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(Lack of) Atmosphere

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I went with a mate tonight who hasn’t been city before and he commented on how poor the atmosphere is and didn’t even know there was a singing section. 

What’s happened? Mid week matches under the lights always used to have good atmospheres but it was awful tonight and didn’t help the players. 

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Just now, DavidNoble said:

I went with a mate tonight who hasn’t been city before and he commented on how poor the atmosphere is and didn’t even know there was a singing section. 

What’s happened? Mid week matches under the lights always used to have good atmospheres but it was awful tonight and didn’t help the players. 

The game was shite, so the fans usually follow suit. 

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1 minute ago, Carey 6 said:

The game was shite, so the fans usually follow suit. 

This. I thought it was a bit of a cheek of Brownhill to try and rouse the crowd late on. Nothing whatsoever to deserve it

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Another one of these threads which I see on other fans forums all the time now. It's better when we are near the bottom fighting if I'm honest. Another thing is that other than Huddersfield we have been so boring at home.

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24 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

I went with a mate tonight who hasn’t been city before and he commented on how poor the atmosphere is and didn’t even know there was a singing section. 

What’s happened? Mid week matches under the lights always used to have good atmospheres but it was awful tonight and didn’t help the players. 

Tonight's football was flatter than a witches tit which made the atmosphere the same, no surprise. Going to most home games is boring as ****, everyone knows it before kick off so the crowd goes meh

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Just now, GlastonburyRed said:

Not like the old days - I remember when the 'Wall ripped up the away dressing room, that's well within living memory as well - good atmosphere back then!

Can remember that night. What a fun evening that was. Saturdays are not what they used to be.

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30 minutes ago, Little Frank said:

They need to turn the bloody lights in the stands off and stop the white stripes song.

 

Continually asked questions about this in the past but got fobbed off -  it’s ‘health and safety’ apparently so we need Ashton Gate to be like a living room with strip lights.   Absolutely ridiculous but it’s just another small part of the ‘new world’ of football these days. Such a shame.  

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The atmosphere is crap because people don't sing anymore.

People don't sing anymore because, let's face it, it takes a fair bit of alcohol to bring out the singer's confidence,

and here we go, alcohol is too expensive these days and has been for a while so people don't drink the same quantity to get themselves half cut, meaning they don't feel free to express themselves with song.

Is this about right?

Also, and this is what I have said in the past, we no longer have the breed of fan (ringleader) who would dominate and coerce and start the songs, and we'd all feel obligated to join in.

I've noticed that these 40-something alpha males don't seem to exist anymore.  Perhaps they save their cash, wisely, for the away games.

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47 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

I went with a mate tonight who hasn’t been city before and he commented on how poor the atmosphere is and didn’t even know there was a singing section. 

What’s happened? Mid week matches under the lights always used to have good atmospheres but it was awful tonight and didn’t help the players. 

The lights being left on during play has completely killed the previously unique atmosphere at night games.

This 'special atmosphere of Ashton Gate under the lights' the club continuously goes on about no longer exists.

The extra lighting has killed it - and as many other clubs do not appear to follow this policy of lighting up the stands, it appears to be a choice City have made rather than something forced on them.

That being the case it would be honest of them to simply admit it, and that would include stopping all this nonsense of this so-called special atmosphere.

We're not stupid BCFC, it makes a huge difference and these night matches are no longer the extra exciting evening events they once were.

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3 games in 7 days.

From the best away trip ever, to the worst home display since......the last.

All because of trying to second-guess the opposition at home?

Its not clever, it’s ******* stupid.

4-4-2 and ATTACK for **** sake 👍

Another 3 days and this shit all over again 😂

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2 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

The lights being left on during play has completely killed the previously unique atmosphere at night games.

This 'special atmosphere of Ashton Gate under the lights' the club continuously goes on about no longer exists.

The extra lighting has killed it - and as many other clubs do not appear to follow this policy of lighting up the stands, it appears to be a choice City have made rather than something forced on them.

That being the case it would be honest of them to simply admit it, and that would include stopping all this nonsense of this so-called special atmosphere.

We're not stupid BCFC, it makes a huge difference and these night matches are no longer the extra exciting evening events they once were.

I can't remember the lights being on in the stands at the Take That concert, so it can't be a health & safety thing.  

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It's not just the ridiculous strip lighting in the stands, it's also the huge balls of light above every exit - of which there seem to be dozens.

