’s sent the message that it doesn’t matter if the other party is Harry Kane or the tea lady - you’re not acting like that in my squad and getting away with it. Gomez’ ‘worth’ to the England campaign shouldn’t and hasn’t come into it - see the thread on Derby County for how not to handle an incident involving players with different ‘worth’ to the club  

Sometimes these pampered princesses need their ego keeping in check. 

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22 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said:

yes cider man Spain still goes on and they manage it and keep the best on the pitch.

But whilst these problems existed they didn’t win anything despite keeping all their best players on the pitch.

Once they got to the bottom of the problems they started winning stuff! Perhaps they were told from the get go that if they didnt sort it out then they didn’t play.

Perhaps england also said this to players and if sterling hadnt of received a punishment It could cause Southgate to lose the respect of the dressing room and have the liverpool players and man city players taking sides spliting the squad.

Dealing with it straight away ends it. It's a bit too public for my liking but it needed to be dealt with.

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19 minutes ago, CheddarReds said:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/gerard-pique-a-long-story

Pique details it quite well here. 

They hate each other when they're involved with rival clubs, but put it aside when playing for the national team because they (madrid players like Ramos) are "brothers on the Spanish national team". 

The point is that they don't need managing, as the players recognise it's their responsibility (not the managers) to ensure they leave club baggage with their clubs and fully commit "as brothers" for their national team. 

Spain maintained a mantra of what happened between Puyol and Ramos was kept internal. The Manager must not criticise players in public. What happens on the pitch and in training stays there.  Spain's players needed a lot of Managing as do any group of young men. The challenges are constant. The conflicts are constant. The politics are constant. Keeping that private is the norm. 

 

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