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Alan Dicks

The Johnson remain camp

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Just now, kevinmabbuttshair said:

Like father like son

His father arrived with a track record of success, and delivered. His son isn't in the same league.

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2 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said:

Your thoughts please? 

I don’t think he’s the man to get us promoted but I’m also not calling for his head - unless we can replace him with someone better. Only one for me that’s available would be Hughton but would he want to come here? And can anyone see SL actually dropping the axe?

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1 minute ago, glen humphries said:

You about 4 years of age 

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

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4 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said:

The best manager we’ve had in my life time. Get rid because he’s Going through a dip in form 🤨

You must be 4 or younger then..

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4 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said:

The best manager we’ve had in my life time. Get rid because he’s Going through a dip in form 🤨

How old are you?

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If we are to get rid of him, we need to make sure there’s a better manager brought in. 
 

Let’s be honest, he’s been our best manager since his father, we therefore need to bring somebody in who can take us where he can’t, which is the top 6. 
 

Sadly, I can’t see that sort of manager wanting to come here, which will probably mean either Holden or Mcallister would take charge...

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2 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

You would also have to consider the financial backing in that as well.

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2 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

GJ got us to a higher position than LJ will

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First of all there's a difference between agreeing with everything he does and generally supporting him. I know people are looking for outlets to spew their anger.

There's multiple years of on field progression, backed up with the clearly identified problems dating back to the failings of the last window. We need a forward and a defender. And also the instability and problems a new manager can cause.

This game didn't change anything in my opinion, apart from the bizarre decision not to put on Moore straight away. But I'll wait to hear the explanation before I go crazy about that.

So I am happy for him to sign a striker and a defender, and if that doesn't work (assuming they don't get injured straight away) and we don't see clear improvement, the recruitment department and coaching team should ALL go at the end of the season.

At the end of the season, as results are judged at the end of the season, not after every result.

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4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

Joe Jordan.

gary johnson

steve cotterill

probably danny Wilson 

 

Johnson certainly not the worst manager we’ve ever had but plenty of better managers playing better football

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Generally speaking im in the LJ stay camp, our squad has never been so talented and it’s only a bad patch like any team can have. 
However it’s becoming very obvious the “fluid, fast paced, attacking” football we once had has gone, and this new ‘ lets be solid, frustrate the opposition and sneak wins by odd moments of individual quality’ is wearing thin to everyone. 
LJ will be here untill summer, but I have a feeling he’ll be gone on then as I can’t see us being in the Top 6 which will be SL minimum requirement

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Is Danny Wilson still available ? sacked after losing a playoff final could do worse.

It needs to be someone who suits the media age, with charm and TV friendly looks.

 So, Michael Gove probably.

 

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9 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

Name a manager who’s been allowed to spend as much on transfers and sign as many players in the last 30 years?

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Difficult to defend at the moment (pardon the pun).

Ultimately if we can snap out of this rut sharpish then their is still all to play for, we are in no danger of relegation and if we can put a run of results together in the same way Millwall, Reading, Hull and Boro have done over the last month or so then the play-offs is still a strong posibility. Fulham and Preston are currently in similar poor form which only highlights how close this league is at the moment.

In LJ's defence he has continually had to rebuild a team following the loss of players in almost every summer window I can recall which is going to make producing a consistent cohesive team performance very difficult to achieve, on top of this due to our policy of signing young players with potential resale value we are always going to have to live with individual errors / inconsistencies associated with younger players.

We have had a serious injury problem this season with Afobe, Kalas, Dasilva, Nagyetc being out for prolonged spells which will only further disrupt what we are trying to achieve.

For all of those reasons I do sympathise with LJ and don't believe he should be sacked as it stands, what I think irks alot of people is the use of "corporate" language i.e. DNA, Identity, Culture etc. It sounds great when results are going well but when the pressure is on I think fans would prefer the use of more normal approach to media.

I don't think SL is going to be looking at making any change at this moment in time, if the season peters out and we end up bottom half it is a possibility in the summer though. WHat people need to rememebr though is we are only going to be looking at a similar type of coach to replace him given our internal structure so be careful what you wish for!