I saw a new ground recently - perhaps Spurs -  where they had similar exits but the lighting was noticeably much dimmer and light green.

So they clearly showed up the exits but didn't cast a huge light.

It looks like City take things to the absolute max. as far as lighting is concerned where perhaps, if they have to leave them on at exits for instance, they could at least significantly lower the brightness of every light in the stadium?

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8 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Never going to be a great atmos, knew it would be lowest crowd of the season, lousy weather , red button to keep a lot of s/t holders at home etc.

I thought that leaving home driving through flooded lanes, could have watched on red button, family trained up from weston to join me and got delayed, so all in all expecting a good game against Millwall made the decision easy - after the last 2 games did not think to factor in the boring at home Johnson effect - should have known better, how many years with a Johnson in charge? I remember getting to division 1 and how exciting that was but I despair at the thought of expecting a Johnson to get us there! 

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3 minutes ago, In the Net said:

I can't remember the lights being on in the stands at the Take That concert, so it can't be a health & safety thing.  

Yep concert lighting or rather the lack of it was raised at the time but never answered. As was the fact that many other new / redeveloped stadiums don’t have anywhere near the amount of lights on that we do and it’s seemingly not a health and safety issue for them. The powers that be are / were seemingly not bothered about it and I guess never will be so long as us ‘customers’ keep paying the entrance fee. 

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There are always posts on the forum about lack of atmosphere / singing / supporting the team etc. As Amelia Earhart said;

“The most effective way to do it, is to do it.”

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55 minutes ago, kevinmabbuttshair said:

Tonight's football was flatter than a witches tit which made the atmosphere the same, no surprise. Going to most home games is boring as ****, everyone knows it before kick off so the crowd goes meh

This is spot on.

I've got my season card so I'll be there every other week this season, but, if I'm not offered better than we've put up with for the last 18 months that's it for me, it'll just be away games.

It's not a knee jerk reaction to tonight's game, is been dross for a long time, I don't care if we go up, I don't mind losing games.....I want to be entertained, I keep leaving Ashton gate stadium feeling so ripped off.

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6 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

There are always posts on the forum about lack of atmosphere / singing / supporting the team etc. As Amelia Earhart said;

“The most effective way to do it, is to do it.”

Fair play to Amelia, she always was a plane speaker.

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All the old hard-core from back in the day are now probably pushing retirement age, the next generation grew up supporting Man United and not City. The generation after that are all young kids.

There aren't many 'lads ... and with all the rules about standing, smoke, drinking in the ground, not to mention the absolute fortune it costs, it's not much fun anymore. 

We're a family club now. Face reality. 

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30 minutes ago, In the Net said:

I can't remember the lights being on in the stands at the Take That concert, so it can't be a health & safety thing.  

I think people were asking them to Relight the Dolman

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5 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

All the old hard-core from back in the day are now probably pushing retirement age, the next generation grew up supporting Man United and not City. The generation after that are all young kids.

There aren't many 'lads ... and with all the rules about standing, smoke, drinking in the ground, not to mention the absolute fortune it costs, it's not much fun anymore. 

We're a family club now. Face reality. 

Agree, Saturdays at the footie and atmosphere are dead and buried was smashed with The Eastend; Families like the bright lights and nice grounds comfy seats etc, most clubs and grounds are the same now, life has been strangled to death out of them.

RIP The Eastend and the countless old grounds that are no more, taken over by entertainment centres and there money making customers. SL has built his dream its not for me.

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Lobby then, get together actually speak out on mass to club that you do not like the lights. Significant and sustained discussion will result in the lights being turned off

but then there would be nothing to moan about right? Talk about apathy, “Steve Lansdown has built his dream not mine” well you know, in some instances the club are not mind readers

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1 hour ago, Fjmcity said:

Lobby then, get together actually speak out on mass to club that you do not like the lights. Significant and sustained discussion will result in the lights being turned off

but then there would be nothing to moan about right? Talk about apathy, “Steve Lansdown has built his dream not mine” well you know, in some instances the club are not mind readers

People have tried. It fell on deaf ears. The SAG is very much a closed shop 

 

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9 hours ago, DavidNoble said:

I went with a mate tonight who hasn’t been city before and he commented on how poor the atmosphere is and didn’t even know there was a singing section. 

What’s happened?

The plastification of football.

