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The hand of RO'D

Johnsons position under scrutiny.

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I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation. 

I'm not going to post my source but feel free to go back through my last topics/posts for my credentials. 

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Wouldn't surprise me - he's had a haunted look in his last couple of past match appearances.

I'm not often ITK but a couple of conversations since the summer have left me understanding that the traits LJ's critics comment on in this forum...notably his occasional apparent chucking of players under the bus, often young players, in post-match interviews and what's considered his 'David Brent' manner...are known and discussed in the wider world of football. Which must get back to the powers that be.

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It probably is, given the current situation, but what does it mean? IMHO, the club with (rightly) but working towards solutions with LJ in rather than out of the picture. Especially so considering the new contract he signed last year and the way the club has moved through these poor runs in the last four years. 

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8 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation. 

I'm not going to post my source but feel free to go back through my last topics/posts for my credentials. 

Come on Jon do what’s necessary, will be best thing for everyone.

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Lee Johnson is a like a bloke who’s walked into a bookies and gone up to a fruit machine. 
 

Fortunately the bloke playing the fruit machine before LJ left £100 in the bank. LJ has no idea how to play the fruit machine, but he’s seen it work enough to be able to talk about matching up 3 fruits, so he’s bluffing his way through chalking up the odd fiver here or there. Only problem is he’s now run out of money. And he needs to ask to borrow some more. 
 

My god I hope you’re right. 

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9 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation. 

I'm not going to post my source but feel free to go back through my last topics/posts for my credentials. 

Jon tells dad ' you've got to sack him dad' . Steve replies ' No' . End of conversation. 

Your good authority means nothing as it's sir Steve who makes the decisions not Jon. 

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9 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation. 

I'm not going to post my source but feel free to go back through my last topics/posts for my credentials. 

One of your close relations or a close relation of Steve Lansdown, à son perhaps ? 

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2 minutes ago, Modestant said:

It probably is, given the current situation, but what does it mean? IMHO, the club with (rightly) but working towards solutions with LJ in rather than out of the picture. Especially so considering the new contract he signed last year and the way the club has moved through these poor runs in the last four years. 

Except technically we haven't moved through the poor runs, because they usually mean us missing out on the play-offs

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Got himself a red card too today.  Unless it gets overturned, that’s what a 3 game touchline?  Not very helpful is it in our current situation.

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2 minutes ago, Modestant said:

It probably is, given the current situation, but what does it mean? IMHO, the club with (rightly) but working towards solutions with LJ in rather than out of the picture. Especially so considering the new contract he signed last year and the way the club has moved through these poor runs in the last four years. 

I feel we've done enough of that. It's time for the next phase of the long term programme.

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4 minutes ago, Modestant said:

It probably is, given the current situation, but what does it mean? IMHO, the club with (rightly) but working towards solutions with LJ in rather than out of the picture. Especially so considering the new contract he signed last year and the way the club has moved through these poor runs in the last four years. 

I'd imagine so yes. That's all I've been told is that it's under scrutiny and by no means am I saying hell be sacked. I guess we'll just have to wait and see

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Problem is, now is a crap time to be looking at ditching your manager. Transfer window is open, LJ and the board have probably already outlined a few players who they may even have enquired about or have deals sorted. Say we get rid of him, is there anyone immediately ready to join and make signings? If not, how long will it take to get someone, will any of the window be left? It’s a bad time to sack someone IMO.

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Got himself a red card too today.  Unless it gets overturned, that’s what a 3 game touchline?  Not very helpful is it in our current situation.

Maybe it is helpful!!

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1 minute ago, BCFC_95 said:

Problem is, now is a crap time to be looking at ditching your manager. Transfer window is open, LJ and the board have probably already outlined a few players who they may even have enquired about or have deals sorted. Say we get rid of him, is there anyone immediately ready to join and make signings? If not, how long will it take to get someone, will any of the window be left? It’s a bad time to sack someone IMO.

Timing didn’t stop SL sacking Cotts.

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Just now, The hand of RO'D said:

I'd imagine so yes. That's all I've been told is that it's under scrutiny and by no means am I saying hell be sacked. I guess we'll just have to wait and see

Tbf Id be worried if it wasn’t at least being discussed with him and separately amongst the Board. Doesn’t mean anything will happen though. 

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2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Lee Johnson is a like a bloke who’s walked into a bookies and gone up to a fruit machine. 
 

Fortunately the bloke playing the fruit machine before LJ left £100 in the bank. LJ has no idea how to play the fruit machine, but he’s seen it work enough to be able to talk about matching up 3 fruits, so he’s bluffing his way through chalking up the odd fiver here or there. Only problem is he’s now run out of money. And he needs to ask to borrow some more. 
 

My god I hope you’re right. 

Brilliant! YES!....Post of 2020!!!

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Got himself a red card too today.  Unless it gets overturned, that’s what a 3 game touchline?  Not very helpful is it in our current situation.

You say that. Could be more helpful than having him down there! Can’t be any worse surely?

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Timing didn’t stop SL sacking Cotts.

