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Luke Williams - gone?

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Evening Post reporting that he’s seeking a head coach role elsewhere. Apparently close to both Southend and Stevenage roles recently so gives him the chance to go into the market and any new club don’t have to pay compensation (he had a years notice clause)

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I am not really surprised when you consider he came as Under 23's coach when he joined us, but since then

most of our U23 players have been sent out on loan so he has not been coaching the best young uns (which

a Swindon supporter friend of mine says he is very good at.

The other thing that i dont think he would have been very happy with, was at the recent U23's game against

Birmingham City Lee Johnson came down from the stand to the touchline and was issuing instructions to the

players on the pitch, which i thought at the time was out of order.

 

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22 minutes ago, dunsteral said:

I am not really surprised when you consider he came as Under 23's coach when he joined us, but since then

most of our U23 players have been sent out on loan so he has not been coaching the best young uns (which

a Swindon supporter friend of mine says he is very good at.

The other thing that i dont think he would have been very happy with, was at the recent U23's game against

Birmingham City Lee Johnson came down from the stand to the touchline and was issuing instructions to the

players on the pitch, which i thought at the time was out of order.

 

Regarding the last sentence LJ is head coach and quite within his rights to coach any player or team under his remit.

 I doubt LW was undermined or upset by his boss’s interest and support of his charges.

 I could understand if Williams wants to have a crack at first team level .

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1 hour ago, S.B. said:

MK Dons new assistant manager - good luck to him!

Especially when they play the gas on New Years Day :) 

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2 hours ago, dunsteral said:

Birmingham City Lee Johnson came down from the stand to the touchline and was issuing instructions to the

players on the pitch, which i thought at the time was out of order.

No it’s not out of order. LJ is HEAD coach.  That should tell you that he’s the boss of the entire playing side of the club and quite entitled to do as he pleases.

I’d imagine that the younger players were impressed and motivated to see LJ there and giving out practical and tactical advice

 

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2 hours ago, dunsteral said:

The other thing that i dont think he would have been very happy with, was at the recent U23's game against

Birmingham City Lee Johnson came down from the stand to the touchline and was issuing instructions to the

players on the pitch, which i thought at the time was out of order.

23's football is there to develop players for 1st team football Williams has said as much in person, it is also used at times to test tactical elements for the 1st team, why would LJ communicate something to Williams just so he can get that to the players rather than go down and say it himself and ensure he can get his meaning and point across? 

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3 hours ago, dunsteral said:

I am not really surprised when you consider he came as Under 23's coach when he joined us, but since then

most of our U23 players have been sent out on loan so he has not been coaching the best young uns (which

a Swindon supporter friend of mine says he is very good at.

The other thing that i dont think he would have been very happy with, was at the recent U23's game against

Birmingham City Lee Johnson came down from the stand to the touchline and was issuing instructions to the

players on the pitch, which i thought at the time was out of order.

 

I’d be more concerned if LJ wasn’t getting involved with u23 football to be honest

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Such a brief statement, usually means we didn’t want him to go from past experience. 

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52 minutes ago, RedM said:

Such a brief statement, usually means we didn’t want him to go from past experience. 

Well he was, apparently , doing a good job so I can understand it if we wanted to keep a good coach here .

We will see who comes in to replace the void . 
 

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One game earlier in the season as the U23s came off at half time L J walked down the tunnel and gave the nod to Semenyo, who was a sub, and sure enough Semenyo started the second half. The pitch side  management team had barely moved. It appeared LJ had made the decision but it could have been pre planned but why did LJ take the initiative?

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4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I’d be more concerned if LJ wasn’t getting involved with u23 football to be honest

Absolutely. Unlike our previous manager who didn’t bother at all. 

Anyway, anyone for Darren Way as next 23’s boss? Currently out of work and a great mate of LJ. Whilst his managerial tenure wasn’t covered in greatness, I’m told by people who’ve worked under him that he’s a great coach. 

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5 minutes ago, Harry said:

Absolutely. Unlike our previous manager who didn’t bother at all. 

Anyway, anyone for Darren Way as next 23’s boss? Currently out of work and a great mate of LJ. Whilst his managerial tenure wasn’t covered in greatness, I’m told by people who’ve worked under him that he’s a great coach. 

But if they start losing it would never be his fault. Never heard a manager with more excuses for defeat. 

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2 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

But if they start losing it would never be his fault. Never heard a manager with more excuses for defeat. 

