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Lez

Eliasson.....

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1 minute ago, Lez said:

For those who weren't there......ripped them to shreds time and time again.... it one block from his 7 or 8 crosses. Goal assist.....outstanding again.....I'm sure he will leave and not sign a new deal as why would he....

He has been awfully managed....deserves a RUN OF GAMES.

Totally agree he’s the only player who makes things happen. What a shame if he left. Wouldn’t blame him though 

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40 minutes ago, Lez said:

For those who weren't there......ripped them to shreds time and time again.... not one block from his 7 or 8 crosses. Goal assist.....outstanding again.....I'm sure he will leave and not sign a new deal as why would he....

He has been awfully managed....deserves a RUN OF GAMES.

We have a year option.

He’s a frustrating player, for every game like you describe there’s a Blackburn and a millwall.

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Just now, Hare Island said:

We have a year option.

He’s a frustrating player, for every game like you describe there’s a Blackburn and a millwall.

Which is the same for every play in the squad....difference is elliasson creates.

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42 minutes ago, Lez said:

For those who weren't there......ripped them to shreds time and time again.... not one block from his 7 or 8 crosses. Goal assist.....outstanding again.....I'm sure he will leave and not sign a new deal as why would he....

He has been awfully managed....deserves a RUN OF GAMES.

His contract is up in May and if I was him I would be off.

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1 minute ago, Hare Island said:

We have a year option.

He’s a frustrating player, for every game like you describe there’s a Blackburn and a millwall.

Exactly this, everyone including myself calling for him to be in starting line up after a few quality impact sub appearances, gets himself in the team and then performs badly in two games running!? A managers nightmare really.

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"Niclas was good when he came on and that's what we want on a consistent basis. It is a dilemma, to play Niclas or not, and when he turns it on and is fed in good areas, there aren't many more dangerous in the division. When he doesn't, that often leaves us having to over-defend."

We should certainly exercise the year option but wouldn't be surprised if he did move.

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16 minutes ago, Gazred said:

"Niclas was good when he came on and that's what we want on a consistent basis. It is a dilemma, to play Niclas or not, and when he turns it on and is fed in good areas, there aren't many more dangerous in the division. When he doesn't, that often leaves us having to over-defend."

We should certainly exercise the year option but wouldn't be surprised if he did move.

Well i've seen us having to "over defend" time after time with NE sat on his arse on the bench.

LJ doesn't half talk shite

Eliasson is constantly getting the bloke out of jail, or at least lifting the performance of the team on the pitch, and this is the thanks he gets.

I'll tell you what clever clogs, don't play the ****** at all and see how many points we get.

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7 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Exactly this, everyone including myself calling for him to be in starting line up after a few quality impact sub appearances, gets himself in the team and then performs badly in two games running!? A managers nightmare really.

Tell me a player who didnt perform badly in those games....

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9 minutes ago, Gazred said:

"Niclas was good when he came on and that's what we want on a consistent basis. It is a dilemma, to play Niclas or not, and when he turns it on and is fed in good areas, there aren't many more dangerous in the division. When he doesn't, that often leaves us having to over-defend."

We should certainly exercise the year option but wouldn't be surprised if he did move.

For his career he will improve under a better coach so in his own best interests he should move on 

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12 minutes ago, Lez said:

Tell me a player who didnt perform badly in those games....

What idiots like us don't realise is it's NE's fault that they were all bad in those games according to the wise one.

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Just now, AppyDAZE said:

What idiots like us don't realise is it's NE fault they were all bad in those games.

Yep. I mean 2nd highest assists in the league.....normal behaviour for the manager to make him the scapegoat.....too good for us.

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15 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

We have a year option.

He’s a frustrating player, for every game like you describe there’s a Blackburn and a millwall.

So he creates chance time after time from the bench, he plays superb when starting against Huddersfield and Fulham, then has a couple of poor games (where every player was shockingly poor), so rather than drop anyone else who has been pish poor for weeks it's good old Eliasson who has to be dropped. I really don't understand why people automatically seem to think he should be MOTM every single game to get a run of games, if he was he wouldn't be playing for us and would be in the Prem.

His stats speak for themselves, he should be starting for a team who creates **** all without him - and we all have to accept he will create boatloads of chances over the season and along the way have some poor games - like every other footballer. Or we can start with O'Dowda who may well be better at defending but creates naff all. Why not attack teams, play to our strengths (which is NE) and create and score goals and show some entertainment? 

