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3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

And the homeless.

I would guess we have all given a few coins to someone who is down on their luck over the years, but if people stop carrying cash.

Oh, and what about the muggers? They'll be able to manage a couple of thirty quid purchases with your card before it gets stopped and they'll run the risk of being caught on CCTV when they do so. Won't someone think about them?

I am not sure about the homeless, but there are schemes at the moment where Big Issue sellers are using those portable card readers.

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We did have a whole other thread on this where people were agreeing to differ.

Cash payment is always going to have a role whether through Luddite tendencies (guilty), as back up for payment system or internet failure (widespread BT & Sky broadband outage at the start of this week), or for the old, young or "vulnerable" for whom cash is simplest.

Decent organisations, and I certain include City in that definition, will look to facilitate all methods of payment in order to avoid excluding any particular groups.

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3 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

We did have a whole other thread on this where people were agreeing to differ.

Cash payment is always going to have a role whether through Luddite tendencies (guilty), as back up for payment system or internet failure (widespread BT & Sky broadband outage at the start of this week), or for the old, young or "vulnerable" for whom cash is simplest.

Decent organisations, and I certain include City in that definition, will look to facilitate all methods of payment in order to avoid excluding any particular groups.

Indeed  - - “We understand there are supporters who are used to paying with cash at the stadium and so we will continue to offer a provision at a number of kiosks for the time being as part of the phased rollout. A large proportion of our fans are already paying by card rather than with cash in the stadium, so we are hoping that the transition will be quick and easy for many fans.”

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21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

It's not a new thing, I used to work in the casino industry and  15-20 years ago I trained staff to deal American Roulette and Blackjack, All the payouts were added up in the dealers heads and we had long established techniques to help with that aspect, but there was still some mental arithmetic involved. The younger the trainee, the less likely they were to have a basic grasp of maths. :( 

Your last sentence is very true. There have been a lot of posts on this thread about old people not being able to cope, as though everyone over 50 is a bit doolally. In reality it’s easier to take a card out of your pocket and hold it in front of a machine than to use cash. Contactless benefits many younger people because mental arithmetic is a dark art from a bygone age that they don’t understand. 

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1 hour ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

Almost certain to NOT go fully cashless by the start of next season.

For all the reasons stated above.

Even if there is only a few places where you can use cash, there will still be one. 

We will see.

Now that they have made the first push, there will be pressure to roll it fully. They may make some arrangement for loading up a season ticket / club card with cash as suggested by others, but other than programmes, don't be surprised if the concessions are all cash free by the start of next season. 

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1 hour ago, RedM said:

And the charity collectors, can’t rattle a bucket of contactless!

Actually I do wonder about the charity collectors with less and less people carrying actually money, especially loose change. Donations must be affected?

Big Issue sellers take payment by contact less machines 

The club could supply them, but equally people will still have money on them 

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17 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Your last sentence is very true. There have been a lot of posts on this thread about old people not being able to cope, as though everyone over 50 is a bit doolally. In reality it’s easier to take a card out of your pocket and hold it in front of a machine than to use cash. Contactless benefits many younger people because mental arithmetic is a dark art from a bygone age that they don’t understand. 

Sorry,but this post just doesn’t add up......

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44 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

No not at all. Can Bristol Sport actions negatively affect others? The disabled? The elderly? The vulnerable? Yes. Your post and others display the same laissez-fair attitude to others as can be found anywhere else. 

 

Your usual repeated reply whenever the club are moving forward with anything. 

My father who is in his late eighties uses contactless 

Are you implying that elderly and disabled people do not use contactless cards? That is either a very ignorant or outdated opinion 

What has vulnerability got to do with someone's payment methods?

35 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Well many many places do not. It is not necessary. It is not wholly beneficial to all. It can be a negative.

Read my earlier post about how Bristol Sport uncaring actions led to a person with a disability deciding to cease coming to Ashton Gate.

Is that your we? 