Results aren’t important at u23

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1 minute ago, Harry said:

Results aren’t important at u23

To a point, you don’t want any player/competitor in any sport to become used to losing and be told it doesn’t matter.  So whilst development is the main aim, it’s the complete development which should include determination, belief and a winning attitude.

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

Results aren’t important at u23

That's his first excuse. I hear this a lot but don't believe it. Most people is sport have a great desire to win whether they're playing football or monopoly or tiddlywinks with the kids. I don't regard myself as overly competitive but I beat myself up if I miss the front pin at skittles or the double in darts. You have to be disappointed and hurting if you lose. 

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41 minutes ago, Harry said:

Absolutely. Unlike our previous manager who didn’t bother at all. 

Anyway, anyone for Darren Way as next 23’s boss? Currently out of work and a great mate of LJ. Whilst his managerial tenure wasn’t covered in greatness, I’m told by people who’ve worked under him that he’s a great coach. 

Really? He wasn’t well liked by Yeovil fans that I know and spoke to, even talk of him keeping his job because of his links with certain important people rather than him being any good. Certainly seemed to have a high opinion of himself though

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Major, I see it as a sign of BCFC now having quality in many positions, which sadly means that they will be in demand from other clubs.

Anyhow good luck to him, we all like to improve or upgrade our positions.

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1 hour ago, Harry said:

Absolutely. Unlike our previous manager who didn’t bother at all. 

Anyway, anyone for Darren Way as next 23’s boss? Currently out of work and a great mate of LJ. Whilst his managerial tenure wasn’t covered in greatness, I’m told by people who’ve worked under him that he’s a great coach. 

I think that's very likely actually, then if Holden or McAllister get poached he's a natural fit for assistant manager/coach

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15 hours ago, redysteadygo said:

One game earlier in the season as the U23s came off at half time L J walked down the tunnel and gave the nod to Semenyo, who was a sub, and sure enough Semenyo started the second half. The pitch side  management team had barely moved. It appeared LJ had made the decision but it could have been pre planned but why did LJ take the initiative?

No problem with that what so ever. Ultimately LJ is responsible for everything football related. If he wants Semenyo to get some minutes then that's what happens. The U23s are not another football club, they are not in competition with us, their role is to assist the football club as a whole. The football club comes first, not the ego of some random U23s manager.

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21 hours ago, dunsteral said:

I am not really surprised when you consider he came as Under 23's coach when he joined us, but since then

most of our U23 players have been sent out on loan so he has not been coaching the best young uns (which

a Swindon supporter friend of mine says he is very good at.

The other thing that i dont think he would have been very happy with, was at the recent U23's game against

Birmingham City Lee Johnson came down from the stand to the touchline and was issuing instructions to the

players on the pitch, which i thought at the time was out of order.

 

Er why??

These players may one day have to play for him, he's trying to get the best out of every player at the club. And i trust LJ way more than Luke Williams

Luke Williams job was to manage the under 23's which means he does what LJ Says.

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3 hours ago, Up The City! said:

No problem with that what so ever. Ultimately LJ is responsible for everything football related. If he wants Semenyo to get some minutes then that's what happens. The U23s are not another football club, they are not in competition with us, their role is to assist the football club as a whole. The football club comes first, not the ego of some random U23s manager.

Agree with your sentiments it was just the way it was done.  Management styles come in many forms it just appeared very autocratic and undermining the authority of 

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17 hours ago, Harry said:

Absolutely. Unlike our previous manager who didn’t bother at all. 

Anyway, anyone for Darren Way as next 23’s boss? Currently out of work and a great mate of LJ. Whilst his managerial tenure wasn’t covered in greatness, I’m told by people who’ve worked under him that he’s a great coach. 

Would not be surprised by this, because as you say, he is good friends with LJ & again, is known to be a very good coach, although not so good in front of the media! He will also be someone LJ trusts. He has also been to the Gate quite a few times since leaving Yeovil. So he would of definitely been around I would imagine in one way or another. COYR 

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17 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

That's his first excuse. I hear this a lot but don't believe it. Most people is sport have a great desire to win whether they're playing football or monopoly or tiddlywinks with the kids. I don't regard myself as overly competitive but I beat myself up if I miss the front pin at skittles or the double in darts. You have to be disappointed and hurting if you lose. 

