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Tim Bartlett

Next manager?

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5 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Howe would easily get a premier league job

Likes a project and the Westcountry though. Not one of his last jobs before retirement like Hughton too.

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5 minutes ago, Kibs said:

That maybe true of his time trying to keep them in the Premiership but they were certainly a good attacking side the year they went up.

They were a mixed attacking side- a mixed style.

They averaged 13.24 shots per game and of these, about 4.37 shots on target per game.

Decent but not incredible. Certainly more at home though!

FootCharts could be wrong of course though...but if right it's less than we averaged last season!

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

Chris Hughton has rejected Watford, Stoke and Sheffield Wednesday in recent months just so everyone knows....

wasn't the rumour that he was hoping to land the West Ham job, but now that's gone to Moyes...

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

They were a mixed attacking side- a mixed style.

They averaged 13.24 shots per game and of these, about 4.37 shots on target per game.

Decent but not incredible. Certainly more at home though!

FootCharts could be wrong of course though...but if right it's less than we averaged last season!

Certainly not incredible. I said they were good - and to be fair, I would take “decent” over what we have produced this season!!!

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4 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

All jokes aside it’s high time we stopped thinking of ourselves as the little old Bristol City we were ten years ago  

We have top class facilities, a generous and sometimes unfathomably patient owner and a talented squad. 

Everything at this club is ready for a serious promotion challenge, not just as some plucky outsider but as a genuine force under the right management. 

IMO and not being biased, if it were available, this would be one of the most attractive vacancies outside of the premier league. 

All good points, but begging one massive question...why then hasn't our 'unfathomably patient' owner lost patience and gone out and found a manager to match the facilities, squad and all the talk of a serious promotion challenge?

I think the answer lies in the comfort that comes with the 'plucky outsider' mindset. 

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1 hour ago, reddogkev said:

I don't believe LJ will be sacked this season, but admit he is walking the tight rope now, so for me it would be former Fulham boss Jokanovic.

A tight rope? You've  changed your tune quite quickly? 

Just before Luton you were saying how he was in credit and deserves all the support in the world for what hes done for us. Changed your mind after 1 win and 1 loss??

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My dear fellow City-mad football die-hards I wish you a Happy New Year.

The skeins fell from my eyes some years ago.

I'm sorry to have to say that unless our beloved Feuhrer (SL, otherwise known as our dictator in charge  of his plaything football Club) has had an Epiphany or other violent religious experience over Christmas and at the Brentford game, nothing will change.

Even if he appoints another manager this season it will be a non-threatening Yes Man, rather than someone who has the balls and experience to have already done what he says he wants (ie. taken a Championship Club into the Prem)

I'm cursed, you're cursed, we're all cursed following BCFC. It's a matter of how we deal with the pain 

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1 hour ago, RedRock said:

A manager who can build a TEAM, small squad - quality not quantity, players with mental and physical strength, a consistent game plan and identity, someone who can spot talent, who has won trophies and promotion, plays fast, entertaining attacking football......

Come back Cotts, all is forgiven.

 

 

Just imagine a Cotts/Warnock combination - that would sort out our soft underbelly out once and for all!

Yeah...you still didn’t really give a suggestion unless you’re advocating human cloning and what half of Warnock would we have! *shudder*

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Barring an Act of God at Failand our next manager will require two distinct skill sets. Forget the one everybody focusses on of being able to identify and acquire talent. For the next year or so they'll have to work the miracle of rejuvenating those with talent in our squad whilst making a silk purse from the many sow's ears we've accumulated.

The problem with rubbish is nobody wants it except, it might appear, us.

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According to the "yet another" bland and insipid  piece by Gregor McGregor in the Bristol Post, LJ states..............."I think we are in a good place (?), we have a strong squad, good players, and we have found the formula  (?)"  Also "I actually feel really positive about a lot of what I saw today"   The bracketed question marks are mine.   Thanks for those insights.  If I was Mcgregor, I would certainly have asked .......What is the formula Lee?  But that would be too controversial!

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I'd be happy with Colin til the end of the season. He's proven at this level and I think he'd have a lot of respect from the dressing room. Some fans don't like him but his abrasive style is bound to miff a lot of people and he'd be fighting for us not against us. 

No to John Terry. Tony Adams2 in the making. I think he lacks the intelligence to be a manager. 

Long term I'd want somebody who has done their apprenticeship at lower levels and has had some success. Nathan Jones struggled with a squad full of Premier league strong characters but I think he will succeed somewhere else where he can build. 

Pardew would have to be on my shortlist too

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2 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

As a resident of Sussex and consequently with many friends supporting Brighton, I think I can say with a fair degree of confidence that none of them would have him back as a gift. His style of play cautious and not entertaining...nice man but that’s where it ends.