 

 

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1 minute ago, city1983 said:

Joe Jordan.

gary johnson

steve cotterill

probably danny Wilson 

 

Johnson certainly not the worst manager we’ve ever had but plenty of better managers playing better football

Tbf only GJ has taken us to a position as high as his son has, and the football he played certainly wasn’t great

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13 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said:

The best manager we’ve had in my life time. Get rid because he’s Going through a dip in form 🤨

That reminds me of the Man Utd fan who phoned Talksport saying Moyes had to be sacked as he was the worst manager he’d ever seen in all his years as a Utd fan - the presenter asked how old he was? “18” he answered !!!! So he’d only ever known Fergie and Moyes as Man Utd managers and decided Moyes was the worst he’d ever seen! Superb!

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It’s not just today is it. This season, given the football we have played I still think our current position is flattering. If Brentford are a true PO contender they were a country mile ahead of us all over the pitch.

Nothing against LJ at all. For every club we look at that is above us and spent less money, there is one below us that is spending more. Equally we do seem to have to build a new side every season. He done OK and we are a pretty established Championship side.

Equally, sometimes it just needs to be shaken up and a change is needed. I think on balance that time is now. The football is not fun to watch whatever the score, we should be at no real of relegation this year and that gives a new hand a bit if time.

Sad. Good innings. Time for a change.

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14 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

Says the chairman of the happy clappers

****** wake up

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Don’t really think he can be held accountable for individual errors and a sending off which was essentially our downfall . Thought we played quite well with 10 men at times 

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13 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Name a better manager in the last 30 years? By better I mean consistently earning some of our highest league positions in our history.

Your first sentence is completely different to your 2nd but you're implying it means the same thing.  

Personally, Terry Cooper is the best manager in my lifetime because of the context.  Where we were when he came in and where we were when he left.  LJ has moved us up the table a few places. 

Both his father and Cotts turned us round.  It's been a period of consolidation. 

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Not my quotes but sums the little tosser up

 

'The Peter Principle. Managers are over promoted until they pass their level of competence.

Senior was a short jovial man with a larger than life demeanour, Junior is a short man'

 

'This is in stark contrast to the last manager whom ALL players had full respect for whether they were playing or not.

Junior is spiteful and ducks players over to prove a point.

Players previously knew what to expect and what was required (including fans).. these days I think many just expect the worst.'

 

'It's a naturally not nice personality mixed with having the pish ripped out of him growing up, due to his height, added with a dash of nobody taking him seriously as an adult, due to his height, which has caused it tbf.'

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We've been in this sort of position before and gone on excellent runs out of nowhere. It wouldn't be surprise if that happens again.

That said, we could be in the bottom half soon. If he doesn't get a result sharpish I can't think of many reasons to have any hope he'll turn it round.

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6 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Tbf only GJ has taken us to a position as high as his son has, and the football he played certainly wasn’t great

Well Jimmy Lumsden took us to a 9th place finish in the second tier in 1991 ... I’d say that’s on a par with LJ ...

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3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well Jimmy Lumsden took us to a 9th place finish in the second tier in 1991 ... I’d say that’s on a par with LJ ...

8th is higher than 9th 👀

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4 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

Don’t really think he can be held accountable for individual errors and a sending off which was essentially our downfall . Thought we played quite well with 10 men at times 

He's a football manager.  It's the territory.  

Individual errors continuously happening are a sign of a greater malaise within the squad.  Watching games live it seems to me we are brittle and that certain players seem favoured and undroppable whilst others seem to be hooked far too easily.  Not a meritocracy basically.

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25 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said:

The best manager we’ve had in my life time. Get rid because he’s Going through a dip in form 🤨

How old are you 4? 

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21 minutes ago, city1983 said:

Joe Jordan.

gary johnson

steve cotterill

probably danny Wilson 

 

Johnson certainly not the worst manager we’ve ever had but plenty of better managers playing better football

I really hope you’re not being serious. None of the above have anything like the track record Lee has. You only need to look at seasonal finishes. 
 

Unfortunately this seems like another case of don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone, just like we had with GJ way back when. 

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10 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

8th is higher than 9th 👀

Yes, but circumstances and situations were sooooo different - an equal achievement in my eyes - and we won more games in that 1990/1991 season than LJ did last season - totally admit I’m clutching at straws and dodgy stats to support my point - but it has to be recognised that LJ has been given more support from the owner than any other manager in our history - even relatively speaking - so to me Jimmy Lumsden’s achievement was as impressive as anything LJ has done - and I know it was a fair old time ago but Alan Dicks’ achievements also put LJ in his shadow, although it has to be said that Dicks did enjoy a fair amount of loyalty from the club’s hierarchy at the time - but it wasn’t as fashionable to change manager several times a season back then so most managers were given fairly long term support ...