 

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13 minutes ago, wood_red said:

So he creates chance time after time from the bench, he plays superb when starting against Huddersfield and Fulham, then has a couple of poor games (where every player was shockingly poor), so rather than drop anyone else who has been pish poor for weeks it's good old Eliasson who has to be dropped. I really don't understand why people automatically seem to think he should be MOTM every single game to get a run of games, if he was he wouldn't be playing for us and would be in the Prem.

His stats speak for themselves, he should be starting for a team who creates **** all without him - and we all have to accept he will create boatloads of chances over the season and along the way have some poor games - like every other footballer. Or we can start with O'Dowda who may well be better at defending but creates naff all. Why not attack teams, play to our strengths (which is NE) and create and score goals and show some entertainment? 

 

He creates chances as an unknown quantity. As soon as teams realise he’s one-footed he’ll just get shown down the line and nullified. Johnson knows this. And his positional play needs work. So whilst he is having a good season as an impact player he’s shown he can’t sustain it for 90 mins and needs to improve and adapt his game before he will get in a Championship team as a nailed on starter.

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2 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

He creates chances as an unknown quantity. As soon as teams realise he’s one-footed he’ll just get shown down the line and nullified. Johnson knows this. And his positional play needs work. So whilst he is having a good season as an impact player he’s shown he can’t sustain it for 90 mins and needs to improve and adapt his game before he will get in a Championship team as a nailed on starter.

Firstly he isnt one footed.....secondly you are clearly quite naive seeing that teams are scouted.....teams look at the stats and watch teams play whether the manager or others. Clubs know Eliasson and they know his strengths the problem is they struggle to stop him as shown today.

This is the problem people like you just dont understand....and I dont mean to be rude.

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2 minutes ago, Lez said:

Firstly he isnt one footed.....secondly you are clearly quite naive seeing that teams are scouted.....teams look at the stats and watch teams play whether the manager or others. Clubs know Eliasson and they know his strengths the problem is they struggle to stop him as shown today.

This is the problem people like you just dont understand....and I dont mean to be rude.

Thanks for enlightening me so politely o wise one. Must be another  reason why he cuts inside to cross 95% of the time.

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7 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

He creates chances as an unknown quantity. As soon as teams realise he’s one-footed he’ll just get shown down the line and nullified. Johnson knows this. And his positional play needs work. So whilst he is having a good season as an impact player he’s shown he can’t sustain it for 90 mins and needs to improve and adapt his game before he will get in a Championship team as a nailed on starter.

One-footed? Where have you been this season? I dont think you have seen him at all! He’s superb with both feets!

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2 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

He creates chances as an unknown quantity. As soon as teams realise he’s one-footed he’ll just get shown down the line and nullified. Johnson knows this. And his positional play needs work. So whilst he is having a good season as an impact player he’s shown he can’t sustain it for 90 mins and needs to improve and adapt his game before he will get in a Championship team as a nailed on starter.

So how did he manage to do it against Huddersfield for 90 mins, and a near 90 mins against Fulham?  He can also go past players both ways and cross with both feet, you also do not need to always hit a high whipped dipping cross either, you can hit them across the box low and fast.

When he moves from us - as I am sure he will go at the first opportunity (who would blame him), I would bet good money on him being a regular starter for any other Championship side. No other manager/club in this League will look at buying him to be an "impact sub" with his assists he has to his name, NOBODY.

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6 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

Thanks for enlightening me so politely o wise one. Must be another  reason why he cuts inside to cross 95% of the time.

So if he cuts in 95% of the time, how does he have so many assists when everyone knows what he is going to do?? As you said they only have to marshall him down the line to nullify him?

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12 minutes ago, wood_red said:

So if he cuts in 95% of the time, how does he have so many assists when everyone knows what he is going to do?? As you said they only have to marshall him down the line to nullify him?

Teams haven’t cottoned on to his game yet, and aren’t primed to stop him. If and when that happens, he will become less effective. 

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1 hour ago, Spoons said:

Exactly this, everyone including myself calling for him to be in starting line up after a few quality impact sub appearances, gets himself in the team and then performs badly in two games running!? A managers nightmare really.

Why? He will persevere with Brownhill despite the fact that he was the worst midfielder on the pitch for the games where Eliasson was poor. Will continually pick COD despite his last passable performance bing Norwich away. 

And even then his poor performance in those games came from the fact that our tactically innept manager decided that the plan for attacking wad to only ever go up the right and completely ignore the other side of the pitch and then wonder why when faced with 3 players against him Ellison didn't manage to beat them all and cross the ball. 