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Apart from winning football - there's a few things that could improve the atmosphere in my opinion

  1. Have the 'singing section' closer to the away fans - either in the same stand, directly adjacent to or next to eachother in corners of different stands
  2. Less Downsy - he doesn't need to talk as much as he does
  3. More appropriate music - if they MUST have music, please please sack off 'Seven Nation Army' - it's the sort of thing you'd expect from Reading or Watford. Generic, boring and unimaginative. @Matt Parsons  please pass that on, easy change to make. Explore what other clubs do for pre-match music and come up with something imaginative. 

Games against Millwall used to be some of the best for atmosphere given the potential for needle. In 07/08, when the EE just had a few hundred fans, the atmosphere would've been far better. We have much bigger attendances now but the atmosphere is far worse. 

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2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Apart from winning football - there's a few things that could improve the atmosphere in my opinion

  1. Have the 'singing section' closer to the away fans - either in the same stand, directly adjacent to or next to eachother in corners of different stands
  2. Less Downsy - he doesn't need to talk as much as he does
  3. More appropriate music - if they MUST have music, please please sack off 'Seven Nation Army' - it's the sort of thing you'd expect from Reading or Watford. Generic, boring and unimaginative. @Matt Parsons  please pass that on, easy change to make. Explore what other clubs do for pre-match music and come up with something imaginative. 

Games against Millwall used to be some of the best for atmosphere given the potential for needle. In 07/08, when the EE just had a few hundred fans, the atmosphere would've been far better. We have much bigger attendances now but the atmosphere is far worse. 

It seem so obvious to me. Just play some Massive Attack.

Local band, and would build up the atmosphere rather than just being a repetitive dirge.  

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Maybe the lack of atmosphere could be down to the fact we’re not allowed to stand up compared to away games where most of fans stand the whole game 

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1 minute ago, redsince1994 said:

It seem so obvious to me. Just play some Massive Attack.

Local band, and would build up the atmosphere rather than just being a repetitive dirge.  

Birmingham City use "Turn The Page" by The Streets to great effect. Quite special in my opinion, builds atmosphere, local artist (and fan) plus totally unique. 

'Seven Nation Army' is the total opposite of that - generic, boring, unimaginative, plastic and a horrible choice. The thing that annoys me most about that is that it's obvious our fans would hate that, so who are the people in charge of the music? Obviously people with no understanding of the fan base. 

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@Phileas Fogg you cant compare the EE of 2007 to the singing section of now. Lads behind that were trying to move away from singing sections. Having a singing section is part of the problem. The singing section was used to shut down fans elsewhere. Fans in the Dolman have been told if they want to sing they should go in the singing section.  Fans in the Dolman have been told if they want to put a flag up its no because that is only allowed in the singing section. Result is a quieter stand. A quieter ground as predicted by fans before the redevelopment took place. 

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Remembering the fiery past clashes (quite literally!) with Millwall it's bananas to think we have a thread about the lack of atmosphere - the state of modern football eh! 

Personally reckon we just need to do the obvious - turn a blind eye to heavy drinking, turn a blind eye to persistent standing, have away fans closer to the pitch, split the Atyeo between home and away fans for games without a big following and cut out the PA nonsense and all attempts to force an atmosphere. Atmosphere at football is an organic thing and the idea of a singing section is embarassing in the first place. 

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They need to get rid of 'Section 82' and make the entire east end unreserved seating. Atmosphere comes from large groups of friends joining in together which is why it's better on away days.

It also doesn't help people only come out just as the game kicks off - I used to love walking up to Ashton Gate and you could already hear the singing and atmosphere building from across the other side of the park.

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27 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Birmingham City use "Turn The Page" by The Streets to great effect. Quite special in my opinion, builds atmosphere, local artist (and fan) plus totally unique. 

'Seven Nation Army' is the total opposite of that - generic, boring, unimaginative, plastic and a horrible choice. The thing that annoys me most about that is that it's obvious our fans would hate that, so who are the people in charge of the music? Obviously people with no understanding of the fan base. 

Infuriating isn't it. Bristol is one of the most important cities for the development of so many different areas of the UK music scene, so there is such a huge pool of relevant and better music to choose from.

And we get SNA.

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Bristol Sport banned the word Ultra on flags.

They didn't understand then and don't now.

Life dripping out of the support.

Measures that ..

Gentrify.

Pacify

Its been like watching the tide come in.

SINGING SECTION.

The existence of that says so much.

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The atmosphere was poor in the ‘singing section’ last night because songs were being sung and people just weren’t joining in. Certain people won’t sing unless they have started the songs themselves 🤷‍♂️.