 

Can't remember if it was the season they went up, or may have been the season before, Brighton ripped us apart on a Tuesday night at the gate, 0-4

One of the best displays I've seen in 30+ years on being a City fan. I remember thinking I'd have CH in a heartbeat if and when the opportunity arose. Was surprised to read how the fans turned on him so quick once they'd gone up. Did the cautious style of play only come in once they were in the PL? If so, I can understand that! Get up, stay up and build from there

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7 minutes ago, 'Orns said:

Can't remember if it was the season they went up, or may have been the season before, Brighton ripped us apart on a Tuesday night at the gate, 0-4

One of the best displays I've seen in 30+ years on being a City fan. I remember thinking I'd have CH in a heartbeat if and when the opportunity arose. Was surprised to read how the fans turned on him so quick once they'd gone up. Did the cautious style of play only come in once they were in the PL? If so, I can understand that! Get up, stay up and build from there

Stats can mask a true picture. Teams who are very clinical might look or seem better than they are, in terms of underlying performances.

4-0 it was but might be interested to know that they actually had less possession that evening and only 4 shots on target. I know, I checked!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35584346

In fact it was 3 shots on target...we scored an OG and missed a penalty, very late consolation though it would've been! They were very good but clinical sides can mask a true performance level or style of play.

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1 hour ago, Red Exile said:

All good points, but begging one massive question...why then hasn't our 'unfathomably patient' owner lost patience and gone out and found a manager to match the facilities, squad and all the talk of a serious promotion challenge?

I think the answer lies in the comfort that comes with the 'plucky outsider' mindset. 

I think it’s a bit of not wanting to run before we can walk, which was probably appropriate say 3/4 years ago. And mixed in with some stubbornness in wanting to be able to say he was right all along. 

And of course it can’t be argued that we haven’t improved year on year under LJs stewardship, that’s written in the history books as fact. 

But we now find ourselves at a crossroads. Does he really have the ambition to do what it takes to push this club to the next level? 

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Don’t want him sacked. Only the unrealistic managers would I replace him with. Ones that play entertaining football, Dean Smith if he got sacked, Moyes I thought may have been realistic pre-west ham.  
 

Wait to see how the season pans out, even if we finish outside the playoffs I’d let LJ start the season. 

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2 hours ago, RedDave said:

Chris Hughton has rejected Watford, Stoke and Sheffield Wednesday in recent months just so everyone knows....

Well our recent form is worse that theirs so why on earth would he come to the gate . Don’t mention Stoke as they will finish higher than us if we keep continuing the way we are 

 

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2 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Ah yes, a manager who would rather have empty space on the bench than play academy players 

Who stubbornly refused to change a formation that wasn’t working

Who tried to bring in unrealistic targets instead of build a sustainable squad

Its time we looked forward for a new manager, not back

Ah, the bench issue. Well may be, just may be, that was a message to the Academy Players and Coaches is that he wanted ‘winners’ and ‘fighters’ not people with a sense of entitlement. A place on the bench was something you worked for rather than be gifted.  May be he had identified we were ‘soft’? 

 

A case of which do you prefer, a current manager who constantly shuffles the pack, seemingly bemuses players by constant tactic changes to a degree they look embarrassingly useless and clueless?

 

Unrealistic targets? I thought the rumour was that we had secured Macguire, only for some chap of ours to go off and try and renegotiate the deal while Cotts was on holiday. Maybe wrong though.

 

Anyhows, was half-joking with the suggestions but sad that 4 years on are needing people of that sort of ilk to sort the Club out. And before the word ‘progress’ enters the debate 10 years on we’re one place higher. Painfully slow progress on the pitch -and I still can’t buy a beanie from the Club shop at Xmas a decade on either 🙂 

It’s almost amusing. Almost. 

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30 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

I think it’s a bit of not wanting to run before we can walk, which was probably appropriate say 3/4 years ago. And mixed in with some stubbornness in wanting to be able to say he was right all along. 

And of course it can’t be argued that we haven’t improved year on year under LJs stewardship, that’s written in the history books as fact. 

But we now find ourselves at a crossroads. Does he really have the ambition to do what it takes to push this club to the next level? 

Well, I've long doubted that Steve Lansdown does have that ambition...in any more than a "wouldn't it be nice if it happened" kind of way. I don't believe he is a die-hard football supporter, the football club has fulfilled a different role in his life, given him profile and the sort of adulation anyone would appreciate, and gives his son a meaningful role. I don't criticise him for that, and have found him perfectly pleasant when I've met him. He's unquestionably left a legacy of infrastructure but on the pitch we've undeniably struggled to progress under his tenure, for all his investment.

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3 hours ago, EmissionImpossible said:

There’s bound to be a good suggestion soon.......

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I was thinking the same! Seems pointless replacing LJ when the suggested replacements are far worse... 

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3 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

Well, I've long doubted that Steve Lansdown does have that ambition...in any more than a "wouldn't it be nice if it happened" kind of way. I don't believe he is a die-hard football supporter, the football club has fulfilled a different role in his life, given him profile and the sort of adulation anyone would appreciate, and gives his son a meaningful role. I don't criticise him for that, and have found him perfectly pleasant when I've met him. He's unquestionably left a legacy of infrastructure but on the pitch we've undeniably struggled to progress under his tenure, for all his investment.