The man is a ******* moron and Nic would be stupid to stay while he is here as he will only ever play here and there as he is still incapable of playing a stable system or tram after 4 years. 

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1 hour ago, Hare Island said:

We have a year option.

He’s a frustrating player, for every game like you describe there’s a Blackburn and a millwall.

Both games he was doubled up on to stop him!

A decent team and coach wouldve seen this and been able to create space elsewhere to allow for our overload of an extra man. 
He isnt going to have freedom all the time with doubling up tactics. 
But he needs to be in the team. Literally 1 minute today to create something. 
But LJ also needs to find better tactics than just give the ball to him. Its one dimensional and you can read itlike a book. 
We used to do the same with Albert, just give him the ball and hope he creates. 
He has a 1-year option on his contract btw so wont be going anywhere in the summer without a decent fee. 

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Amazing player. I see him being a very good prem player in the future. 

Why on Earth can't LJ find a way of playing someone who is so good..it is ridiculous. Even play him off of Diedhiou in a 352 if he has to. 

He showed with his goal how dangerous he is when coming more central. He's just a fantastic attacking player with the ball at his feet. Dribbling, speed, end product whether that's crossing or shooting.

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32 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

Teams haven’t cottoned on to his game yet, and aren’t primed to stop him. If and when that happens, he will become less effective. 

You said he was a one trick pony who could only cross with one foot. If that is the case how have no team cottoned onto it yet - according to your own posts, one minute teams are scouting every player and know exactly what he does, and the next minute nobody has cottoned onto him yet, but they will sooner or later so he will be ineffective. It seems you are as confused as our head coach with Eliasson.

Eliasson can go inside or outside, can cross with both feet, can play full games, creates chances most games and has the highest assists in the Championship which is from a pathetic, unjustified amount of minutes played. 

But forget about actual facts and just bench him because he has had a poor game when nobody gave him the ball and he had 2 players on him. As above if he is getting doubled up on then you use that to your advantage and create elsewhere with all the extra space and man you have. It really isn't rocket science.

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6 minutes ago, wood_red said:

You said he was a one trick pony who could only cross with one foot. If that is the case how have no team cottoned onto it yet - according to your own posts, one minute teams are scouting every player and know exactly what he does, and the next minute nobody has cottoned onto him yet, but they will sooner or later so he will be ineffective. It seems you are as confused as our head coach with Eliasson.

Eliasson can go inside or outside, can cross with both feet, can play full games, creates chances most games and has the highest assists in the Championship which is from a pathetic, unjustified amount of minutes played. 

But forget about actual facts and just bench him because he has had a poor game when nobody gave him the ball and he had 2 players on him. As above if he is getting doubled up on then you use that to your advantage and create elsewhere with all the extra space and man you have. It really isn't rocket science.

Spot on and thanks for saying everything I've been thinking for ages. Top post @wood_red Brilliant post actually.

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1 hour ago, Hare Island said:

He creates chances as an unknown quantity. As soon as teams realise he’s one-footed he’ll just get shown down the line and nullified. Johnson knows this. And his positional play needs work. So whilst he is having a good season as an impact player he’s shown he can’t sustain it for 90 mins and needs to improve and adapt his game before he will get in a Championship team as a nailed on starter.

Unknown quantity 😂 This ain't the 1960's... Every Champ club knows the ins and outs of 10000s of players around the world

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1 hour ago, Hare Island said:

He creates chances as an unknown quantity. As soon as teams realise he’s one-footed he’ll just get shown down the line and nullified. Johnson knows this. And his positional play needs work. So whilst he is having a good season as an impact player he’s shown he can’t sustain it for 90 mins and needs to improve and adapt his game before he will get in a Championship team as a nailed on starter.

With respect. Bollocks!

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10 minutes ago, wood_red said:

You said he was a one trick pony never said this

who could only cross with one foot. True fact

If that is the case how have no team cottoned onto it yet because he is new to the league in and in out of the team so teams and defenders are yet to prioritise countering his one-dimensional threat

 according to your own posts, one minute teams are scouting every player and know exactly what he does, never said this 

Eliasson can go inside or outside,  can cross with both feet, can play full games, Lolololo 

I think you are confused Mrs Eliasson, perhaps too much Christmas Rekorderlig?

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Seen a comment today; if he was 2nd top scorer  in the league and got dropped after two games there would be uproar. 
 

Lee has to find a way to get him in the team. 