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14 minutes ago, RonWalker said:

We've been in this sort of position before and gone on excellent runs out of nowhere. It wouldn't be surprise if that happens again.

That said, we could be in the bottom half soon. If he doesn't get a result sharpish I can't think of many reasons to have any hope he'll turn it round.

You've contradicted yourself there

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Thoughts? We’re on a bad run and have failings / shortcomings as a team (as do every team). But 6 games ago we were 4th  - which was a sign of success.

IMO you can’t sack your manager after 5 losses that is knee jerk, fickle, foolish, deluded etc. If you wanted Johnson out 6 games ago when we were fourth then there’s no hope for you.

LJ needs backing in Jan and for the rest of the season then we’ll see where we’re at.

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2 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

You've contradicted yourself there

Sort of, but I'm saying it could happen, that doesn't mean it will. The longer things go south the less faith I think we can have that LJ will pull it out of the bag again.

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We are 2 points off the playoff's and the top six place LJ supposedly can never deliver. We have progressed our league position every season he has been in charge. We are on points to games the 16th best team in the whole country in the last calendar year.  LJ is like Wenger at Arsenal, Moyes at West Ham or Mick McCarthy at Ipswich totally under appreciated for for he has done - the idea we can get a new manager who guaranteed to improve us or take us t the next level is so ridiculous and naive. Not to mention the potential upheaval change in staff and restructuring the players to suit the new mans style. 

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24 minutes ago, brad blit said:

Generally speaking im in the LJ stay camp, our squad has never been so talented and it’s only a bad patch like any team can have. 
However it’s becoming very obvious the “fluid, fast paced, attacking” football we once had has gone, and this new ‘ lets be solid, frustrate the opposition and sneak wins by odd moments of individual quality’ is wearing thin to everyone. 
LJ will be here untill summer, but I have a feeling he’ll be gone on then as I can’t see us being in the Top 6 which will be SL minimum requirement

The thing with this let's be solid thing is patently not working.  How many goals have we shipped in at home now?

With this style of play nothing is going to change anytime soon.

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LJ in before the game and LJ in after the game 

my only negative point after today was I thought Taylor Moore should have started over Williams ( I said that before the game by the way ) as he is more equipped to deal with Brentford’s pace 

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I’m not sure it should be “camps” or “ brigades” . But the reality is LJ has been found wanting in key areas where the top coaches excel . He is not an exceptional talent he is not out of class LJ is simply a good coach . He should be at a Prem club under 23 or in league 1. He has been over promoted and over indulged . He may come good in ten years time . He works so hard and is dedicated . He just is not the stand out talent people believe . We have a great base for a genuine talent to now take over .  But we need change ASAP 

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21 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said:

LJ in before the game and LJ in after the game 

my only negative point after today was I thought Taylor Moore should have started over Williams ( I said that before the game by the way ) as he is more equipped to deal with Brentford’s pace 

We seemed better ( more solid)  earlier in the season with Kalas and Moore at the centre of a back 4 and Nagy just in front.

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19 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said:

We are 2 points off the playoff's and the top six place LJ supposedly can never deliver. We have progressed our league position every season he has been in charge. We are on points to games the 16th best team in the whole country in the last calendar year.  LJ is like Wenger at Arsenal, Moyes at West Ham or Mick McCarthy at Ipswich totally under appreciated for for he has done - the idea we can get a new manager who guaranteed to improve us or take us t the next level is so ridiculous and naive. Not to mention the potential upheaval change in staff and restructuring the players to suit the new mans style. 

So are you actually implying we stick with LJ to make that next step?? If so you are clearly blinkered.... If you went to Charlton boxing day you would have witnessed a deeper problem in the camp and once that happens you either normally remove the players who have questioned the managers tactics or the manager goes. Personally we're in a catch 22 so get loans in if we can and see where we end up but to move forward LJ and Co have to go.

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1 hour ago, kevinmabbuttshair said:

Like father like son

Certainly true with the dull, pedestrian and uninspired football they serve up............😴

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