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1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

But he doesn’t play Palmer or szmodics but wants another attacking midfielder? 

unless of course Palmer and szmodics weren’t LJ signings 

Away from football you don’t get to pick exactly who you want to line manage. You try to get the best out of what’s available and what you’ve been given, and bring in a few of your chosen favourites.

Unless you own the company, and LJ doesn’t. We have a very talented squad. We need a manager who can get the best out of it, and if LJ doesn’t think he can do that he should step aside.

 

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2 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:

It's a laughable suggestion. The gas have more chance signing Elliasson.

Yep..theres no way we'd even enquire about such a player. They ain't stupid. They know what kind of money he'd cost, and they would know prem clubs are interested in him. They wouldn't waste their time with it.

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40 minutes ago, Ohbasso said:

If we’re looking at AM’s how about Izzy Brown? He’s only on loan at Luton and has been on fire this season especially against us.

Doubt we had him on trial as he was one of Chelsea's brightest prospects. Unless we had permission to trial him in view to loaning him.

But then a few years ago he went to Huddersfield, then Leeds. He wouldn't have been short of interest so doubt he would have wanted a trial to convince us to loan him.

Good player though. Just very injury prone.

 

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21 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

No - not by right. But to say he's not a football man (or whatever the comment was) is obviously incorrect, that was the only point I was making. 

 

I think of the phrase “football man” to mean someone with considerable experience of football, strategy, tactics, players etc. I wouldn’t put MA in that category and certainly wouldn’t want him as Director of Football. 

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9 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I think of the phrase “football man” to mean someone with considerable experience of football, strategy, tactics, players etc. I wouldn’t put MA in that category and certainly wouldn’t want him as Director of Football. 

Ex-Footballer (who never played a game) who is a very good negotiator, administrator and operations manager, specialising in the domain of football.  Not a recruitment specialist, but can manage teams (One of which is recruitment) across the football spectrum.

Should he be having input on players ability, tactical fit, etc.  Nope.  Should he be involved in the deal, impact on finances of club, projected valuations etc?  Yes.

 

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ex-Footballer (who never played a game) who is a very good negotiator, administrator and operations manager, specialising in the domain of football.  Not a recruitment specialist, but can manage teams (One of which is recruitment) across the football spectrum.

Should he be having input on players ability, tactical fit, etc.  Nope.  Should he be involved in the deal, impact on finances of club, etc?  Yes.

 

I would prefer a director of football to have more knowledge of the game than MA. 

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30 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:

It's a laughable suggestion. The gas have more chance signing Elliasson.

I also think it's dubious but he fits the criteria of what KITR was suggesting. AM, very good player and rumoured to have been on trial with us previously.

I don't think we'd go for him due to the price and I'm sure he'd be looking for a premier league move. Suggesting him was purely to see if that was what KITR was hinting.

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5 minutes ago, CityLew said:

I also think it's dubious but he fits the criteria of what KITR was suggesting. AM, very good player and rumoured to have been on trial with us previously.

I don't think we'd go for him due to the price and I'm sure he'd be looking for a premier league move. Suggesting him was purely to see if that was what KITR was hinting.

Who else fits that description?  Not Aaron Pierre!!!

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2 hours ago, Hare Island said:

Away from football you don’t get to pick exactly who you want to line manage. You try to get the best out of what’s available and what you’ve been given, and bring in a few of your chosen favourites.

Unless you own the company, and LJ doesn’t. We have a very talented squad. We need a manager who can get the best out of it, and if LJ doesn’t think he can do that he should step aside.

 

You can’t compare football to any other job . We have a squad of players that can play a multitude of systems. Is it because of players being signed by MA the businessman who sees a profit ? We shouldn’t have have so many different types of players imo.

 If LJ does have a philosophy of play, is it being stifled by having to shoehorn players in he never wanted ? 
I believe in having a system that can be tweaked during a game to suit a certain situation I.E 433-4231-4141Without the need for drastic substitutions and 2 players for every position that suits that style.  

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, we don’t have that role....we have a CEO!!!

What we have is a massive conflict of interests in the recruitment process.

MA knows his job is safest when he is profiting on players. He really is a protector of investments and one big money sale a year and he is laughing. He doesn't really have a vested interest in building a squad for us. 

