The Dolman Pragmatist Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Newquay-Red said: Oooh, 9th, 14th, 15th and 13th twenty years ago. What an iconic time. Maybe we should get some banners put up around the Gate? Other clubs would be fiercely envious I’m sure. The 70s were a long time ago whether you like it or not and saying ‘well we were good 40 years ago’; that’s embarrassing. Barring that time, we have historically underachieved. I always find it funny when older fans on here gatekeep that time. Well done; you were born in a different era and were fortunate that us being in the first division occurred at that time. What a fantastic personal achievement! You should definitely make us all aware of that on a regular basis... Plus the whole tired ‘hurr durr do you think football started in 1992’ attitude is totally moronic considering you’re saying it to a fellow fan of this club. Not exactly Premier League glory hunting around here is it mate? You’ve formed that condescending attitude of yours solely due to your age and definitely not wisdom. We are on an upward trajectory over the past couple of years and it’s funny how on here that’s becoming a controversial opinion after two- yes only TWO- losses. I think the derogatory tone of your reply is a bit unnecessary, but I agree with your main point. I saw my first City march in 1962 and my enduring feeling about a lifetime supporting City is that it’s been over 50 years of disappointment and underachievement. Why that is the case, I have given up trying to work out, but four years in the top division for a club with our resources and in a city this size is frankly pathetic. Given that the Championship now is about the same standard as Division One was in the late 70s, I actually think the the last two or three seasons have been about as good as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Newquay-Red said: Oooh, 9th, 14th, 15th and 13th twenty years ago. What an iconic time. Maybe we should get some banners put up around the Gate? Other clubs would be fiercely envious I’m sure. The 70s were a long time ago whether you like it or not and saying ‘well we were good 40 years ago’; that’s embarrassing. Barring that time, we have historically underachieved. I always find it funny when older fans on here gatekeep that time. Well done; you were born in a different era and were fortunate that us being in the first division occurred at that time. What a fantastic personal achievement! You should definitely make us all aware of that on a regular basis... Plus the whole tired ‘hurr durr do you think football started in 1992’ attitude is totally moronic considering you’re saying it to a fellow fan of this club. Not exactly Premier League glory hunting around here is it mate? You’ve formed that condescending attitude of yours solely due to your age and definitely not wisdom. We are on an upward trajectory over the past couple of years and it’s funny how on here that’s becoming a controversial opinion after two- yes only TWO- losses. ....and you maintain a rose tinted outlook solely due to your age and definitely not wisdom. We have not been ‘a total embarrassment at this level until LJ came along’ - as a club we have never really set the world alight but we have certainly not always been a ‘total embarrassment’ in tier 2 either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Newquay-Red said: Oooh, 9th, 14th, 15th and 13th twenty years ago. What an iconic time. Maybe we should get some banners put up around the Gate? Other clubs would be fiercely envious I’m sure. The 70s were a long time ago whether you like it or not and saying ‘well we were good 40 years ago’; that’s embarrassing. Barring that time, we have historically underachieved. I always find it funny when older fans on here gatekeep that time. Well done; you were born in a different era and were fortunate that us being in the first division occurred at that time. What a fantastic personal achievement! You should definitely make us all aware of that on a regular basis... Plus the whole tired ‘hurr durr do you think football started in 1992’ attitude is totally moronic considering you’re saying it to a fellow fan of this club. Not exactly Premier League glory hunting around here is it mate? You’ve formed that condescending attitude of yours solely due to your age and definitely not wisdom. We are on an upward trajectory over the past couple of years and it’s funny how on here that’s becoming a controversial opinion after two- yes only TWO- losses. From where do you get your opinion that we are entitled to be a top performing club in this division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Weiman scored 10 goals last season is already on 6 so far. He always gives 100%. Johnson believes in him and has managed to get him scoring he has scored more goals at city than anytime in his career and in fewer games. So there are more positive s than negatives. It is just a shame that Afobe got injured. We are not in bad position so let’s look at the positives for once ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Bernard Lerring said: I think the main concern about weimann is not whether he's actually any good or not (he is), it's why the rest of the squad have not yet been trained to spot his runs He (and Kasey palmer too,on his day) appear to be a higher calibre of player than the rest, the aim should be to make our entire team of equal quality 13 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: This- very much this! It's funny as I thought that on paper Palmer pushed high and close to Weimann, in a fairly free role could have been the one to do this but not so much to date. If we could pick the early runs in good time then I think Weimann up there as not quite lone striker but especially the main presence could be the way. One way to go might be the right back line and yes good possession, if Nagy can move it on to Brownhill and Eliasson, there is ample creativity yet control to pick these runs. Or should be! OTOH, once in a while, Bentley bypasses defence a bit with the quick pass to Nagy and bypass one of the thirds. Weimann's runs can help to keep defence occupied, quick distribution to Nagy stops them filtering back in.... I think there are some real exciting combinations there and the movement of Weimann plays its part. Disappointed we haven't seen it enough tbh. 13 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Best player we’ve got ... and to answer your point that we ‘don’t have a midfielder able to play him in ...’ - we do, he’s called Kasey Palmer ... oh, and Weimann has played 113 premier league games compared to Bobby Reid’s 27 games at the top level. Weimann is a very intelligent football player who makes incisive runs that many players can’t read - to suggest Reid is a better player, having had just one fine season in his whole career (and he’s now 26 years old), is ridiculous .... Weimann played in the premier league for five consecutive seasons .... and you could even do him the courtesy of spelling his name correctly To paraphrase Eric Morecombe , we have all the right players, but don't necessarily play them in the right order. Palmer is not the type of player you want receiving the ball where he is double marked and all his passing options have been closed down, but with our ponderous build up play from from the back that is what will happen. Against Blackburn, you could time our build up with a calendar, and by the time we got anywhere near the Blackburn half, they had got men behind the ball cutting down options and space. I know Palmer wasn't playing in that game, but had he been then he would almost certainly have been stifled and closed down before having chance to move the ball on. Weimann drags defenders all over the place and creates room form himself, but he needs someone able to spot his runs and play an early ball into that space. Again Palmer has shown that he can do this. Fans say that he only does this on a few occasions, but how many game winning passes do you need a player to make? In my view losing Afobe has been detrimental to both Weimann and Palmer, as all three seemed to be getting on the same wavelength early in the season. Adobe seems a more mobile forward than Famara and by playing more on the shoulder of defenders creates the option for Palmer to play a killer ball into space. All too often our style of play without Afobe seems not to create that type of space. the risk of repeating myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Nest Egg Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Drew Peacock said: From where do you get your opinion that we are entitled to be a top performing club in this division? I don’t hold this opinion at all and find the ‘sleeping giant’ narrative that is spread about us to be cliched and untrue. We are still a relatively small club in this league without a doubt. Our current status is a club punching above their weight and this has been due to our coaching staff and improved infrastructure around the club; I find it a shame that some bash LJ despite all of this. My aspired status for us is to be a club that builds on this and sneaks up, beating bigger, richer and more established clubs along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 16/12/2019 at 11:43, where's the joy said: Ok so Bobby left and Weiman came in; it looked like a direct 'run about a bit' replacement. The difference was that Bobby had a first touch and some turns and could make Fammy look good. Weiman has none of these qualities. He chases lost causes, has a 'Toblerone boot' touch and cannot hold the ball up. Currently we don't have a midfielder able to play him in nor a manager able to train the team how to get the best out of him. I now long for the days when Cotterill didn't fill his bench with spare 'clubs', built a tempo and belief into a settled team and crucially believed all his defensive problems could be solved by buying a quicksilver striker. Which is precisely the place we are in now, needing to spend proper money on a 'top talent' striker we have wasted all this time on