Fordy62 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I think it’s hard to disagree with the above. But time after time after time they’re not putting performances in and you’ve got to start questioning why. Johnson is obviously struggling to make us play anything resembling good football. Even a good percentage of this seasons wins have been woeful to watch and whereas there is the 1 in 5 games where everything seems to click into place, we’re just not good to watch. We’ve got more highly paid players than we’ve ever had. I dare say there are a couple nearing 30k. surely the time has come to splash the cash in the most important place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: I think it’s hard to disagree with the above. But time after time after time they’re not putting performances in and you’ve got to start questioning why. Johnson is obviously struggling to make us play anything resembling good football. Even a good percentage of this seasons wins have been woeful to watch and whereas there is the 1 in 5 games where everything seems to click into place, we’re just not good to watch. We’ve got more highly paid players than we’ve ever had. I dare say there are a couple nearing 30k. surely the time has come to splash the cash in the most important place? Do you mean coach or centre forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, The Bard said: Do you mean coach or centre forward? I mean pay what it takes to get Hughton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: surely the time has come to splash the cash in the most important place? Agreed, I'll PM my bank details to SL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I mean pay what it takes to get Hughton. Is he the answer though ? I don't think so. Rather go for Moyes. However, as I've said in previous posts we need to see the season out first and see where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, BigTone said: Is he the answer though ? I don't think so. Rather go for Moyes. However, as I've said in previous posts we need to see the season out first and see where we are. Why should we wait the season out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I mean pay what it takes to get Hughton. Okay. I agree. I wonder whether SL is looking at what Pat Lam has achieved with Bristol Rugby in less time and if this comparison could end up costing LJ? He's nudged us up the Championship almost by stealth whereas Pat Lam has had a remarkable transformative effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 He is underachieving considering quality of squad and finances. He has had massive stability which other clubs havent.... We have progressed positionally but considering the league being far weaker than previous years in terms of there being 2 outstanding teams and very little else playoffs is the expectation. Personally I think there are other managers who could do far more with this squad.... As for identity we dont have one, we never have had one under LJ and that for me is the biggest frustration.....we should have, we dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Why should we wait the season out? Agree with this, As much as i’d like to see Lee succeed I dont think we’ll ever get promoted with him in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lez said: He is underachieving considering quality of squad and finances. He has had massive stability which other clubs havent.... We have progressed positionally but considering the league being far weaker than previous years in terms of there being 2 outstanding teams and very little else playoffs is the expectation. Personally I think there are other managers who could do far more with this squad.... As for identity we dont have one, we never have had one under LJ and that for me is the biggest frustration.....we should have, we dont. It depends how you define stability. Selling your best players every year doesn't breed stability, other than of the financial kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Red 94 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I’m not saying Johnson’s the answer, but you can’t blame everything time and time again. He could get it right tactically in every game, but when these highly talented players can’t stand up and win their physical battles you get performances like today and Tuesday. It’s down to the 11 players on the field to do the business once they cross the white line, and for all of their technical ability they can’t seem to stand up and win their 1 v 1 battles! Whether Johnson is the right man for the job or not over the last 2 games you have to question their desire, commitment and mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Lez said: He is underachieving considering quality of squad and finances. He has had massive stability which other clubs havent.... We have progressed positionally but considering the league being far weaker than previous years in terms of there being 2 outstanding teams and very little else playoffs is the expectation. Personally I think there are other managers who could do far more with this squad.... As for identity we dont have one, we never have had one under LJ and that for me is the biggest frustration.....we should have, we dont. Play offs still is the expectation and we are 7th having been 4th 3 hours ago?