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Bloody hell, I don't think anyone would say they don't give a shit about them, before it's too late you should amend that if you can, Frozen Rob, it looks and reads terrible.

 

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Give it a thread and sticky it? If Rovers have a thread with almost 1200 pages why not do one for the women? Anyone who wants to debate it has easy access to it and people who don't like multiple threads on it cropping up just have to avoid one thread

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Because it's such a hard ship to not click on the occasional thread about women's football? This forum is called 'All Things Football'... 

Can we have a separate forum for the Rovers thread too then please?  

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8 minutes ago, Daniel James said:

Would prefer a women’s area and a men’s area like the non football chat area

Talking about women's "football" and preferring a woman's area, I'll just leave this here.........

 

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5 minutes ago, !james said:

Because it's such a hard ship to not click on the occasional thread about women's football? This forum is called 'All Things Football'... 

Can we have a separate forum for the Rovers thread too then please?  

We have a single thread for it.

Whether BCFC women have a separate forum or a single thread is equally good.

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10 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

Bloody hell, I don't think anyone would say they don't give a shit about them, before it's too late you should amend that if you can, Frozen Rob, it looks and reads terrible.

 

Depends on the context, I really have no interest in women’s football, don’t click on the threads usually, so you could say I don’t give a shit about them.  That said, I hope they enjoy what they do, if it encourages girls to get out and exercise and learn some lessons in life that team sports teach, then fine.

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16 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

It’s a football chat, not specifically city so why wouldn’t we discuss them here?

Exactly this and we are all part of a bigger picture funded by Mr L so why not just accept it.

After all most people are sensible with topic headers so if you want to avoid you can in general.

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2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Depends on the context, I really have no interest in women’s football, don’t click on the threads usually, so you could say I don’t give a shit about them.  That said, I hope they enjoy what they do, if it encourages girls to get out and exercise and learn some lessons in life that team sports teach, then fine.

Absolutely.

Anybody out playing sports is good be it women's rugby or transgender squash.

I'm not actually interested in it however and don't want it being stealth posted into news of a team in which I am interested.

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2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Depends on the context, I really have no interest in women’s football, don’t click on the threads usually, so you could say I don’t give a shit about them.  That said, I hope they enjoy what they do, if it encourages girls to get out and exercise and learn some lessons in life that team sports teach, then fine.

Pretty much my thoughts. Women's football goes in the same filing cabinet as cats, Nepal and the Monster Raving Loony Party. They exist, they have no bearing on my life, but I hope they carry on enjoying what they're doing.

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They're a team under the Bristol City umbrella, I probably pay as much attention to them as I do some of our youth teams and naturally hope they do well. 

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2 minutes ago, Meh said:

Exactly this and we are all part of a bigger picture funded by Mr L so why not just accept it.

After all most people are sensible with topic headers so if you want to avoid you can in general.

But this is why we have rules on the forum so that people know what to expect in a particular subforum.

We won last Saturday, comfortably, 5-2. So don't want this muddied by headlines about an entirely separate team losing 11-1 to a totally separate Man City team.

 

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None of the above?

I’d happily watch Bristol City women, I’ve always enjoyed supporting the woman’s national team. I don’t view them as the same thing though.

 

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I have no interest in women’s football so I don’t click the threads. If only other people followed that example on things they have no interest in. 

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1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

I have no interest in women’s football so I don’t click the threads. If only other people followed that example on things they have no interest in. 

Likewise.

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57 minutes ago, Daniel James said:

Would prefer a women’s area and a men’s area like the non football chat area

But how far do we divide the site? 

U23s 

Premier 

Championship 

European 

To me it's simpler as it is

What I don't understand is the number of people who moan about womens football on a thread. It's simple if you don't have any interest don't read the thread and especially don't bother replying 

I wouldn't vote for any of the options, they certainly are not equal to the mens team but as its clearly a football forum it has a place 

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35 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

But this is why we have rules on the forum so that people know what to expect in a particular subforum.

We won last Saturday, comfortably, 5-2. So don't want this muddied by headlines about an entirely separate team losing 11-1 to a totally separate Man City team.

 

But it's very clear it's not relevant to the mens side 

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2 minutes ago, phantom said:

But it's very clear it's not relevant to the mens side 

Whch doesn't prevent it being automatically merged into a single "women's football" thread in which I contend there is considerably less interest than there is in the Bristol Rovers' thread.