True. Especially doesn’t matter if LJ isn’t the one deciding on the transfers...

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13 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation. 

I'm not going to post my source but feel free to go back through my last topics/posts for my credentials. 

So that's the Chairman then?

Ultimately no-one is happy. But nothing is going to change until the summer. Unless of course, the board decides to suddenly show some ambition; over what they consider to be their expectations for this club.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Timing didn’t stop SL sacking Cotts.

We were very near bottom and looking to Sack Cloth to save our season!...Timing was right.

The timing is right now too! We have a window and need the right manager. But WHO?

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5 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Jon tells dad ' you've got to sack him dad' . Steve replies ' No' . End of conversation. 

Your good authority means nothing as it's sir Steve who makes the decisions not Jon. 

Don’t need to be dismissive of it, the OP has a history of being reliable.

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4 minutes ago, BCFC_95 said:

Problem is, now is a crap time to be looking at ditching your manager. Transfer window is open, LJ and the board have probably already outlined a few players who they may even have enquired about or have deals sorted. Say we get rid of him, is there anyone immediately ready to join and make signings? If not, how long will it take to get someone, will any of the window be left? It’s a bad time to sack someone IMO.

Who cares. The man at the helm is more important than any January signings. We’re in no danger of relegation and we won’t finish in the top six under Johnson so if we’re going to change do it ASAP so the new man has as long as possible to evaluate ready for the summer. 

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IF his position is being discussed, then it’s about time. He ain’t the man for the job; one win against united or not.  He’s clearly out of his depth and I’d argue that the more he has moved both the management setup and the team towards his ‘own’ the worse we have got. He’s an alcoholic that’s been given the keys to the brewery. 

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15 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation

As SL is not scrutinising LJ then nobody’s else’s opinion matters.

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Got himself a red card too today.  Unless it gets overturned, that’s what a 3 game touchline?  Not very helpful is it in our current situation.

Is it 3 games?

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1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

We were very near bottom and looking to Sack Cloth to save our season!...Timing was right.

The timing is right now too! We have a window and need the right manager. But WHO?

Jamie McAllister

 

(wouldn’t be my choice, but SL said himself that when he brought him back he saw his as a future City manager)

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

As SL is not scrutinising LJ then nobody’s else’s opinion matters.

It’s not run as a dictatorship, if the rest of the execs tell Lansdown he should go then he will listen.

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7 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Lee Johnson is a like a bloke who’s walked into a bookies and gone up to a fruit machine. 
 

Fortunately the bloke playing the fruit machine before LJ left £100 in the bank. LJ has no idea how to play the fruit machine, but he’s seen it work enough to be able to talk about matching up 3 fruits, so he’s bluffing his way through chalking up the odd fiver here or there. Only problem is he’s now run out of money. And he needs to ask to borrow some more. 
 

My god I hope you’re right. 

It was Cotts that put £100 in and should’ve got the jackpot repeater.

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2 minutes ago, BCFC_95 said:

Problem is, now is a crap time to be looking at ditching your manager. Transfer window is open, LJ and the board have probably already outlined a few players who they may even have enquired about or have deals sorted. Say we get rid of him, is there anyone immediately ready to join and make signings? If not, how long will it take to get someone, will any of the window be left? It’s a bad time to sack someone IMO.

Agree that timing is the big issue at the moment.

The only way I can see SL getting rid of Lj just now, is if a replacement has already been sounded out and ready to step in immediately and that he is happy with potential transfer targets we might be pursuing.

My gut feeling is that if LJ's position is under scrutiny as suggested, it is most likely to result in some sort of warning, with season end targets agreed and if not met will see LJ go in the summer. The only exception might be if SL is unhappy with LJ's personal behaviour and poor reactions post match. IIRC Lj's Dad got the chop more for what was going on in the dressing room , rather than results on the pitch.

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Jamie McAllister

 

(wouldn’t be my choice, but SL said himself that when he brought him back he saw his as a future City manager)

I’ve always had a hunch that McAllister will make a good manager. Seems to have the mentality for it.

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The one issue above all else that Johnson has been unable to stem is that we all know he will lead us through at least one horrendous, relegation form run every season, rather than a bad run that every club suffers. 5 defeats in 6 is only a few more games off horrendous. That will ultimately be his undoing at this club......whenever it is one of these “runs” will eventually be one too many.

Even Sky (Prutton, Hendrie etc.) brazenly mock him with the nickname “Streaky Lee”.........

Whether now is the right time to bomb him out I’m not sure but he cannot be bombproof at this point. When Steve Lansdown, his son, whoever look at the family investment and find themselves looking up at Millwall, Preston and Hull who are not bankrolled to anything close to the amount that we are currently they are bound to be asking questions?

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3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Don’t need to be dismissive of it, the OP has a history of being reliable.

Seriously the OP is making out he's got scoop of the day here!! Bloody obvious his position his under scrutiny!

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8 minutes ago, Spoons said:

Jon tells dad ' you've got to sack him dad' . Steve replies ' No' . End of conversation. 

Your good authority means nothing as it's sir Steve who makes the decisions not Jon. 

