Davefevs Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, AshtonGreat said: I would manage your expectations. Our home form is nowhere near good enough for promotion. Clubs like WBA and Leeds will start to break away from the pack soon Possibly, but Leeds have form for struggling after Xmas too. 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: It does but we are now 5 unbeaten is it? And before the game I'd have settled for a point. Yes, that’s a positive, after a poor result v Luton. We are tough to beat. We are improving at home. Today was a game we’d have gone in a 0-1 last season...and have to chase. We lost 7/23 last season. We’ve lost 1/8 this season. If we can turn 3 or 4 of those defeats into draws (like today), and the odd draw into a win, we will be 5/6/7 points better off, and that’s enough for top 6. Its frustrating today, of course it is, but we weren’t shit, we got into their final third comfortably in the second half, but lacked that sparkle....and Forest defended very well. They are a good side. I don’t see us as a team that wins 4 or 5 on the trot and gains big points over our closest rivals, but we keep ticking over, win one, draw one, etc. Having said that we did have a big winning streak last season. Today’s point, won’t define our season. Smart money was on a draw today, you hope with 30+ minutes against 10 men you get that goal, but I suspect Charlton thought that against us! Philosophical this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Haven't watched as at AG for a while but went today, felt Forest were just of a similar standard to us and we cancelled eachother out. Should've finished them off at 10 men and I didn't really like our starting formation.. but reading this forum you'd think we'd just lost 0-3 or something. Ref was a bit niggly too which didn't help the flow of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Blown what? We aren’t going to be top 2. We have a chance if top 6 if we strengthen in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, 054123 said: I always enjoy your positive energy and studious posts. November is far to early to say we’ve blown it, but something in the way Johnson manages the team has to change. I think the system is questionable- I've even said this when we're winning. Starting Diedhiou today, didn't enthuse me tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, RedDave said: Bentley, Pereira, Williams, Kalas, Dasilva, Palmer, Afobe, Massengo, Nagy.......yes what a PATHETIC transfer window that was!! I meant the last two January transfer windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Possibly, but Leeds have form for struggling after Xmas too. Yes, that’s a positive, after a poor result v Luton. We are tough to beat. We are improving at home. Today was a game we’d have gone in a 0-1 last season...and have to chase. We lost 7/23 last season. We’ve lost 1/8 this season. If we can turn 3 or 4 of those defeats into draws (like today), and the odd draw into a win, we will be 5/6/7 points better off, and that’s enough for top 6. Its frustrating today, of course it is, but we weren’t shit, we got into their final third comfortably in the second half, but lacked that sparkle....and Forest defended very well. They are a good side. I don’t see us as a team that wins 4 or 5 on the trot and gains big points over our closest rivals, but we keep ticking over, win one, draw one, etc. Having said that we did have a big winning streak last season. Today’s point, won’t define our season. Smart money was on a draw today, you hope with 30+ minutes against 10 men you get that goal, but I suspect Charlton thought that against us! Philosophical this evening. I saw today as two good teams just cancelling each other out and I kind of expected that before the game. I think maybe the game would have opened up a little more in the latter stages for both sides without the sending off. Overall a decent point tho . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: I meant the last two January transfer windows The majority of clubs prefer to do business in the summer window, not the winter one. Players are always more expensive in January as less are available. It’s not a good time to sign anyone unless the club is is in dire need and City are in dire need of a striker. That said, I wouldn’t be remotely surprised to see nothing happen in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Robbored said: The majority of clubs prefer to do business in the summer window, not the winter one. Players are always more expensive in January as less are available. It’s not a good time to sign anyone unless the club is is in dire need and City are in dire need of a striker. That said, I wouldn’t be remotely surprised to see nothing happen in January. Neither would I . That's the sad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Tammyjr said: We all get our hopes at the start of the