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5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Unknown quantity 😂 This ain't the 1960's... Every Champ club knows the ins and outs of 10000s of players around the world

This is the real world, not Football Manager. In the Championship players are often playing 2x a week. There’s little time for tactical adaptation, plans for players like Eliasson who may not even get on the pitch. 

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4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

With respect. Bollocks!

Strange cos the coaches who see him in training and are paid to analyse his performances seem to think the same. But AppyDAZE knows better I guess.

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50 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Amazing player. I see him being a very good prem player in the future. 

Why on Earth can't LJ find a way of playing someone who is so good..it is ridiculous. Even play him off of Diedhiou in a 352 if he has to. 

He showed with his goal how dangerous he is when coming more central. He's just a fantastic attacking player with the ball at his feet. Dribbling, speed, end product whether that's crossing or shooting.

Been saying for ages, play him off of the front man and let him roam. If it's up top with Fam, he does enough defensively to cover NE if he stays up top.

If his defensive game is still not very good, then get Murray to do some sessions with him - he did a fair bit of defensive work, pretty sure he played RWB a few times earlier in his career? Obviously the defensive side of the coaching staff don't seem to be able to drill it into him.....

Whatever way you look at it, we don't currently seem to be able to get anything from a game unless NE is on the pitch providing the assists/goals. Whilst that does create a number of other questions, mainly what the hell is going on (again) currently, but it proves that he needs to be played.

With Dasilva now back in contention, we'll probably end up going to a back 4 again, so maybe he'll get more game time with a midfield of 4/5?

You build a team around your best players, and currently NE is one of, if not the best that we have.

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3 hours ago, Lez said:

For those who weren't there......ripped them to shreds time and time again.... not one block from his 7 or 8 crosses. Goal assist.....outstanding again.....I'm sure he will leave and not sign a new deal as why would he....

He has been awfully managed....deserves a RUN OF GAMES.

What, you suggest we play the only player on our books who's both skill and courage to take players on and get forward in preference to the Mock Mick who, with devestating effect today, attempted to take on his opponent and with neither skill or commitment ceded possession, threw himself to the ground and thereafter looked utterly distraught when the ref waved play on whilst looking pitifully at him as much as to question why he was on the pitch? Why would WeeLee do that?

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10 minutes ago, Taz said:

Been saying for ages, play him off of the front man and let him roam. If it's up top with Fam, he does enough defensively to cover NE if he stays up top.

If his defensive game is still not very good, then get Murray to do some sessions with him - he did a fair bit of defensive work, pretty sure he played RWB a few times earlier in his career? Obviously the defensive side of the coaching staff don't seem to be able to drill it into him.....

Whatever way you look at it, we don't currently seem to be able to get anything from a game unless NE is on the pitch providing the assists/goals. Whilst that does create a number of other questions, mainly what the hell is going on (again) currently, but it proves that he needs to be played.

With Dasilva now back in contention, we'll probably end up going to a back 4 again, so maybe he'll get more game time with a midfield of 4/5?

You build a team around your best players, and currently NE is one of, if not the best that we have.

Best offensive players him and Dasilva for me. Well and Brownhill when he's at his best. Not hard to fit in Eliasson. He works hard and tackles. I don't get what the problem is from LJ. Why so obsessed with Weimann. 

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Eliasson has kicked on this season.

Even in the home game v Reading, he created the goal for Diedhiou, but was bloody awful defensively second half.  For me, he was on the balance...does the creativity outweigh the flaws defensively.

Over the past two months, the answer is most definitely yes.

He’s got to play.  A poor game is no reason to drop him.  Three on the trot maybe yes, if the rest of the team are playing well, I.e his performance is standout bad.

Some say LJ got lucky at Barnsley, in that injuries forced him to pick a side that the fans had been crying out for....and on a ‘streak” they went.

Is it now time to throw caution to the wind, and try and thrill the fans back, maybe even with Palmer too.  What has he got to lose?

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The fact is that with only one or two exceptions (Huddersfield being the most notable), he has had more impact as a sub than when he has started.   I thing wrong with that, it’s a squad game.  I’d rather see him rip a tiring defence apart in the second half than be mediocre for 75 minutes.  We went all out attack in the second half and left ourselves open at the back.

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Elliasson on the pitch - we create goals. 

Elliasson off the pitch - we don’t look threatening at all. 

If LJ is to take City forward he has to find a way of getting the balance right with Nicolas in the team ASAP. 

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2 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Best offensive players him and Dasilva for me. Well and Brownhill when he's at his best. Not hard to fit in Eliasson. He works hard and tackles. I don't get what the problem is from LJ. Why so obsessed with Weimann. 

