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Respect Lee Johnson

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Respecting him which I do for what he's do to make us a stable championship team has nothing to do with thinking he's never going to take us to the prem which I also do, just feels to me that he's took us as far as he can and nothing is going to change that, 

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You can be grateful for what he has done and recognise what he is not achieving with the resources he has been given. Both are correct. Expectations change, deal with it.

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hmm...I respect the OP,  but if LJ had gone 18 months ago he'd have achieved no less. It's not a lack of respect to consider his time up...he's had umpteen 'last pushes' of support, and come up short. 

EDIT: no pun intended!

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Don’t buy the whole “deserves” argument. He is paid handsomely to do a job. That’s his reward. We literally owe him nothing.

I can fully appreciate that Johnson has established us as a top-half side. But I no longer believe he is the man to take us further. Our performances are simply too inconsistent.

Rather than allow Johnson to spend the club’s money because of some overly personal notion that he somehow “deserves” that privilege, I would suggest now is the time to make a change - preferably Chris Hughton. The new man would not be expected to achieve promotion this season but neither would he have the pressure of a relegation fight. We’ve become stale. Now is a good time to freshen things up.

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Since he's been in charge he has brought in 50 players I think it shows he shouldn't be trusted another transfer window

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6 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

As most of you will know, I'm a fan of Lee Johnson, but, today I've got to say my confidence was a little bit rocked.  Yes, I've got strong opinions, but I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated.  

Lets take a step back for a second, which I know will be hard, especially if you have just witnessed that complete shower.  Now, what Lee Johnson has done for this club over the years is far bigger than these last 6 games.  It really is.  He's turned this football club into a well run, respected and rated football club within English football (and outside). 
Little old "Brizzle" was nowhere to be seen on the footballing spectrum.  Ironically, the only reason we are having these sorts of discussions is a testament to how far he has taken us!  A few seasons ago, we were counting down the points until we reached the magical 50 mark. 

This leads me on to my point.  Without Lee and the rest of his staff, we as a football club wouldn't be in this position.  We wouldn't, I think we can all agree on that.  I'm not just talking about the team, I'm talking about technology, scouting methods, ethos.  There is so much more to being a manager than simply picking a starting 11. 

What I'm trying to say is, I'm shocked at the simple lack of respect that is being shown by some of our supporters towards someone who has taken this club and pushed it forward to a new level. A level, where we aren't happy unless we are sat within the playoffs.  Just let that sink in a second.  He's taken us to a position where we feel we have the god given right to be there.  He has taken us to a place where we are shouting vitriol at someone who has set our exceptions so high, that we must compete with teams who have 10x the spending power. 

Is he the man to take us to that next level, who knows, but one thing I am god damn sure of is, he deserves our RESPECT.   

The guy deserve this window.  He deserves to get until the end of the season and then we can reevaluate.  SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

 

I think your right about respected but when the going gets tough we crumble, the manager was limited as a player and I really think he's reached his tipping point and I think lansdown needs to say thank you and goodbye 

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5 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

For 65 signings or more, an 8 figure accumulated turnover, massive losses, so many useless 'ones for the future' and 'ones from my past' that even the accountants have lost count; for drab, unattractive and downright clueless football; for lame excuse after lame excuse, he deserves nothing more than a long overdue delivery of his P45.

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9 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

As most of you will know, I'm a fan of Lee Johnson, but, today I've got to say my confidence was a little bit rocked.  Yes, I've got strong opinions, but I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated.  

Lets take a step back for a second, which I know will be hard, especially if you have just witnessed that complete shower.  Now, what Lee Johnson has done for this club over the years is far bigger than these last 6 games.  It really is.  He's turned this football club into a well run, respected and rated football club within English football (and outside). 
Little old "Brizzle" was nowhere to be seen on the footballing spectrum.  Ironically, the only reason we are having these sorts of discussions is a testament to how far he has taken us!  A few seasons ago, we were counting down the points until we reached the magical 50 mark. 

This leads me on to my point.  Without Lee and the rest of his staff, we as a football club wouldn't be in this position.  We wouldn't, I think we can all agree on that.  I'm not just talking about the team, I'm talking about technology, scouting methods, ethos.  There is so much more to being a manager than simply picking a starting 11. 

What I'm trying to say is, I'm shocked at the simple lack of respect that is being shown by some of our supporters towards someone who has taken this club and pushed it forward to a new level. A level, where we aren't happy unless we are sat within the playoffs.  Just let that sink in a second.  He's taken us to a position where we feel we have the god given right to be there.  He has taken us to a place where we are shouting vitriol at someone who has set our exceptions so high, that we must compete with teams who have 10x the spending power. 