season but come this time of year reality sinks in Piss off mate, I’m just happy if we’re not staring a potential relegation dogfight in the face come this time of year. To be where we are with the injuries we’ve had is brilliant imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 15 hours ago, Tammyjr said: Why is that ??? Can't I moan that we can't score at home against 10 men ?????, With that many question marks no you can’t piss off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Tammyjr said: West Bromwich showing how it's done ?????? Season over in November? Are you from Swindon by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Tammyjr said: West Bromwich showing how it's done ?????? They have still got the benefit of Parachute payments ( This season & next) so can offer higher wages for top players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Nicki's soulmate said: Yep, definitely blown it, only a mere 25 games to go ‘Blown it” be careful. A win at west Brom or an entertaining draw I bet your one of the ones posting how good we played on Wednesday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicki's soulmate Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 hours ago, City oz said: ‘Blown it” be careful. A win at west Brom or an entertaining draw I bet your one of the ones posting how good we played on Wednesday night. My sarcasm certainly travels far and wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 Yes and Swindon have won the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 I think anyone with an ounce of sense can see that we've blown it. To be honest, I'm looking over my shoulder at teams like Middlesbrough who got another point today and are now closing the gap. The bright side though? We can at last concentrate on the Cup!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 A frustrating draw - I felt like the period up to the red card we were getting a good foot hold in the game. Ironically, had the red not come, yes we probably would have conceded a few more chances, but I feel we probably would have had a better chance of creating a clear cut one or two ourselves. After the red, Forest did what you hate seeing from opposition teams but love seeing your team do. A near text book display of gamesmanship and backs to the wall defending to see out the time. Season over? No. Frustration, yes, because it’s hard not to look at a few more moments over the last 10 games and see we...could....be sitting so much prettier. But that for me shows we ARE going in the right direction, we are progressing, but just still missing what much of the championship also misses, which is that consistent game winning magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, Alessandro said: A frustrating draw - I felt like the period up to the red card we were getting a good foot hold in the game. Ironically, had the red not come, yes we probably would have conceded a few more chances, but I feel we probably would have had a better chance of creating a clear cut one or two ourselves. After the red, Forest did what you hate seeing from opposition teams but love seeing your team do. A near text book display of gamesmanship and backs to the wall defending to see out the time. Season over? No. Frustration, yes, because it’s hard not to look at a few more moments over the last 10 games and see we...could....be sitting so much prettier. But that for me shows we ARE going in the right direction, we are progressing, but just still missing what much of the championship also misses, which is that consistent game winning magic. Exactly how I saw it, the game was just opening up, momentum had shifted to us but the sending off killed the game as Forest then parked the proverbial bus, we all know we struggle to play against teams that do that. I'm not sure what Forest did tactically after the sending off but most teams normally sacrifice a striker or a attacking midfielder so defensively for them there isnt any noticable difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Up The City! said: Exactly how I saw it, the game was just opening up, momentum had shifted to us but the sending off killed the game as Forest then parked the proverbial bus, we all know we struggle to play against teams that do that. I'm not sure what Forest did tactically after the sending off but most teams normally sacrifice a striker or a attacking midfielder so defensively for them there isnt any noticable difference. They brought Albert on for Ameobi to give them better better discipline / shape defensively. Ameobi plays a fairly free role and doesn’t track back. Albert, although not great defensively, will work and work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 23/11/2019 at 21:25, Andy082005 said: I meant the last two January transfer windows FFP plays a role here. Sheffield Wednesday could be the latest to face punishment- hopefully. That