Streaky Johnson and us fans have given him an easy ride. Its time for him to shape up or ship out and replace Weiman I agree with the first bit where you say Bobby has a much better touch, turns and that Weimann struggles to hold it up. Disagree with the Johnson bit of your post. He's generally done well imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: I think the derogatory tone of your reply is a bit unnecessary, but I agree with your main point. I saw my first City march in 1962 and my enduring feeling about a lifetime supporting City is that it’s been over 50 years of disappointment and underachievement. Why that is the case, I have given up trying to work out, but four years in the top division for a club with our resources and in a city this size is frankly pathetic. Given that the Championship now is about the same standard as Division One was in the late 70s, I actually think the the last two or three seasons have been about as good as it gets. I started in 1950 and have exactly the same opinions as you. Some on here really do not understand how this club has let us all down with one GOOD YEAR IN TEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Oh for Christ's sake. Weimann is not the problem. He came here under promises that he wouldn't be stuck out on the wing like he was at Derby. Anybody that can't see that when he is played up front in a FRONT TWO he is a goalscorer just plainly can't see full stop. Just like they "can't see" the qualities of Famara when he is played in the same way. Diedhiou and Weimann should be upfront (by which I mean through the ****ing middle)together whenever they are both fit. The problem is not Weimann. The problem is not Diedhiou. The problem is in the dugout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: I started in 1950 and have exactly the same opinions as you. Some on here really do not understand how this club has let us all down with one GOOD YEAR IN TEN. The 'one GOOD YEAR IN TEN' I don't mind so much. It's that that 'one GOOD YEAR' tends to be in League bloody One, beating the likes of Walsall, Gillingham, Swindon etc, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, Superjack said: Oh for Christ's sake. Weimann is not the problem. He came here under promises that he wouldn't be stuck out on the wing like he was at Derby. Anybody that can't see that when he is played up front in a FRONT TWO he is a goalscorer just plainly can't see full stop. Just like they "can't see" the qualities of Famara when he is played in the same way. Diedhiou and Weimann should be upfront (by which I mean through the ****ing middle)together whenever they are both fit. The problem is not Weimann. The problem is not Diedhiou. The problem is in the dugout. I don't think Weimann is much of a goalscorer to be honest. A goal every 278 minutes this season - that's not a particularly good rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Newquay-Red said: I don’t hold this opinion at all and find the ‘sleeping giant’ narrative that is spread about us to be cliched and untrue. We are still a relatively small club in this league without a doubt. Our current status is a club punching above their weight and this has been due to our coaching staff and improved infrastructure around the club; I find it a shame that some bash LJ despite all of this. My aspired status for us is to be a club that builds on this and sneaks up, beating bigger, richer and more established clubs along the way. Small clubs in this division: Barnsley, Luton, QPR, Preston, Brentford, Millwall, Wigan, Hull Medium size clubs: Charlton, Swansea, Cardiff, Brum, Reading, Huddersfield, Blackburn, Bristol City. Big clubs: Leeds, West Brom, Sheff Weds, Forest, Derby, Fulham, Stoke, Middlesbrough We are not in any way, shape or form a "small" club in this division. I struggle to fathom why some folks persist with their belief that we are. Baffling. *(Blackburn could be "small, really. Their crowds are;" Stoke will be "medium" once their PP are gone; Fulham are "medium" without PP; Swansea are pretty "small" really; Middlesbrough are in danger of becoming "medium;" Huddersfield were "small" prior to their streaky promotion to the Prem, and will at some point resort to being "small" again; we are 9th best supported in this division so far this season, just outside the top/"big" 8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Small clubs in this division: Barnsley, Luton, QPR, Preston, Brentford, Millwall, Wigan, Hull Medium size clubs: Charlton, Swansea, Cardiff, Brum, Reading, Huddersfield, Blackburn, Bristol City. Big clubs: Leeds, West Brom, Sheff Weds, Forest, Derby, Fulham, Stoke, Middlesbrough We are not in any way, shape or form a "small" club in this division. I struggle to fathom why some folks persist with their belief that we are. Baffling. *(Blackburn could be "small, really. Their crowds are;" Stoke will be "medium" once their PP are gone; Fulham are "medium" without PP; Swansea are pretty "small" really; Middlesbrough are in danger of becoming "medium;" Huddersfield