Is he the man to take us to that next level, who knows, but one thing I am god damn sure of is, he deserves our RESPECT.   

The guy deserve this window.  He deserves to get until the end of the season and then we can reevaluate.  SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

 

How do you know what state the club would be in if Johnson had never been appointed ?

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Johnson has established us as a Champ team i will grant you that......however i am also confident any single other manager given the same resources would of done exactly the same, most likely even more. Some are blinded by him purely down to the fact it’s LJ and the media have told us he is one of the best young coaches around, i really don’t see it unfortunately.

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Sadly got it VERY wrong today 

We were being outplayed before the sending off 

If you are going to make the defensive change you do it after the sending off

We should have brought Mooore on for Hunt and played three at the back

Our boys looked like rabbits in headlights today 

Sadly I think LJs time is coming to an end

Either back him in January and really go for it or dip him out now and give someone else time to shape our squad

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2 minutes ago, City_USA said:

Honest question. Do you think all the players respect him?

If you drink around Bristol it's fairly common knowledge what they are saying about him

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Trouble is if we give him to the end of the season , in between theres a transfer window , where he will cry that prices are overinflated, or waste more money! 
 

then there’s the season   ticket renewal period , most people renew then the club will spin that as support for Johnson.  

with Johnson in charge we will never go up , we haven’t even had a play off season in his tenure 

Johnson out
 

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

If you drink around Bristol it's fairly common knowledge what they are saying about him

And that is?

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1 minute ago, glen humphries said:

I think the willbraham interview gave a good insight into what players think of lj .

That was an interesting interview

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6 minutes ago, City_USA said:

Honest question. Do you think all the players respect him?

No and what is an International Captain like Nagy going to learn from a 2nd Division player like LJ ?

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

If you drink around Bristol it's fairly common knowledge what they are saying about him

We’ve all heard the rumours, but take a lot of it with a pinch of salt 

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I agree with the original post..

Realistically would any other manager get more out of this current squad...?

Lee Johnson has had to sell some really important players like Webster, Bryan , Reid, Kelly an injury to Afobe was a massive loss.

I'd personally allow him another transfer window and until the end of the season before a reflection on the season.

 

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21 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

As most of you will know, I'm a fan of Lee Johnson, but, today I've got to say my confidence was a little bit rocked.  Yes, I've got strong opinions, but I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated.  

Lets take a step back for a second, which I know will be hard, especially if you have just witnessed that complete shower.  Now, what Lee Johnson has done for this club over the years is far bigger than these last 6 games.  It really is.  He's turned this football club into a well run, respected and rated football club within English football (and outside). 
Little old "Brizzle" was nowhere to be seen on the footballing spectrum.  Ironically, the only reason we are having these sorts of discussions is a testament to how far he has taken us!  A few seasons ago, we were counting down the points until we reached the magical 50 mark. 

This leads me on to my point.  Without Lee and the rest of his staff, we as a football club wouldn't be in this position.  We wouldn't, I think we can all agree on that.  I'm not just talking about the team, I'm talking about technology, scouting methods, ethos.  There is so much more to being a manager than simply picking a starting 11. 

What I'm trying to say is, I'm shocked at the simple lack of respect that is being shown by some of our supporters towards someone who has taken this club and pushed it forward to a new level. A level, where we aren't happy unless we are sat within the playoffs.  Just let that sink in a second.  He's taken us to a position where we feel we have the god given right to be there.  He has taken us to a place where we are shouting vitriol at someone who has set our exceptions so high, that we must compete with teams who have 10x the spending power. 

Is he the man to take us to that next level, who knows, but one thing I am god damn sure of is, he deserves our RESPECT.   

The guy deserve this window.  He deserves to get until the end of the season and then we can reevaluate.  SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

 

I don’t understand why anyone would think he DESERVES to be given this transfer window or until the end of the season.

He has been given opportunities previously and failed every time.

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Why can’t you change your opinion or let it be swayed? You are constantly getting new information about LJ. It is great you believe in him but why would you blindly do it? Just to say I stuck by him in case he magically gets it right?
 

I have been LJ in most his tenure and that fluctuates because I have 4 seasons of information to base it on and compare to. At this point, with all the good he has done, this is the worst he has performed. He has gotten more out of less before. He now has every club you could ask for in a bag(poor caddy!). He has had money(don’t give me net spend go look at Brentford’s and who they lost last summer). He has been given a top 10 budget(again higher than a club like Brentford). Of course this should sway an opinion because he is doing less with more. 