said we had some leeway last season potentially, but Jan 2018 we got it wrong certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 17 hours ago, Up The City! said: Exactly how I saw it, the game was just opening up, momentum had shifted to us but the sending off killed the game as Forest then parked the proverbial bus, we all know we struggle to play against teams that do that. I'm not sure what Forest did tactically after the sending off but most teams normally sacrifice a striker or a attacking midfielder so defensively for them there isnt any noticable difference. Did they? I seem to recall them having a number of chances on the break even at 11 v 10- or at least moves that could have led to chances. I'd say yes they became more defensive naturally, but they are naturally quite a reactive side in any case so an ability to make the centre more compact, and break vs a home side going for it more actually suited or would suit them, or a side like them, quite well. On a side note, given that hitting the post doesn't count as a shot on target, I'm unsure we had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 23/11/2019 at 17:31, Tammyjr said: Perhaps dropping points at home dosent bother you 5 games unbeaten and 9 points in those games and should have been 11 (Barnsley). 2 games lost so far. 4th - 7th on the same number of points. Players coming back from injury. Bristol City after 17 matches in the same league / division GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison 2019-2020 17 7 8 2 25 21 29 - 2018-2019 17 6 4 7 20 19 22 + 7 pts 2017-2018 17 8 7 2 26 16 31 -2 pts 2016-2017 17 7 3 7 23 20 24 + 5 pts 2015-2016 17 3 7 7 18 27 16 + 13 pts 2012-2013 17 3 3 11 25 34 12 + 17 pts 2011-2012 17 4 4 9 16 28 16 + 13 pts 2010-2011 17 4 5 8 17 28 17 + 12 pts We've blown it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 8 hours ago, bcfc01 said: 5 games unbeaten and 9 points in those games and should have been 11 (Barnsley). 2 games lost so far. 4th - 7th on the same number of points. Players coming back from injury. Bristol City after 17 matches in the same league / division GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison 2019-2020 17 7 8 2 25 21 29 - 2018-2019 17 6 4 7 20 19 22 + 7 pts 2017-2018 17 8 7 2 26 16 31 -2 pts 2016-2017 17 7 3 7 23 20 24 + 5 pts 2015-2016 17 3 7 7 18 27 16 + 13 pts 2012-2013 17 3 3 11 25 34 12 + 17 pts 2011-2012 17 4 4 9 16 28 16 + 13 pts 2010-2011 17 4 5 8 17 28 17 + 12 pts We've blown it... Love the stats but you're missing one key factor: season objective. Performance has to be measured against expectations. If Johnson's target is to win the league, then arguably, he's blown it already (although that really depends on Wednesday). Given that his target is probably to finish top 6, our form this season is nearly there, and close enough to be open minded about the possibility of achieving that target in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, mozo said: Love the stats but you're missing one key factor: season objective. Performance has to be measured against expectations. If Johnson's target is to win the league, then arguably, he's blown it already (although that really depends on Wednesday). Given that his target is probably to finish top 6, our form this season is nearly there, and close enough to be open minded about the possibility of achieving that target in May. If the expectation was to win the league then I'd argue that it was blown before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 hours ago, bcfc01 said: 5 games unbeaten and 9 points in those games and should have been 11 (Barnsley). 2 games lost so far. 4th - 7th on the same number of points. Players coming back from injury. Bristol City after 17 matches in the same league / division GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison 2019-2020 17 7 8 2 25 21 29 - 2018-2019 17 6 4 7 20 19 22 + 7 pts 2017-2018 17 8 7 2 26 16 31 -2 pts 2016-2017 17 7 3 7 23 20 24 + 5 pts 2015-2016 17 3 7 7 18 27 16 + 13 pts 2012-2013 17 3 3 11 25 34 12 + 17 pts 2011-2012 17 4 4 9 16 28 16 + 13 pts 2010-2011 17 4 5 8 17 28 17 + 12 pts We've blown it... Against the teams we played last season, we are 1 point better this. If you add in the promoted and relegated teams into their respective positions (from last season’s teams) we are 5 points better off. Another way of disecting the fixtures so far, with my little summary afterwards. Against the Top 8: P5 W0 D4 L1 Pts4 - not letting any of them get away from us Middle 8: P6 W5 D1 L0 Pts16 - distancing ourselves Bottom 8: P6 W2 D3 L1 Pts9 - not taking advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 On 23/11/2019 at 17:03, Tammyjr said: West Bromwich showing how it's done ?????? we seem to have lost a bit of sparkle.We are hard to beat but finding it hard to win our home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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