WhistleHappy Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hillsborough-police-chief-duckenfield-cleared-over-deaths-of-95-liverpool-fans/ar-BBXtZbk?MSCC=1574957087&ocid=spartandhp Police chief cleared.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Staggering decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Feel sick to the pit of my stomach. Duckenfield’s gross negligence is bad, but more vile and disgusting has always been Bettison, Ingham and Thatchers cover up, lies and deceit in blaming fans like you and I for so long. They all knew. It could have been any set of fans. Sad, sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robbored Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Super said: Sad, sad case for all concerned. Its understandable why the families of the victims what a scapegoat and as police commander on the day the butt stops with him but there were other pre match factors that influenced the tragedy outside of Hillsborough. No safety certificate for example. I wonder what happened to the stadium manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Sad, sad case for all concerned. Its understandable why the families of the victims what a scapegoat and as police commander on the day the butt stops with him but there were other pre match factors that influenced the tragedy outside of Hillsborough. No safety certificate for example. I wonder what happened to the stadium manager? I don’t think they want a ‘scapegoat.’ They want the people that illegally killed their children/father/mother/brothers/sisters to be held responsible. Without commenting on this individual it is utterly appalling that has not happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Will he be able to get compensation now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Robbored said: Sad, sad case for all concerned. Its understandable why the families of the victims what a scapegoat and as police commander on the day the butt stops with him but there were other pre match factors that influenced the tragedy outside of Hillsborough. No safety certificate for example. I wonder what happened to the stadium manager? He's already been tried - fine Sheffield council allowed a big event at a stadium with no safety cert Lessons wern't heeded from t h e previous semi final crowd crush Not enough turnstiles Fans arriving late after problems on m62 Inadequate a stewarding filling the 4 pens sequentially. Several causes and unfair to blame just one person .........the police sergeant on the ground screamed over the radio to open the gates or else people would die, Was DD supposed to say " No let a few die while I do a risk assessment" ? He bears some - but not all -responsibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 28, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Taken from tonight's Liverpool Echo Hillsborough tragedy: Why you still need to be careful online A trial focused on the aftermath of the disaster is scheduled to take place next year The trial of Hillsborough match commander David Duckenfield concluded today, with the 75-year-old found not guilty of the manslaughter of Liverpool supporters killed in the disaster. The result will understandably spark emotion and no doubt some of that will spill online. And with this case now over, there are no jurors who could be influenced by anything they read or hear. This means there is more freedom to make comments specifically related to the former chief superintendent and his seven week trial. Yet you must still take care if you want to express your thoughts more generally on social media. This is because a separate trial is due to begin in April. Three suspects face allegations linked to what happened in the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster. So if you are commenting after today’s verdicts it is best to stick to what happened before April 15, 1989 and on the day of the tragedy - the topics which fell under scrutiny in the trial and retrial of Duckenfield this year. Those due to appear in court next year include the former Chief Superintendent Donald Denton and ex-Detective Chief Inspector Alan Foster. Both worked for South Yorkshire Police and are charged with perverting the course of public justice. The allegations are linked to changes made to witness statements following the disaster. Peter Metcalf, the solicitor who acted for South Yorkshire Police during the Taylor Inquiry and the first inquests into the disaster, faces the same accusation. Each indicated they would not plead not guilty when they appeared at Warrington Magistrates’ Court in August 2018. This means a jury will be selected to hear their trial at Preston Crown Court. It also means care should still be taken when commenting online and nothing should be published that could cause a substantial risk of seriously prejudicing that case. That essentially means nothing should be posted that could influence anyone who may end up on the jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Robbored said: Sad, sad case for all concerned. Its understandable why the families of the victims what a scapegoat and as police commander on the day the butt stops with him but there were other pre match factors that influenced the tragedy outside of Hillsborough. No safety certificate for example. I wonder what happened to the stadium manager? Got a fine I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 28, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CodeRed said: He's already been tried - fine Remarkably (in my opinion) he has now been found not guilty TWICE by a jury and also in a separate law suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, phantom said: Remarkably (in my opinion) he has now been found not guilty TWICE by a jury and also in a separate law suit And yet admitted culpability at the inquest. How funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Super said: Staggering decision. Is it staggering? The burden of proof in the criminal court is so high that it was always going to be a big ask to convict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 It’s the ‘gross’ bit of ‘gross negligence’ that is often a substantial hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardy Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Out of all tragedy's i have seen in my lifetime this has affected me the most, i remember watching it unfold with my Dad not really understanding how this could of happened. 65 million spent on criminal investigation, 30 years on and still no convictions, how the effin hell is that possible. Really saddened by this and even more saddened to think what the families of deceased are going through and have been through over the last 30 years. jft96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, phantom said: Taken from tonight's Liverpool Echo Each indicated they would not plead not guilty So they’re going to plead guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 28, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, East End Old Boy said: So they’re going to plead guilty? I was a bit puzzled by this, I went back and checked the report incase it was an editing typo but it's still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 28, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 hours ago, GlastonburyRed said: It’s the ‘gross’ bit of ‘gross negligence’ that is often a substantial hurdle. Is that because no one went to work that day intending to cause such a tragedy? It was, as many tragedies are, a chain of events and circumstances, putting all of, or even the majority of the blame on one person is probably not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Such an avoidable tragedy. Whether you agree with the jury or not, numerous cases have been filed with results ranging from not guilty to potential negligence, and there is still no individual culpable. Which is unsurprising given the scale of what happened. No closure whatsoever for those immediately impacted, but equally limited closure for those who might have been in a position of influence over what happened that day. No idea where either side go next. I hope the families of those who perished are able to find a route to closure, whatever that route should be. It is still desperately sad after all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Is that because no one went to work that day intending to cause such a tragedy? It was, as many tragedies are, a chain of events and circumstances, putting all of, or even the majority of the blame on one person is probably not right. Agreed. Times were different back then too. Health & safety wasn’t much considered like it is today and sadly events like that helped to shape the future we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Duckenfield hasn't got away with anything. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 No justice you’re still in business, you absolute scum rag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 That rag is utterly shameless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, TomF said: No justice you’re still in business, you absolute scum rag. Well I have seen some hypocrisy in my years, but **** me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 29, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, TomF said: No justice you’re still in business, you absolute scum rag. Not many things REALLY annoy me in life, but this is right up there !!! I know the editor etc etc have all changed since those original horrific headlines but that paper will never be forgiven for the lies it printed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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