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12 hours ago, AshtonGreat said:

This. I thought it was a bit of a cheek of Brownhill to try and rouse the crowd late on. Nothing whatsoever to deserve it

So you are saying that you won’t give the team abit of support, not even when we are chasing a goal and our Captain is asking for abit of noise, all because you think they do not deserve it?

Yet some wonder why the atmosphere was shit.

Top ‘support’ that

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1 hour ago, Red 90 said:

They need to get rid of 'Section 82' and make the entire east end unreserved seating. Atmosphere comes from large groups of friends joining in together which is why it's better on away days.

It also doesn't help people only come out just as the game kicks off - I used to love walking up to Ashton Gate and you could already hear the singing and atmosphere building from across the other side of the park.

I believe that there is a 10% capacity reduction that is mandatory for unreserved seating- would/could club take the hit of 10% of South Stand being unoccupied?

That said, I largely agree with your post. Unsure about getting rid of s82 though! 

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1 hour ago, Three Lions said:

Fans in the Dolman have been told if they want to sing they should go in the singing section.

Quoted one bit of your post as l I find it fairly stunning and part of me wonders if it's been lost in translation.

Now if you mean by singing stand and sing then it makes more sense. Not saying I agree with it but it follows, makes sense in the current state of play.

Back row standing, bit of noise cascading down? Obviously singing up to stand is more narural- but need to start somewhere, make some small steps out of an unpromising situation.

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1 hour ago, Highguy said:

Maybe the lack of atmosphere could be down to the fact we’re not allowed to stand up compared to away games where most of fans stand the whole game 

That's often how it is in the modern game unfortunately. From what I read on a Tweet by FSF Faircop a while ago, it basically suggested that the way crowd management has evolved is that clubs or Safety Officers take a less hard-line but a more pragmatic approach with away fans when it comes to standing as basically home fans largely have season tickets, are regular.

Easier to control and identify basically , whereas away fans once a year and if a big mass of travelling fans or even whatever number decide they're standing, the pragmatic approach seems to be trying to manage it...at AG we see it with the Singing Section where it's allowed and at times, to an extent, the top row of the Dolman and South Stand.

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12 hours ago, In the Net said:

I can't remember the lights being on in the stands at the Take That concert, so it can't be a health & safety thing.  

It's a CCTV thing. Guarantee, it's so all the cameras can see us all in the stands, doing nothing but watching a game of football. Big Brother killing modern day midweek football.

CCTV, exits, advertising, all taking the focus off the pitch. the thing we actually care about.

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2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Apart from winning football - there's a few things that could improve the atmosphere in my opinion

  1. Have the 'singing section' closer to the away fans - either in the same stand, directly adjacent to or next to eachother in corners of different stands
  2. Less Downsy - he doesn't need to talk as much as he does
  3. More appropriate music - if they MUST have music, please please sack off 'Seven Nation Army' - it's the sort of thing you'd expect from Reading or Watford. Generic, boring and unimaginative. @Matt Parsons  please pass that on, easy change to make. Explore what other clubs do for pre-match music and come up with something imaginative. 

Games against Millwall used to be some of the best for atmosphere given the potential for needle. In 07/08, when the EE just had a few hundred fans, the atmosphere would've been far better. We have much bigger attendances now but the atmosphere is far worse. 

At the Hawthorns and Craven Cottage it is just music as the build up, pumping music of differing genres, classical and rock, and no nonsense on the mic. I don’t need to know “the boys are in the tunnel.” Just shut up! It just bc sounds ridiculous. 
Personally, I preferred William Tell and One for the Bristol City, but I’m happy for something else more atmosphere building if someone can suggest anything. Idles? I fear Massive  Attack may be too soporific 

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19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I believe that there is a 10% capacity reduction that is mandatory for unreserved seating- would/could club take the hit of 10% of South Stand being unoccupied?

That said, I largely agree with your post. Unsure about getting rid of s82 though! 

There's probably a 10% reduction in there anyway as although it always says its full there are plenty of empty seats every weeks. Do you know why for unreserved a reduction is mandatory? I understand with standing but not for that? The club wouldn't lose money on the reduction anyway as there is plenty of other seating around the ground.

I like section 82, they got a lot of stick on here but you cant rely on a small corner to provide atmosphere.. We need them behind the goal with the WHOLE stand joining in not just call it a 'section'! The williams is a joke it's like a corporate box and the Dolman isn't what it used to be so we need an entire end IMO. 

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