This is very true. However this conversation has been had before between board members and I'm not too sure how many more they need to make before they realise where the problem lies. 

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Jamie McAllister

 

(wouldn’t be my choice, but SL said himself that when he brought him back he saw his as a future City manager)

please no!...I respect the chap, would be a good coach in the team of whoever takes over, but the lessons of the past couple of decades are surely that you need to appoint someone with a track record of achieving the goals you have set...which Cotts and GJ had, and delivered.

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Jamie McAllister

 

(wouldn’t be my choice, but SL said himself that when he brought him back he saw his as a future City manager)

Mmmmm. I never really considered that. JMc has had plenty of arguments with LJ and will at least be considered as a temp I guess.

I wonder if JL has his eye on anyone else? 

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He won’t be sacked until a replacement is finalised. Might take a few weeks.
Tactics and team strategy makes no sense.
But he has to be on borrowed time now. His lame excuses in post match interviews is just embarrassing.
Throwing his players under the bus is just not on. Johnson OUT!

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Timing didn’t stop SL sacking Cotts.

Things in common:

1. Denying reality. Cotts insisting 3-5-2 was working and everything would come good in the next game, then the next ... LJ denying we have a problem playing at home and never once noting our awful defensive record.

2. Losing composure. Cotts losing it with fans, LJ with opposition staff.

Ominous signs when a coach loses control of the situation to that extent.

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Just now, Phileas Fogg said:

It’s not run as a dictatorship, if the rest of the execs tell Lansdown he should go then he will listen.

Not when it comes to major decisions like changing the manager - that is entirely down to SL.

Senior staff at AG spoke to SL previously about replacing LJ and SL stood firm and refused to.

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If you had pumped time, money and effort into a club, then got completely played off the park by Millwall, Brentford and Blackburn to an extent (these clubs would love our ground, owner, players, support etc) where the common denominator is all have had superior tactics, formation, substitutions by managers/coaches that have out played our coach (who to be fair in his tenure still doesn’t know his best 11/system etc) while buying 50 players in the process. Time for someone to take it to the next level, time for quality over quantity and someone who can man manage seasoned professionals not destroy talent (KP for example).

so cant say I’m surprised at all, time will tell I guess......

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1 minute ago, Spoons said:

Seriously the OP is making out he's got scoop of the day here!! Bloody obvious his position his under scrutiny!

Well I think it’s worth posting. He has a history of being reliable - so it’s interesting to officially confirm that it sounds like his position is being considered.

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22 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I have it on very good authority that LJs position as manager is under scrutiny tonight, not from Steve but a very close relation. 

I'm not going to post my source but feel free to go back through my last topics/posts for my credentials. 

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Not when it comes to major decisions like changing the manager - that is entirely down to SL.

Senior staff at AG spoke to SL previously about replacing LJ and SL stood firm and refused to.

Then SL is the problem   

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

Things in common:

1. Denying reality. Cotts insisting 3-5-2 was working and everything would come good in the next game, then the next ... LJ denying we have a problem playing at home and never once noting our awful defensive record.

2. Losing composure. Cotts losing it with fans, LJ with opposition staff.

Ominous signs when a coach loses control of the situation to that extent.

I did think the incident at the end of the game had parallels with that Cotterill incident - that sort of thing Lansdown looks unkindly on. Johnson cannot talk his players about discipline on the pitch when he reacts like that. Totally undermines himself.

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Not when it comes to major decisions like changing the manager - that is entirely down to SL.

Senior staff at AG spoke to SL previously about replacing LJ and SL stood firm and refused to.

You don’t know how that played out - if the rest of the board were definite Johnson needs to go, and it was totally unanimous - he wouldn’t ignore them.

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2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Not when it comes to major decisions like changing the manager - that is entirely down to SL.

Senior staff at AG spoke to SL previously about replacing LJ and SL stood firm and refused to.

But there’s only so many times that he will be given and protected - even by SL. 

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1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I did think the incident at the end of the game had parallels with that Cotterill incident - that sort of thing Lansdown looks unkindly on. Johnson cannot talk his players about discipline on the pitch when he reacts like that. Totally undermines himself.

....wasn't there also an incident with the opposition bench against Blackburn? 

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1 minute ago, The hand of RO'D said:

This is very true. However this conversation has been had before between board members and I'm not too sure how many more they need to make before they realise where the problem lies. 

I agree, they have had the conversations before; and nothing happened.

What makes anyone believe that it's going to be different this time? We are in 11th. 15 points off the relegation zone. 

Yea, going nowhere in a hurry; but hardly the panic stations of the past. 

The lack of decision making is more symptonmatic of the lack of ambition of the board. Will be positive to put a spin on a lower end finish at the end of the season though.

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 Was concerned after LJ interview on radio Brizzle, when he saw lots positives !!   Sadly there were none to most of us, grasping at straws ?

  Fact is with the transfer window open, if , and a massive if, a change was to made, then it will happen PDQ to give who ever a chance ?  Warnock anyone !! Available after 'retiring'  I just wonder ?

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