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I take a glancing interest purely because their name associates them with Bristol City, otherwise I couldn’t care less. 
It’s nice that women get the opportunity to play the game, but it’s got nothing to do with us really and I wouldn’t even class women’s football as “football”. It’s more of a separate sport in its own right, as far as I’m concerned. 

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2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I take a glancing interest purely because their name associates them with Bristol City, otherwise I couldn’t care less. 
It’s nice that women get the opportunity to play the game, but it’s got nothing to do with us really and I wouldn’t even class women’s football as “football”. It’s more of a separate sport in its own right, as far as I’m concerned. 

Same here, no interest what so ever. 

A separate forum would be best. It might actually be good as people who do support them may be put off joining on here as the threads about them will be lost amongst the men's ones  

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Purely from a practical point of view I would have them separate from the men's game. But there aren't that many threads about them anyway, so I'm not really fussed

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If you lose 11-0..........it's not called Football.......but it is called Target Practice?  😜  PS OOh sorry 11-1  (Great Pen)

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I think we should add sub-forums for the rugby, basketball and women’s footie.

Not ‘front page’ though as we need to keep enough space for criticism of Lee Johnson, CoD and Watkins.

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I'm not interested personally, but I'm not bothered if others are.  It's not like we have dozens of threads on the topic. 

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1 hour ago, paul_fox said:

Same here, no interest what so ever. 

A separate forum would be best. It might actually be good as people who do support them may be put off joining on here as the threads about them will be lost amongst the men's ones  

Plus would stop every thread degenerating into an argument about the merits (or lack of) of the women's game.

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Couple of questions for those ITK. 

How much does the average wsl footballer make each week?

Do Bristol Sport make a big loss each season financing it? I know womens football is exempt from FFP regulations by the way, just intrigued to know. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Couple of questions for those ITK. 

How much does the average wsl footballer make each week?

Do Bristol Sport make a big loss each season financing it? I know womens football is exempt from FFP regulations by the way, just intrigued to know. 

 

I don't know about wages but when Notts County closed their women's team in 2018 it was costing £500k a year but only bringing in £28k of revenues so that's going to be the order of loss.

Given the £25m annual operating loss of BCFC it's a drop in the ocean which isn't going to be having a negative impact on the financing of the main team.

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37 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Couple of questions for those ITK. 

How much does the average wsl footballer make each week?

Do Bristol Sport make a big loss each season financing it? I know womens football is exempt from FFP regulations by the way, just intrigued to know. 

 

I know the top England player Steph Houghton is on £68,000 per year not including sponsorship. 

Lots of the girls at Bristol city who are professional will be on no more than £20 k per year and are asked to work in community as well. 

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10 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

Couple of questions for those ITK. 

How much does the average wsl footballer make each week?

I'm certainly not ITK, but the below may be of interest?

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These were the top 5 earners in the World in April 2019

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** The report below was written in June 2019 **

The growth of full-time professionals in women's football in the country is seeing a rise in pay.

More money is coming into the game through the FA, sponsors and TV companies as everybody looks to build on the attention garnered from England's World Cup achievements in 2015.

 

How much is more though, what are the current realities, and how is it changing? The first rule of player salaries is that not many are willing to talk about player salaries (as in the men's game), and it is not at all straightforward to draw clear comparisons.

Nevertheless, it is possible to piece together information about the range of amounts players are paid in the Women's Super League and look at the different factors involved at the moment.

Here's a basic look.

How much money is there in the Women's Super League?

Top earners can receive around £35,000 for the year, but there is a significant disparity between top and bottom and any middle may not be that useful to know.

While clubs such as Manchester City are in the majority in WSL1 in having full-time squads, there are still a few teams not yet there and youth players rarely get a meaningful wage, which would considerably skew any average.

"They range dramatically," says Matthew Buck, director of player management at the PFA.

"Over the last couple of years more and more players and teams have gone professional and it's still catching up the system really.

"They range from anywhere from £5000-£10000 on the lower spectrum for players who aren't professional up to around the £35,000 mark for the top earners."

How does the salary cap work?

Having observed what happened with a franchise league in the United States, the FA opted to enforce a salary cap for the WSL.