Yes, why are you? 😉

Seriously, 8 goals this season, whilst often playing anywhere other than the main striker.  Pops up in the centre of the penalty area to get across his man, to head home.  Not bad really is it.

I’d say that it proves (to an extent) that Diedhiou doesn’t need to be the recipient.  Diedhiou’s defensive abilities is another debate, and worrying that we expect our CF to be so crucial at defensive set pieces.

Without Diedhiou (who has been better of late), we have much more flexibility to overload midfield.

I’s still play him predominantly left side.  Him and Dasilva could save LJ’s bacon.

Could imagine a front 6 of:

                      Nagy or Smith

Brownhill | Palmer | Massengo | Eliasson

                         Weimann

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, why are you? 😉

Seriously, 8 goals this season, whilst often playing anywhere other than the main striker.  Pops up in the centre of the penalty area to get across his man, to head home.  Not bad really is it.

I’d say that it proves (to an extent) that Diedhiou doesn’t need to be the recipient.  Diedhiou’s defensive abilities is another debate, and worrying that we expect our CF to be so crucial at defensive set pieces.

Without Diedhiou (who has been better of late), we have much more flexibility to overload midfield.

I’s still play him predominantly left side.  Him and Dasilva could save LJ’s bacon.

Could imagine a front 6 of:

                      Nagy or Smith

Brownhill | Palmer | Massengo | Eliasson

                         Weimann

Massengo shouldn't be starting on recent performances.

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2 minutes ago, Lez said:

Massengo shouldn't be starting on recent performances.

Maybe not, but rotate 2 of Smith, Nagy and Massengo through the season to keep them fresh.

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1 hour ago, Hare Island said:

This is the real world, not Football Manager. In the Championship players are often playing 2x a week. There’s little time for tactical adaptation, plans for players like Eliasson who may not even get on the pitch. 

Yeah I'm calling BS, someone like Eliasson would stand out for any pre game opposition work, so many assists in the same style.

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11 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Him and Palmer are two players who don’t know how to be played properly and it’ll come back to bite us pretty soon 

So what are the club doing wrong with Palmer then?  I see a player who is significantly underperforming and it’s time the players took responsibility for their own game.  Too much blaming the manager and letting lazy players off the hook.

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, why are you? 😉

Seriously, 8 goals this season, whilst often playing anywhere other than the main striker.  Pops up in the centre of the penalty area to get across his man, to head home.  Not bad really is it.

I’d say that it proves (to an extent) that Diedhiou doesn’t need to be the recipient.  Diedhiou’s defensive abilities is another debate, and worrying that we expect our CF to be so crucial at defensive set pieces.

Without Diedhiou (who has been better of late), we have much more flexibility to overload midfield.

I’s still play him predominantly left side.  Him and Dasilva could save LJ’s bacon.

Could imagine a front 6 of:

                      Nagy or Smith

Brownhill | Palmer | Massengo | Eliasson

                         Weimann

We disagree again Dave!

Weimann has played nearly every minute and has 8 in 24. He has played up front in almost every game and is in and around the box.

But the goals is not the most important factor for me. It's what can he do on the ball as a lone striker.

For me he only seems comfortable on the ball when in space. He often runs wide right, sometimes wide left where funnily enough he looks most comfortable on the ball even though everyone says he isn't a winger!

But with his back to goal I never see him hold it up, or do any kind of skill like Bobby. For me to be a lightweight lone striker, the striker has to be at least very good on the ball, or if not then at least be very quick.

He is neither very good on the ball, or even willing to do what that role needs as I imagine he'd just run out wide at every opportunity. But also he isn't so quick that a ball can be threaded through and he's away. I don't think he is generally quicker than championship centre backs.

Hope I'm wrong, as we could do with a hard working lone striker, but can he do what's needed on the ball. I doubt he can. 

When he played as the main striker against Swansea with Szmodics sort of playing off of him, the ball just kept coming back. We desperately needed Fam on, which we then saw near the end of the first half.

Away at WBA he kept running to the right wing. A tactic by LJ? Possibly. Though a very strange one if so.

But whenever he was central he looked lost. He only looks comfortable when running out wide. That's generally what his movement seems to be most of the time. Getting into space on the flanks having been in a central position.

 

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Maybe we gotta play Eliasson in a free role behind Diedhiou ahead of a 3-5 or 4-4. That way Johnson can have his 8 defenders plus Diedhiou for corners and not worry about what Nic is up to defensively. 

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