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5 minutes ago, 50cal said:

I agree with the original post..

Realistically would any other manager get more out of this current squad...?

Lee Johnson has had to sell some really important players like Webster, Bryan , Reid, Kelly an injury to Afobe was a massive loss.

I'd personally allow him another transfer window and until the end of the season before a reflection on the season.

 

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2 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Why can’t you change your opinion or let it be swayed? You are constantly getting new information about LJ. It is great you believe in him but why would you blindly do it? Just to say I stuck by him in case he magically gets it right?
 

I have been LJ in most his tenure and that fluctuates because I have 4 seasons of information to base it on and compare to. At this point, with all the good he has done, this is the worst he has performed. He has gotten more out of less before. He now has every club you could ask for in a bag(poor caddy!). He has had money(don’t give me net spend go look at Brentford’s and who they lost last summer). He has been given a top 10 budget(again higher than a club like Brentford). Of course this should sway an opinion because he is doing less with more. 

I can. Thats what I've written - "I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated"

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From a high level perspective. We have gone through 60 odd players and millions to spend to be an average Championship side that play shit football.

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4 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Look at how much money we have made from a good handful of those players. 

Yes but that is Mark Ashton not LJ

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26 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

As most of you will know, I'm a fan of Lee Johnson, but, today I've got to say my confidence was a little bit rocked.  Yes, I've got strong opinions, but I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated.  

Lets take a step back for a second, which I know will be hard, especially if you have just witnessed that complete shower.  Now, what Lee Johnson has done for this club over the years is far bigger than these last 6 games.  It really is.  He's turned this football club into a well run, respected and rated football club within English football (and outside). 
Little old "Brizzle" was nowhere to be seen on the footballing spectrum.  Ironically, the only reason we are having these sorts of discussions is a testament to how far he has taken us!  A few seasons ago, we were counting down the points until we reached the magical 50 mark. 

This leads me on to my point.  Without Lee and the rest of his staff, we as a football club wouldn't be in this position.  We wouldn't, I think we can all agree on that.  I'm not just talking about the team, I'm talking about technology, scouting methods, ethos.  There is so much more to being a manager than simply picking a starting 11. 

What I'm trying to say is, I'm shocked at the simple lack of respect that is being shown by some of our supporters towards someone who has taken this club and pushed it forward to a new level. A level, where we aren't happy unless we are sat within the playoffs.  Just let that sink in a second.  He's taken us to a position where we feel we have the god given right to be there.  He has taken us to a place where we are shouting vitriol at someone who has set our exceptions so high, that we must compete with teams who have 10x the spending power. 

Is he the man to take us to that next level, who knows, but one thing I am god damn sure of is, he deserves our RESPECT.   

The guy deserve this window.  He deserves to get until the end of the season and then we can reevaluate.  SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

 

Whos to say another group of people may have not already taken us to the next level. Another window? Why does he deserve that? How many more players does he need? 

He'll get my respect when he steps down. Can't see Lansdown doing anything about it unfortunately.

 

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7 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

I can. Thats what I've written - "I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated"

My apologies

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19 minutes ago, City_USA said:

Honest question. Do you think all the players respect him?

I can't believe someone's asked this question after watching 10 put in a real shift against one of the better teams in this division. If the players didn't respect him, at 2-0 down with 10 men they'd pack up but they didn't. 

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2 minutes ago, David Brent said:

He’d get a lot more respect from me if he wasn’t such an embarrassment at full time. 

This is spot on. 

Away from what a placebo of a football manager he is, the bloke is an utter embarrassment.

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4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Why can’t you change your opinion or let it be swayed? You are constantly getting new information about LJ. It is great you believe in him but why would you blindly do it? Just to say I stuck by him in case he magically gets it right?
 

I have been LJ in most his tenure and that fluctuates because I have 4 seasons of information to base it on and compare to. At this point, with all the good he has done, this is the worst he has performed. He has gotten more out of less before. He now has every club you could ask for in a bag(poor caddy!). He has had money(don’t give me net spend go look at Brentford’s and who they lost last summer). He has been given a top 10 budget(again higher than a club like Brentford). Of course this should sway an opinion because he is doing less with more. 

This is pretty much exactly where I am.

I’ve not written LJ off yet and I completely accept he could still get the team back on track for the rest of the season.  But five defeats in six is not good enough and a four nil home defeat certainly is not either. 