Basically, all clubs can use only 40 per cent of their turnovers on the wage bill. There are no minimum or maximum limits for individual salaries and the aim is to help clubs grow sustainably and try to keep a degree of equality, even if there will naturally be disparities between the clubs.

If teams can attract more sponsors and bigger crowds, their cap will go up to reflect that.

Do England pay anything?

England internationals have been paid for the last five years through central contracts.

As it stands, 30 players have been awarded central contracts that sit separately from their club contracts. Each of them is given a minimum of £25,000 a year, rising to £30,000 through things such as appearance bonuses.

The player pool has grown since they were first introduced and the money has increased every year.

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14 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I take a glancing interest purely because their name associates them with Bristol City, otherwise I couldn’t care less. 
It’s nice that women get the opportunity to play the game, but it’s got nothing to do with us really and I wouldn’t even class women’s football as “football”. It’s more of a separate sport in its own right, as far as I’m concerned. 

I’ve no interest in women’s football either but I got to respond to you as you don’t see it as the same sport.

They play 90 mins, the rules are the same, same number of people in the team, the pitch size is the same etc, etc. It certainly is football and not a totally different game, sorry but you are wrong.

You might as well say women’s tennis is a totally different sport as they play a few sets less, do women’s darts still have the throwing line closer to the board? There are probably tons of other examples but I believe when it comes to football men and women are equal when it comes to the actual game.

 

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14 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I take a glancing interest purely because their name associates them with Bristol City, otherwise I couldn’t care less. 
It’s nice that women get the opportunity to play the game, but it’s got nothing to do with us really and I wouldn’t even class women’s football as “football”. It’s more of a separate sport in its own right, as far as I’m concerned. 

So if its not Football what is it exactly?

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1 minute ago, RedM said:

I’ve no interest in women’s football either but I got to respond to you as you don’t see it as the same sport.

They play 90 mins, the rules are the same, same number of people in the team, the pitch size is the same etc, etc. It certainly is football and not a totally different game, sorry but you are wrong.

You might as well say women’s tennis is a totally different sport as they play a few sets less, do women’s darts still have the throwing line closer to the board? There are probably tons of other examples but I believe when it comes to football men and women are equal when it comes to the actual game.

 

I would absolutely say that men's and women's tennis are very different sports because the increased height and strength of the men means that the men's game is dominated by serve and volley which has very little place in the women's game.

And when it comes to tennis over the years I have generally preferred to watch the women's game as the serve and volley of Sampras and Lendl was tedious in the extreme.  I also used to work with a keen golfer who preferred to go to women's golf tournaments because they didn't have the massive tee shots.

There are physical differences between men and women; as an example in women's football they use the same goals but the keepers are significantly shorter so you get more soft goals.  The obvious answer is to scale down the goalframe which would make the game closer to the men's even though one of the fundamentals is being changed.

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I was just trying to argue that unlike tennis and possibly darts women don’t get an advantage for being women ( and rightly so). Yes the area of the goal might be easier to score in due to the height of the keepers, but to counteract that they aren’t defending against 6’5” players on the whole either?

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I can only remember a handful of threads over the years about the women's teams, and those have usually been for big news stories.

I don't know why so many of you are bothered by the women's threads being on here, considering there are never any posts.

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51 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I would absolutely say that men's and women's tennis are very different sports because the increased height and strength of the men means that the men's game is dominated by serve and volley which has very little place in the women's game.

And when it comes to tennis over the years I have generally preferred to watch the women's game as the serve and volley of Sampras and Lendl was tedious in the extreme.  I also used to work with a keen golfer who preferred to go to women's golf tournaments because they didn't have the massive tee shots.

There are physical differences between men and women; as an example in women's football they use the same goals but the keepers are significantly shorter so you get more soft goals.  The obvious answer is to scale down the goalframe which would make the game closer to the men's even though one of the fundamentals is being changed.

They play by the same rules, that would make it the same sport. Sampras and Lendl haven't played for years…Murray & co play long rallies these days.

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57 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I would absolutely say that men's and women's tennis are very different sports because the increased height and strength of the men means that the men's game is dominated by serve and volley which has very little place in the women's game.

And when it comes to tennis over the years I have generally preferred to watch the women's game as the serve and volley of Sampras and Lendl was tedious in the extreme.  I also used to work with a keen golfer who preferred to go to women's golf tournaments because they didn't have the massive tee shots.

