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Seneca the Younger

No really, Szmodics

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4 minutes ago, Seneca the Younger said:

 

 

I'd be absolutely fine with this. He looked great in pre-season but has failed to find his place in the team. Paterson's return in Jan will mean opportunities are even more limited for him. Hull and Huddersfield are two decent teams (I'd tip Hull to be this season's "late charge for the play-offs" team) and if he can get minutes in those teams then absolutely send him out.

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Hull are doing alright- would Szmodics get all that much gametime?

If he can get minutes though, then excellent- can't play against us of course but could perhaps damage some playoff contenders.

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I think he would be backup for them so not sure the value. Much prefer somewhere he would guarantee game time but he seems a good influence within the squad as well so if not virtually guaranteed a start I would keep him. 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hull are doing alright- would Szmodics get all that much gametime?

If he can get minutes though, then excellent- can't play against us of course but could perhaps damage some playoff contenders.

Bowen at Hull is out of contract end of season so likely to go in January.

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5 minutes ago, Whitchurch1966 said:

Bowen at Hull is out of contract end of season so likely to go in January.

Hull have year option so it's till end of next season if they obviously trigger that.

I'm just worried Szmodics won't get in either side, as both have some very good players.

If he does get in then it would be a great move. LJ has shown he can take time to play players after they sign.

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Just now, JonDolman said:

Hull have year option so it's till end of next season if they obviously trigger that.

I'm just worried Szmodics won't get in either side, as both have some very good players.

If he does get in then it would be a great move. LJ has shown he can take time to play players after they sign.

Also Bowen is 22- what's the rule with that, is it players under 24 or players under and up to 24 that a club can get compensation for if contract offered?

Would be taking a major chance though!

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Also Bowen is 22- what's the rule with that, is it players under 24 or players under and up to 24 that a club can get compensation for if contract offered?

Would be taking a major chance though!

Think it's players under 24 but I may be wrong. Usually compensation isn't huge. I'm sure he will be sold by next summer rather than letting his contract run down.

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9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Also Bowen is 22- what's the rule with that, is it players under 24 or players under and up to 24 that a club can get compensation for if contract offered?

Would be taking a major chance though!

Hmm, I wonder was a compensation fee would be and what bowens wage would be?? Hes a star in the making!!

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22 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Think it's players under 24 but I may be wrong. Usually compensation isn't huge. I'm sure he will be sold by next summer rather than letting his contract run down.

 

15 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Hmm, I wonder was a compensation fee would be and what bowens wage would be?? Hes a star in the making!!

Overall, I think if he goes it'll be next ie 2020, Summer.

January 2021 of course, but there's the pre-contract thing- or is that just with foreign clubs?

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I laugh when people think having a separate forum for types of topics stops those topics being in the main forum.

Szmodics is pointless here, he's back up to a role we don't use half the time. Get him some game time. Let him get better. Unless he needs more time in LJs coaching system.

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Perhaps a loan with a view to a permanent signing in the summer? 

Maybe been told he has no future with us?

Wouldn't be surprised to see Adelukan go the same way 

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

Perhaps a loan with a view to a permanent signing in the summer? 

Maybe been told he has no future with us?

Wouldn't be surprised to see Adelukan go the same way 

I'd be surprised if Szmodics left permanently in the Summer. He's not really had a fair crack in the first team proper and Johnson has a record of giving players quite a long time in order to find their place. Eliasson, Brownhill, Moore, COD and even Engvall all had at least one full season on the fringes or out on loan before becoming embedded in the matchday squad (or being let go in Engvall's case). Szmodics seems to have bedded in well in the dressing room and we've heard no rumblings about a poor attitude - so there's no reason to let him go from that perspective.

A loan at championship level would be perfect for Szmodics imo, even if it is as back up to Bowen at Hull or Pritchard at Huddersfield.

As for Adelakun...I think he may get one more season here.

Note - all this is without checking the length of contracts, and all assuming we are a Championship team next season.

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52 minutes ago, phantom said:

Perhaps a loan with a view to a permanent signing in the summer? 

Maybe been told he has no future with us?

Wouldn't be surprised to see Adelukan go the same way 

Szmodics I don't feel it's too late for- if he goes to one of these and does alright, he can come back- promotion notwithstanding- and have a fresh crack IMO.

Adelukan, agreed- no real future it seems. He played one game was it- when we were in some terrible form away to Leeds- and yes he was very poor but our form and confidence were low too. We did him or Eisa few favours I believe- loaning them out in January 2019 to upper end League One clubs may have seen a different trajectory- especially Eisa, to Charlton, an area he knows from his Greenwich days and clearly a side who can step up reasonably to this level as we are seeing this season. Adelukan though not a topend loan, return on loan to Scunthorpe may have been ideal for all parties- and reduced their compensation claims at tribunal too while he could develop in an environment he knew- again, injuries permitting.