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Why should we wait the season out? Just my opinion. We've progressed well no doubting but this season is crunch time and I fully expect SL to act if we become stagnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I mean pay what it takes to get Hughton. Don’t be so bloody stupid,someone who is a successful manager will never be appointed down here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Play offs still is the expectation and we are 7th having been 4th 3 hours ago?! Have you been watching this?? It's absolute dirge....weak,, out muscled,,lacking any shape,spirit/togetherness,,cohesion,,the man on the ball looking for someone to show but nobody showing so back again it goes...the players seem to be unable to deliver what's being asked of them. You can only blame Lee - anybody thinking this is a bona fide play off/promotion chasing set up then you must be howling at the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, chinapig said: It depends how you define stability. Selling your best players every year doesn't breed stability, other than of the financial kind. This is a rubbish excuse we replace with better players we are not weaker for selling Bryan (DaSilva ), Flint (Kalas), Reid (Adobe), Webster (Williams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I think of further concern is the fact that our player of the season so far is Bentley. Imagine where we’d be if he wasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Have you been watching this?? It's absolute dirge....weak,, out muscled,,lacking any shape,spirit/togetherness,,cohesion,,the man on the ball looking for someone to show but nobody showing so back again it goes...the players seem to be unable to deliver what's being asked of them. You can only blame Lee - anybody thinking this is a bona fide play off/promotion chasing set up then you must be howling at the moon. I just try to keep an even keel whether we win or lose, and use the table as a guide to how well we are doing overall. Which is quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Definitely got it wrong this week. Got it so right against Fulham and Huddersfield though. Hope LJ learns from this. Doing well overall so far this season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkInChance Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Top coach for the rugby and the progress is clear, The football well not so clear unfortunately.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, steveybadger said: I just try to keep an even keel whether we win or lose, and use the table as a guide to how well we are doing overall. Which is quite well. Do you not watch games, the table does lie , we’re bang average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Dullmoan Tone said: This is a rubbish excuse we replace with better players we are not weaker for selling Bryan (DaSilva ), Flint (Kalas), Reid (Adobe), Webster (Williams) I could dispute whether Williams is better than Webster or whether the loss of Reid meant we had to completely change our approach but the point is that whoever you bring in you have to mould them into a team, which doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't help of course that 3 of those you mention have been injured for long periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Not fit to lace the boots of the 76/77 promotion side. Rock solid defence, midfield full of running, tackling and goals and a top quality striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 53 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I mean pay what it takes to get Hughton. Big call Fordy but I like it. While I’m not in the LJ our camp by any stretch, I’d struggle to turn down that upgrade down if the option was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, NorfolkInChance said: Top coach for the rugby and the progress is clear, The football well not so clear unfortunately.... A bit of a false comparison perhaps. Nationally and internationally rugby union is a much smaller game. You can get a world class player for no transfer fee and a £1m a year salary. There is zero chance of getting a football coach of similar standing to Pat Lam's in rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Definitely got it wrong this week. Got it so right against Fulham and Huddersfield though. Hope LJ learns from this. Doing well overall so far this season though. Out of interest, what by your standards would be a poor season at this stage? I ask this because I fear Wednesday will give us a hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, harvey54 said: Not fit to lace the boots of the 76/77 promotion side. Rock solid defence, midfield full of running, tacking and goals and a top quality striker True, though Alan Dicks had 9 years to build a structure and a team. Plus there was not the financial disparity created by parachute payments so we could go toe to toe with WBA for promotion in those days on a more level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, glen humphries said: Do you not watch games, the table does lie , we’re bang average No I don't bother watching any games, I just guess and come on here to annoy people. Streuth. Guess what, in some games we're crap and sometimes we're average and sometimes we're good. The last 2 we were poor and the 2 before that we were very good. And the table says we're the 7th best team in the division so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, harvey54 said: Not fit to lace the boots of the 76/77 promotion side. Rock solid defence, midfield full of running, tackling and goals and a top quality striker Bang on, mate. That Forest team, under Clough and Taylor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, mozo said: Out of interest, what by your standards would be a poor season at this stage? I ask this because I fear Wednesday will give us a hiding. Lower half would be poor imo. Top half ok. 7th and 3 points off 3rd good. I think we have the players in most positions to be doing a lot better than these last 2 games. No doubt LJ has made bad decisions in the last 2 that needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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