There are physical differences between men and women; as an example in women's football they use the same goals but the keepers are significantly shorter so you get more soft goals.  The obvious answer is to scale down the goalframe which would make the game closer to the men's even though one of the fundamentals is being changed.

Do you still watch tennis? Very much against the norm now and the women's game hasn't been the same since Clijsters and Henin re-retired, whereas we have seen the best three mens players of all time facing off against each other in the same era. 

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I know they're hardly popular now they've had a mega-embarrassing defeat (and other awful scores), but I'm happy for news about the women's team to appear here. PROVIDING IT'S CLEARLY LABELLED AS ABOUT WOMEN'S FOOTBALL.

That way, the majority, who have no interest in it, can simply skip the threads. It's not like there are lots of them.

Those who want the team to lose the Bristol City name because they aren't very good at the moment might reflect that had we had a women's team at various points in the not too-distant past, maybe they'd have been embarrassed about the men!

 

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I know they're hardly popular now they've had a mega-embarrassing defeat (and other awful scores), but I'm happy for news about the women's team to appear here. PROVIDING IT'S CLEARLY LABELLED AS ABOUT WOMEN'S FOOTBALL.

Which I believe every topic has been

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Just meh!

I class them as Bristol City as thats the badge and name they are representing so they have every given right to be discussed on here and the BCFC website. But it doesn't bother me in the slightest if they win or lose unlike the men's team.  

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1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I would absolutely say that men's and women's tennis are very different sports because the increased height and strength of the men means that the men's game is dominated by serve and volley which has very little place in the women's game.

And when it comes to tennis over the years I have generally preferred to watch the women's game as the serve and volley of Sampras and Lendl was tedious in the extreme.  I also used to work with a keen golfer who preferred to go to women's golf tournaments because they didn't have the massive tee shots.

There are physical differences between men and women; as an example in women's football they use the same goals but the keepers are significantly shorter so you get more soft goals.  The obvious answer is to scale down the goalframe which would make the game closer to the men's even though one of the fundamentals is being changed.

I agree with you in the main but the differences run deeper than that. Women's football was banned from being played on league grounds from 1921-1971. It's been held back 50 years without even looking at the mechanisms that restrict it's growth and development today (emphasis on cosmetic fitness over physical fitness for young girls, socialisation of young girls away from sport, homophobia towards young girls who want to play football, and trivialisation when it's directly compared to the mens game on ability).

It's a really depressing state of affairs that a football team associated with the city of Bristol, and that plays under the same name as the men's team get threads on here that are derailed with tedious sexism and misogyny over and over again. Those of us who have daughters, nieces or young girls in our family who play football will know that they look up to Kelly Smith and Steph Houghton before they look up to Jamie Vardy and Dele Alli. Women's football needs to be encouraged, and it really should have a seperate tab on the football forum.

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5 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I agree with you in the main but the differences run deeper than that. Women's football was banned from being played on league grounds from 1921-1971. It's been held back 50 years without even looking at the mechanisms that restrict it's growth and development today (emphasis on cosmetic fitness over physical fitness for young girls, socialisation of young girls away from sport, homophobia towards young girls who want to play football, and trivialisation when it's directly compared to the mens game on ability).

It's a really depressing state of affairs that a football team associated with the city of Bristol, and that plays under the same name as the men's team get threads on here that are derailed with tedious sexism and misogyny over and over again. Those of us who have daughters, nieces or young girls in our family who play football will know that they look up to Kelly Smith and Steph Houghton before they look up to Jamie Vardy and Dele Alli. Women's football needs to be encouraged, and it really should have a seperate tab on the football forum.

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I agree with all of that; though am out of reactions for today.

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None of the answers fit. I'm not dismissive of them, nor am I as interested in them as in the main men's team.

They're a Bristol City team (which I approve of, so they can grow) and I'd like to see them do well. If they don't, I won't lose any sleep. If they do, I'll give a celebratory "Jolly good" under my breath.

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Can not stand seeing them on bcfc.co.uk

Get your own website and once in a blue moon drop a womens story on our page its fine.might aswell start doing under 15s academy news on bcfc. Co. Uk because thats about the same level of womens football quality.

 

1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

They're called "Bristol City", so it's no different to talking about the Youth team and so forth.  

Why have i never seen an under 10s  article on bcfc website then?

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