Take Szmodics and Palmer. It was odd to sign them both this summer. But to MA it doesn't matter; he can loan one out. If they perform well he will make a transfer profit. If Szmodics doesn't make a profit he was a low-value punt. If he does, kerching. If Palmer is not utilised, MA can sit in front of SL and say we had a lad from Chelsea who the fans loved and the manager didn't use him and he was available for good value. 

LJ needs MA, but MA doesn't need LJ if he makes a transfer surplus year on year. That's the reality coming from 2 summers of frankly good wheeling and dealing by Ashton. He has his feet right under the table. 

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3 minutes ago, 29AR said:

What we have is a massive conflict of interests in the recruitment process.

MA knows his job is safest when he is profiting on players. He really is a protector of investments and one big money sale a year and he is laughing. He doesn't really have a vested interest in building a squad for us. 

Take Szmodics and Palmer. It was odd to sign them both this summer. But to MA it doesn't matter; he can loan one out. If they perform well he will make a transfer profit. If Szmodics doesn't make a profit he was a low-value punt. If he does, kerching. If Palmer is not utilised, MA can sit in front of SL and say we had a lad from Chelsea who the fans loved and the manager didn't use him and he was available for good value. 

LJ needs MA, but MA doesn't need LJ if he makes a transfer surplus year on year. That's the reality coming from 2 summers of frankly good wheeling and dealing by Ashton. He has his feet right under the table. 

The only thing you haven't mentioned and is easily forgotten is what did we pitch to Szmodics and Palmer when we persuaded them to sign. Did we promise them we held them in high regard and that they'd be heavily involved?

If we get a reputation for bulls-hitting recruits, agents will be wary of us.

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21 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

You can’t compare football to any other job . We have a squad of players that can play a multitude of systems. Is it because of players being signed by MA the businessman who sees a profit ? We shouldn’t have have so many different types of players imo.

 If LJ does have a philosophy of play, is it being stifled by having to shoehorn players in he never wanted ? 
I believe in having a system that can be tweaked during a game to suit a certain situation I.E 433-4231-4141Without the need for drastic substitutions and 2 players for every position that suits that style.  

I think whoever signed them, we have the players for that- however I agree with your point.

Problem is I guess, in a 4-3-3, you'll struggle to play Eliasson and Palmer in the same side...one of the only ways I could see it working might be in a 4-2-3-1:

 Rowe Nagy/Smith/Massengo

Brownhill Palmer Eliasson

               Weimann

Many other combinations leave a lack of balance and Brownhill would effectively be performing a role and a half in this.

Could also interchange Palmer for Paterson- but I believe part of the issue is LJ and his both rigidity and yet crazy shifting at the same time.

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think whoever signed them, we have the players for that- however I agree with your point.

Problem is I guess, in a 4-3-3, you'll struggle to play Eliasson and Palmer in the same side...one of the only ways I could see it working might be in a 4-2-3-1:

 Rowe Nagy/Smith/Massengo

Brownhill Palmer Eliasson

               Weimann

Many other combinations leave a lack of balance and Brownhill would effectively be performing a role and a half in this.

Could also interchange Palmer for Paterson- but I believe part of the issue is LJ and his both rigidity and yet crazy shifting at the same time.

I just don't know if Weimann is effective as the main number 9. He just doesn't seem to like to hold it up at all. He likes to run wide all the time.

I am absolutely certain LJ would have looked at him as a number 9, like in the Bobby Reid kind of role in training. And I would be surprised if he could do it. That's probably why we have not seen it.

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2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

You can’t compare football to any other job . We have a squad of players that can play a multitude of systems. Is it because of players being signed by MA the businessman who sees a profit ? We shouldn’t have have so many different types of players imo.

 If LJ does have a philosophy of play, is it being stifled by having to shoehorn players in he never wanted ? 
I believe in having a system that can be tweaked during a game to suit a certain situation I.E 433-4231-4141Without the need for drastic substitutions and 2 players for every position that suits that style.  

I agree to an extent, but there are very successful managers who are pragmatic and not strictly wedded to a particular style, who will come into a club look at who’s there and play a style and tactics to suit. Perhaps it is more short term than the current DNA project but I am just frustrated because I genuinely believe this is the best City squad since we were last in the top flight but we ain’t seeing that on a Saturday.

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