That says a lot about you then. I (despite my age) play 5-a-side still. I play, I enjoy, I care not if I win or lose. It doesn’t stop me playing competitively and wanting to always do the right things, but the result doesn’t matter to me. The aim of the u23’s is to ready our players for 1st team football - tactically, technically, mentally. If they lose but performed to the plan set out by the 1st team manager then it matters not. 

16 hours ago, Citychuds said:

Really? He wasn’t well liked by Yeovil fans that I know and spoke to, even talk of him keeping his job because of his links with certain important people rather than him being any good. Certainly seemed to have a high opinion of himself though

But you have referenced Yeovil fans. I didn’t mention them. I said that I have heard from players who’ve worked under him that his is a very good coach. 

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42 minutes ago, Harry said:

That says a lot about you then. I (despite my age) play 5-a-side still. I play, I enjoy, I care not if I win or lose. It doesn’t stop me playing competitively and wanting to always do the right things, but the result doesn’t matter to me. The aim of the u23’s is to ready our players for 1st team football - tactically, technically, mentally. If they lose but performed to the plan set out by the 1st team manager then it matters not. 

But you have referenced Yeovil fans. I didn’t mention them. I said that I have heard from players who’ve worked under him that his is a very good coach. 

Do you think Way is too friendly with LJ?  Just asking.

Similarly is he more pally with LJ than Macca (or Deano for that matter).

I know little about Way as a coach, but very aware of his playing days and his BBCRB interviews (eek).  With that lack of real knowledge of him as a coach, I wouldn’t mind us thinking a bit more left field in terms of a new Assistant Head-Coach or u23 manager if Alex Ball isn’t promoted from within.  I’m feeling old, I used to play Footie with his dad, and Alex used to play Whitchurch who my mate managed.

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6 hours ago, Harry said:

That says a lot about you then. I (despite my age) play 5-a-side still. I play, I enjoy, I care not if I win or lose. It doesn’t stop me playing competitively and wanting to always do the right things, but the result doesn’t matter to me. The aim of the u23’s is to ready our players for 1st team football - tactically, technically, mentally. If they lose but performed to the plan set out by the 1st team manager then it matters not. 

But you have referenced Yeovil fans. I didn’t mention them. I said that I have heard from players who’ve worked under him that his is a very good coach. 

Fair enough, we are different. But most professional sportsmen hate losing, certainly LJ does and has said so on many occasions. 

The u23s are excellent for the technical stuff but not for the edge that helps young players become men. This is why we send our best kids out on loan to play with men and to feel and understand the importance of winning and losing. 

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9 hours ago, Harry said:

That says a lot about you then. I (despite my age) play 5-a-side still. I play, I enjoy, I care not if I win or lose. It doesn’t stop me playing competitively and wanting to always do the right things, but the result doesn’t matter to me. The aim of the u23’s is to ready our players for 1st team football - tactically, technically, mentally. If they lose but performed to the plan set out by the 1st team manager then it matters not. 

But you have referenced Yeovil fans. I didn’t mention them. I said that I have heard from players who’ve worked under him that his is a very good coach. 

No you didn’t ask the about the fans however it seems in a tight nit club like Yeovil he was an unpopular manager and in the tight nit villages around he wasn’t well regarded either. Comments like keeping his job because the main sponsor have used their weight with the board and comments like Skiverton was great to have around the local kids teams Darren Way just thought he was a billy big balls. Now assume these conversations were weighed against him, his record at Yeovil was mediocre to say the least. Again assume his record was unfair to judge him on, which I don’t see especially when you listened to the lack of anything on radio interviews. That might make him a candidate on the other side of Bristol but with the ambitious regime we have? The only things by that puts him in the picture is being Lee Johnson’s mate, I’d hope we are beyond that now.

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Here’s a left field thought.

If not Way (which I agree, seems a good shout), there’s a certain man formerly “of this parish” whose current job in league two isn’t working out and who also appears to have a good relationship with LJ without being, as in Darren Way, possibly too close. 
 

If the bullet comes for him in the Midlands it couldn’t happen (although the comedy value would be great), could it...?

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

Here’s a left field thought.

If not Way (which I agree, seems a good shout), there’s a certain man formerly “of this parish” whose current job in league two isn’t working out and who also appears to have a good relationship with LJ without being, as in Darren Way, possibly too close. 
 

If the bullet comes for him in the Midlands it couldn’t happen (although the comedy value would be great), could it...?

He’d get a dog’s abuse .

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