Just because others treat people unevenly, poorly your we does not have to follow. Its an excuse for ignorance.

 

 

Times are changing whether we like it or not, those not using these methods will catch up soon and will implement the same payment methods. 

Of course nothing is going to be wholly beneficial for all, but the club is a business now, they will benefit from faster transactions than before and also save money on banking cash

The demographics of the groups that you have predictably mentioned are not going to be the only people having to change but ultimately how many people will be affected. 

In the shot term some but I bet they adapt in the long run 

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2 hours ago, CodeRed said:

This may seem a good idea by the young men in suits running things, for me it's no problem - I pay for everything I possibly can by card even if it's only a couple of quid - but look around AG on matchday and there's a very large ageing section of the fanbase....a sea of grey heads as I look along the Lansdown.  They'll probably just not bother buying anything rather than getting to grips with new tech.

This is the sort of thing that should be sounded out through fan groups and the SC & T (maybe it was?) and ...whisper it...the SLO.

Using a debit card is anything but ‘new tech’. 

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38 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

We will see.

Now that they have made the first push, there will be pressure to roll it fully. They may make some arrangement for loading up a season ticket / club card with cash as suggested by others, but other than programmes, don't be surprised if the concessions are all cash free by the start of next season. 

I will be very surprised if they take this step.

No matter how small the group wanting to still use cash is, they would essentially be throwing money away in the sales they will lose.

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5 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

I will be very surprised if they take this step.

No matter how small the group wanting to still use cash is, they would essentially be throwing money away in the sales they will lose.

Or potentially taking more money by have the queues moving quicker...

I would imagine someone has done the analysis and totted up the numbers.

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12 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

I will be very surprised if they take this step.

No matter how small the group wanting to still use cash is, they would essentially be throwing money away in the sales they will lose.

But saving greatly on the cost of security courier for cash to be banked and any counting of said cash that is done. They won't worry about losing a few customers who are happy to use their debit card to get money from the hole in the wall but then refuse to use it to pay for a drink.

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42 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

Your usual repeated reply whenever the club are moving forward with anything. 

My father who is in his late eighties uses contactless 

Are you implying that elderly and disabled people do not use contactless cards? That is either a very ignorant or outdated opinion 

What has vulnerability got to do with someone's payment methods?

Times are changing whether we like it or not, those not using these methods will catch up soon and will implement the same payment methods. 

Of course nothing is going to be wholly beneficial for all, but the club is a business now, they will benefit from faster transactions than before and also save money on banking cash

The demographics of the groups that you have predictably mentioned are not going to be the only people having to change but ultimately how many people will be affected. 

In the shot term some but I bet they adapt in the long run 

Yours is the usual its bah its progress reply. You fail to answer the points regarding being person centred and its best practice. Its an uncaring and ignorant position with respect however it is not uncommon.

In regards to your questions. 

Are you implying that elderly and disabled people do not use contactless cards? No. 

What has vulnerability got to do with somebodies payments methods? Abuse. Capacity. Comprehension skills. History. Risk.

One of the demographics I mentioned was disability - A learning disability is for life. There is no cure. Individuals with severe and profound LD's do not adapt/or find it challenging and problematic to do so. You would lose that bet unless you possess cures and knowledge unknown to science .

 

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11 minutes ago, dunsteral said:

You can now have a pee in the public toilets on the sea front at W-S-M and pay by contactless card,

so why not Ashton Gate?

Don’t give them ideas, paying for toilets? ..They got to get warm air out of the hand dryers first, it’ll never happen ?

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3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

And what when networks & systems go down as often happens during weekend 'maintenance'?

I was at the Massive Attack gig in Filton and despite them making a lot of fuss about their contact less bars and all that sort of thing. Got there and it had all gone tits.

Thankfully, I had a fair bit of cash on me, so I didn't need to queue up for 2 hours to use the cash machine, and because of this, there was no queue at the bar either.

The point? Be prepared!

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