I had slight concerns about Moore and wondered if it could have been better for him and us had we for example loaned him to a Bundesliga 2 club, mix of technical and pace, to compliment his Lens days and his Lower League loans, but happily these concerns were very much misplaced! 😀

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5 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

I'd be absolutely fine with this. He looked great in pre-season but has failed to find his place in the team. Paterson's return in Jan will mean opportunities are even more limited for him. Hull and Huddersfield are two decent teams (I'd tip Hull to be this season's "late charge for the play-offs" team) and if he can get minutes in those teams then absolutely send him out.

Well if he is no better than Patterson then you wonder why we signed him. 

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1 hour ago, Redrascal2 said:

Well if he is no better than Patterson then you wonder why we signed him. 

 A punt pure and simple.

He will probably be sold - for a small profit - in the summer.

Adelukin will definitely go unless there is a major turnaround.

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2 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said:

Let them have patterson.

If he comes back here he can't go anywhere else, can't play for more than 2 clubs in the same season.

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Another strange signing by lj , can only of been signed as they didnt think they'd get palmer ? Again no run in the side and therefor no real chance to prove himself same as eisa ....... 

 

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14 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

I'd be surprised if Szmodics left permanently in the Summer. He's not really had a fair crack in the first team proper and Johnson has a record of giving players quite a long time in order to find their place. Eliasson, Brownhill, Moore, COD and even Engvall all had at least one full season on the fringes or out on loan before becoming embedded in the matchday squad (or being let go in Engvall's case). Szmodics seems to have bedded in well in the dressing room and we've heard no rumblings about a poor attitude - so there's no reason to let him go from that perspective.

A loan at championship level would be perfect for Szmodics imo, even if it is as back up to Bowen at Hull or Pritchard at Huddersfield.

As for Adelakun...I think he may get one more season here.

Note - all this is without checking the length of contracts, and all assuming we are a Championship team next season.

Eisa?

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Szmodics must have had something- Leeds and Derby were linked with him IIRC.

Intended as a Paterson replacement perhaps- competition for Palmer- with Paterson now linked with a return, he slips that bit further down the pecking order- 3 clubs, one season rule a problem here.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/derby-among-clubs-monitoring-14-goal-midfielder/

Above article was from the summer but he  surely has/had something!

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3 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Another club in the bag..

You need to be able to handle the clubs you already have before moving on to Big Bertha though

Eisa and Szmodics.. 

FORE!

Another lovely post - I think myself and @ZiderEyed are your biggest fans on this site 

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Just now, Phileas Fogg said:

Another lovely post - I think myself and @ZiderEyed are your biggest fans on this site 

😂😂 definitely. Whether you mean it or not Tommy you are ******* hilarious.

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On 03/12/2019 at 16:23, Roger Red Hat said:

Pato is back in Jan.

Is he ?

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3 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

😂😂 definitely. Whether you mean it or not Tommy you are ******* hilarious.

I do, I love his posts. You never know what you're going to get with them

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On 03/12/2019 at 16:16, Simon bristol said:

I think the question is why would those 2 teams want him at this point? He may well come good but at this point hes not an effective championship footballer

Maybe they think he can be a good player at this level?

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9 minutes ago, redrob said:

Part of a deal for Jarrod Bowen or Karlan Grant, yeah? 

I think Newcastle are after Bowen, Steve Bruce signed him while at Hull.

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1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Not for us then. We`re not at that level of transfer fee yet.

Unfortunately yeah- I'd be looking at either a loan for Nketiah, or if he's not available, Vydra for £6m- if the Gayle situation changes then revisit but we aren't going to pay £15m + what will be major wages at this level yet IMO.

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8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Unfortunately yeah- I'd be looking at either a loan for Nketiah, or if he's not available, Vydra for £6m- if the Gayle situation changes then revisit but we aren't going to pay £15m + what will be major wages at this level yet IMO.

Good grief P don't you have any decorations to put, up Christmas shopping to do, a life to lead?😀

16,328 posts WoW !!!

 

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22 hours ago, Northern Red said:

If he comes back here he can't go anywhere else, can't play for more than 2 clubs in the same season.

No first chance we get he needs to go to many like him in the squad all the same .

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I always wonder what clubs offer some of these younger players to convince them to join. The pay rise obviously helps, but they must get told that they will get opportunities if they perform well or players like Szmodics, Eisa and Cundy must get told that we will get them playing at a higher level for more money even if it means a loan. I cannot imagine years in our u23 would appeal to many players currently playing for league clubs.

Other players like Matty Taylor and Adelakun were performing well at a league below so must have been promised that they will be in and around the first team as there would be little progression (other than wages) through loans.

I bet Bakinson and Hinds wish they had stuck it out at Luton.

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