I still think LJ has done a good job on the whole and I do respect him for that but there has been little in recent months that suggests he knows his best team, has a clear idea of how he wants us to play or is getting the best out of the players. At the moment I don’t have confidence he can push us on and take us to the next level. I fully accept I may be proven wrong - and I will hold my head up if so - but I feel that, whilst LJ deserves credit for raising expectations at the club, the expectation of a top six finish is reasonable in terms of the progress the club has made in recent years. At the moment sticking with him to deliver a consistent promotion challenge feels like a decision based on faith rather than evidence. And I am not convinced that faith is warranted based on recent months.

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14 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

I personally think he keeps the players/staff that like to say ‘yes sir’ and if you don’t then you are out

Just like his Uncle Stevie!

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11 minutes ago, 50cal said:

 

Realistically would any other manager get more out of this current squad...?.

 

Good god, yes.....that’s the whole point. He is not managing the squad he has, does not appear to be a man manager, does not know his best team or formation, is tactically naive and spouts on about an ‘identity’ that absolutely nobody else can see. 

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7 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

We’ve all heard the rumours, but take a lot of it with a pinch of salt 

Well one that ISN'T a rumour is WeeLee's spectacular falling out and sideline 'punishment' of GON and Tomlin. In one crass exposition of his management skills he decided to undertake a half time, highly personal criticism of senior players. They openly questioned how he might know how the game should be played given he'd never himself played at the highest level? He took the bait responding that he 'could have had he wanted'. They openly laughed in his face, mockingly reminding him of his less than spectacular lower-league career and at the point he mentioned Scottish football the ridicule became complete.

Small man complex, as another touchline temper tantrum this afternoon reminded us.

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27 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

Johnson has established us as a Champ team i will grant you that......however i am also confident any single other manager given the same resources would of done exactly the same, most likely even more. Some are blinded by him purely down to the fact it’s LJ and the media have told us he is one of the best young coaches around, i really don’t see it unfortunately.

Reading this means I don’t have to write what I was going to write. Thank you. 

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3 minutes ago, CheddarReds said:

I can't believe someone's asked this question after watching 10 put in a real shift against one of the better teams in this division. If the players didn't respect him, at 2-0 down with 10 men they'd pack up but they didn't. 

You do realise we just lost 4-0 without a serious attempt on goal (again) don’t you?

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42 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

As most of you will know, I'm a fan of Lee Johnson, but, today I've got to say my confidence was a little bit rocked.  Yes, I've got strong opinions, but I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated.  

Lets take a step back for a second, which I know will be hard, especially if you have just witnessed that complete shower.  Now, what Lee Johnson has done for this club over the years is far bigger than these last 6 games.  It really is.  He's turned this football club into a well run, respected and rated football club within English football (and outside). 
Little old "Brizzle" was nowhere to be seen on the footballing spectrum.  Ironically, the only reason we are having these sorts of discussions is a testament to how far he has taken us!  A few seasons ago, we were counting down the points until we reached the magical 50 mark. 

This leads me on to my point.  Without Lee and the rest of his staff, we as a football club wouldn't be in this position.  We wouldn't, I think we can all agree on that.  I'm not just talking about the team, I'm talking about technology, scouting methods, ethos.  There is so much more to being a manager than simply picking a starting 11. 

What I'm trying to say is, I'm shocked at the simple lack of respect that is being shown by some of our supporters towards someone who has taken this club and pushed it forward to a new level. A level, where we aren't happy unless we are sat within the playoffs.  Just let that sink in a second.  He's taken us to a position where we feel we have the god given right to be there.  He has taken us to a place where we are shouting vitriol at someone who has set our exceptions so high, that we must compete with teams who have 10x the spending power. 

Is he the man to take us to that next level, who knows, but one thing I am god damn sure of is, he deserves our RESPECT.   

The guy deserve this window.  He deserves to get until the end of the season and then we can reevaluate.  SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

 

Problem is my old mate that many of us believe that that the only reason LJ is our present manager is because SL is comfortable with the Johnson family. Gary and now Lee. SL likes to keep a dictator-like hand on his football Club and will not appoint anyone he sees as a threat. Lee Johnson has not achieved anything as manager, he does not have the attributes to take us where SL says he wants us to be, ie. in the Premiership. Therefore all one can say is that it's not entirely his fault he is in the wrong job. We were told Lee was "the outstanding candidate in a strong field of applicants"or words to that effect. If anyone believed that at the time or still believes they are deluded.