were "small" prior to their streaky promotion to the Prem, and will at some point resort to being "small" again; we are 9th best supported in this division so far this season, just outside the top/"big" 8). Warming to my own theme, there, I now present, in order of size (beginning with the "biggest") who the "big" boys are amongst the "medium" size Championship clubs: 1. Cardiff 2. Brum 3. Bristol City 4. Huddersfield 5. Charlton 6. Blackburn 7. Swansea 8. Reading Oooh,look at us - we're one of the "big" "medium" size Championship clubs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: I don't think Weimann is much of a goalscorer to be honest. A goal every 278 minutes this season - that's not a particularly good rate. His contribution is more than just goals per minute. If you played him as a true “9”, or the “main striker” you might see a different goal return. But that is not the role he’s been given since Fam returned from his game ban. That’s not me dissing Fam either . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 16/12/2019 at 19:08, BigTone said: I read this forum and I am so glad that non of the posters actually pick the team. Only a matter of time, Tone. Nowadays we - at great cost - elect representatives to go away and spend time on our behalf considering all those highly complex matters such as our trade and foreign relationships, and to consider the best approach and tactics. We also employ advisers to research, evaluate, coach them for us to get the best results. But then we turn round and say forget all that we're going to tell you what to do, based on something we read on the side of a bus, and you get on and do it. By comparison, team selection by OTIB - just leaving LJ and his team to make the best of it - is positively sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 16/12/2019 at 19:08, BigTone said: I read this forum and I am so glad that non of the posters actually pick the team. I can't disagree with you without publically outting @Bicester Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 hours ago, JonDolman said: I don't think Weimann is much of a goalscorer to be honest. A goal every 278 minutes this season - that's not a particularly good rate. Spot on, he is not a natural finisher, the recent wasted chance to score after 3 mins at home to Millwall is a prime example. Yes his movement, when not asked to play wide, is good and he runs about an awful lot and is a pest to defenders, BUT he is not and never will be a 20 goal a season proper striker. If we were to sign Nketiah then I'd hope Weimann finds himself on the bench, but knowing LJ he will ask him to play wide (which really is a poor option). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooko Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 22 hours ago, hertsexile said: Weiman scored 10 goals last season is already on 6 so far. He always gives 100%. Johnson believes in him and has managed to get him scoring he has scored more goals at city than anytime in his career and in fewer games. So there are more positive s than negatives. It is just a shame that Afobe got injured. We are not in bad position so let’s look at the positives for once ! Hertsexile. True, let's not be overly negative There is always going to be split views on players and we all have a little 'football manager' in us. My main gripe is that there appear to be a couple of players in key positions that LJ just won't drop/rotate - currently Weimann and Brownhill (perhaps Nagy but I suspect he will get hooked for a few games). Both need taking out for a few games and their positions freshened up with bench warmers chomping at the bit. Taylor not playing is plain baffling, COD at LWB crazy and the continued partnership of Nagy and Massengo in the engine room totally bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 First name on the teamsheet for me. One of those players that you don't recognise his worth until he's not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partridge is a robin Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 For a smaller player, his heading ability is brilliant, scored 2 or 3 perfectly placed headers, one from an 'impossible' angle. Just as good as if not better than 6'2" diedhiou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 17/12/2019 at 20:24, JonDolman said: I don't think Weimann is much of a goalscorer to be honest. A goal every 278 minutes this season - that's not a particularly good rate. How many of those minutes through the middle in a proper front two though? By which I don't mean the likes of Palmer playing behind him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Superjack said: How many of those minutes through the middle in a proper front two though? By which I don't mean the likes of Palmer playing behind him... He had a strike partner in every game except WBA where he played a lone role. And Leeds game he played wide right but scored anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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