LJ has received the resources from SL to make 60 signings during his tenure and some of these players are undoubtedly talented. But what one sees time and time again is that after quite a short period of time these talented players appear to lose their way, appear to lose their confidence and with it their talent. Many of us believe that the reason for this is that LJ does not know how to set up a team and enable these talented players to succeed as a team.

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1 minute ago, RedRaw said:

You do realise we just lost 4-0 without a serious attempt on goal (again) don’t you?

But one thing that was obvious is the players didn't just down tools and give up, which is what would've happened if they didn't respect or didn't want to play for Johnson. 

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37 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

As most of you will know, I'm a fan of Lee Johnson, but, today I've got to say my confidence was a little bit rocked.  Yes, I've got strong opinions, but I'm also not arrogant enough to have my opinion swayed, changed or debated.  

Lets take a step back for a second, which I know will be hard, especially if you have just witnessed that complete shower.  Now, what Lee Johnson has done for this club over the years is far bigger than these last 6 games.  It really is.  He's turned this football club into a well run, respected and rated football club within English football (and outside). 
Little old "Brizzle" was nowhere to be seen on the footballing spectrum.  Ironically, the only reason we are having these sorts of discussions is a testament to how far he has taken us!  A few seasons ago, we were counting down the points until we reached the magical 50 mark. 

This leads me on to my point.  Without Lee and the rest of his staff, we as a football club wouldn't be in this position.  We wouldn't, I think we can all agree on that.  I'm not just talking about the team, I'm talking about technology, scouting methods, ethos.  There is so much more to being a manager than simply picking a starting 11. 

What I'm trying to say is, I'm shocked at the simple lack of respect that is being shown by some of our supporters towards someone who has taken this club and pushed it forward to a new level. A level, where we aren't happy unless we are sat within the playoffs.  Just let that sink in a second.  He's taken us to a position where we feel we have the god given right to be there.  He has taken us to a place where we are shouting vitriol at someone who has set our exceptions so high, that we must compete with teams who have 10x the spending power. 

Is he the man to take us to that next level, who knows, but one thing I am god damn sure of is, he deserves our RESPECT.   

The guy deserve this window.  He deserves to get until the end of the season and then we can reevaluate.  SL himself has said he wants progression, so lets give the LJ one last push of support, because he f**cking deserves it. 

 

No He needs a swift kick up the ass. If he is staying its up to him to turn his 38 man squad around. The players are clearly demotivated and any amount of spin and backward glances don't change that!

 

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I don’t blame Johnson today; I blame Williams. Brentford are also about the worst team to play with only 10 men; they can pass you to death even when you have 11 men. Only positives for me today are (1) Fam’s performance and (2) Moore now has a chance to stake a claim and make the position his own,

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Why are people prepared to give him another window ...7 - seven - of his summer signings didn't make the team today, 3 didn't even make the bench.

Almost 60 signed, he wanted 3 windows !  Every summer and every January he says he needs more players. It's just excuses all the time. He's a fraud.... the post match interview tells you everything - try to say we matched them and would have won with 11...he didn't believe it himself- just spouting out more rubbish to pathetically cling on to his job.

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2 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

Problem is my old mate that many of us believe that that the only reason LJ is our present manager is because SL is "in love" with the Johnson family. SL is comfortable with them. SL likes to keep a dictator-like hand on his football Club and will not appoint anyone he sees as a threat. Lee Johnson has not achieved anything as manager, he does not have the attributes to take us where SL says he wants us to be, ie. in the Premiership. Therefore all one can say is that it's not entirely his fault he is in the wrong job. We were told Lee was "the outstanding candidate in a strong field of applicants"or words to that effect. If anyone believed that at the time or still believes they are deluded.

LJ has received the resources from SL to make 60 signings during his tenure and some of these players are undoubtedly talented. But what one sees time and time again is that after quite a short period of time these talented players appear to lose their way, appear to lose their confidence and with it their talent. Many of us believe that the reason for this is that LJ does not know how to set up a team and enable these talented players to succeed as a team.

you're right.

 

also remember that SL is first and foremost a  business man and Bristol Sport is his primary concern.   He's got Mark Ashton in charge of the ins and outs transfer wise at BCFC.    SL is certainly delighted at the results Ashton has been getting financially.     Commercially speaking , staying in the Championship and making a killing selling players to Premiership clubs is a good business model.

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I rate the guy. But this run, with this squad simply isn't good enough. SL / JL have big decisions to make in the next day or two with regards to money

Back him, or find the man to take us to the next level. And before you ask, I have no idea who's next off the rank if it is time for a change

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