I guess we’ll soon find out either way. If LJ is still at the helm on the 1st August then it’ll be very telling just how much he wants it. 

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I think we should probably look overseas. The director of football and head coach role is fairly new in this country. 

Also I am sure lots of promising young managers are more than willing to come to a championship club.

I think we have the structure of the club right we just need a coach who can really improve young players and someone who is tactically sound.

I think LJ has done ok but I don’t think he’s quite good enough to take us to the next level.

 

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31 minutes ago, City oz said:

Well our recent form is worse that theirs so why on earth would he come to the gate . Don’t mention Stoke as they will finish higher than us if we keep continuing the way we are 

Come off it, do you really think recent form impacts a manager’s decision? Unless it’s the end of the season and they’re likely to inherit a relegated side it’s largely irrelevant.  

If recent form were good then clubs wouldn’t be looking for a manager in the first place!

Someone like Hughton would look at a multitude of factors in deciding whether a role is right for him. Vision of the owner, financial situation, squad that’s being inherited, facilities, philosophies that he’s expected to work to etc.

High time we stopped putting ourselves down as a club. If and when this job becomes vacant it’s got to be one of the most attractive in the EFL, in a world of batshit crazy trigger happy owners and FFP breaches left right and centre.

Everything is in place for a talented manager to achieve something that we haven’t seen in more than 40 years.

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3 hours ago, RedRock said:

A manager who can build a TEAM, small squad - quality not quantity, players with mental and physical strength, a consistent game plan and identity, someone who can spot talent, who has won trophies and promotion, plays fast, entertaining attacking football......

Come back Cotts, all is forgiven.

 

 

Just imagine a Cotts/Warnock combination - that would sort out our soft underbelly out once and for all!

Cotts was not a yes man. That's the problem

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2 hours ago, Red Exile said:

All good points, but begging one massive question...why then hasn't our 'unfathomably patient' owner lost patience and gone out and found a manager to match the facilities, squad and all the talk of a serious promotion challenge?

I think the answer lies in the comfort that comes with the 'plucky outsider' mindset. 

 

1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

I think it’s a bit of not wanting to run before we can walk, which was probably appropriate say 3/4 years ago. And mixed in with some stubbornness in wanting to be able to say he was right all along. 

And of course it can’t be argued that we haven’t improved year on year under LJs stewardship, that’s written in the history books as fact. 

But we now find ourselves at a crossroads. Does he really have the ambition to do what it takes to push this club to the next level? 

I've come to the conclusion Lansdown will only abandon his "LJ project" when there's evidence of demonstrable regression, i.e.:

- finishing the season in a lower position than the last one, but more crucially 

- declining season ticket sales and average attendances (which hits the owner where it hurts - in his pocket, if a billionaire can ever be hurt this way!!)

Until then, we flatter to deceive.   

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Hughton won't be available right now- if he's turned down Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke and Watford this season as someone said on here, why would be come to us right now?

https://www.90min.com/posts/6511348-chris-hughton-turns-down-watford-move-as-middlesbrough-consider-approach

If this is true and it was from December, he turned down Watford!! PL, finished 7th or 8th last year didn't they? Top 10 or 11 anyway, FA Cup final. Difficult season this time around, granted.

Do people think it's realistic really, that he comes here this season?

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I would love to see david wagner took over at huddersfield when they were relegation fodder spent next to nothing and had them playing exciting fast flowing free scoring football all the way to the prem

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4 hours ago, boatman said:

I think it has to be somebody who wi work within the current structure and buy into the current ‘way of doing things’ I think that is going to rule a lot of managers out.

 

i hate to say it but I think Jamie Mcallister would be the most likely.

Yep.

Anyone with the right DNA - in other words a yes man.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hughton won't be available right now- if he's turned down Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke and Watford this season as someone said on here, why would be come to us right now?

https://www.90min.com/posts/6511348-chris-hughton-turns-down-watford-move-as-middlesbrough-consider-approach

If this is true and it was from December, he turned down Watford!! PL, finished 7th or 8th last year didn't they? Top 10 or 11 anyway, FA Cup final. Difficult season this time around, granted.

Do people think it's realistic really, that he comes here this season?

Who knows what’s important to him?

Stability and a chance to grow a club long term might be far more appealing to him than a trigger happy club on their fifth manager in three years, staring down the barrel of relegation. 

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1 minute ago, Banjo Island said:

I would love to see david wagner took over at huddersfield when they were relegation fodder spent next to nothing and had them playing exciting fast flowing free scoring football all the way to the prem

Think he's now in charge at Schalke in the Bundesliga

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2 minutes ago, Banjo Island said:

I would love to see david wagner took over at huddersfield when they were relegation fodder spent next to nothing and had them playing exciting fast flowing free scoring football all the way to the prem

You mean the man in charge of Schalke?

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4 hours ago, reddogkev said:

I don't believe LJ will be sacked this season, but admit he is walking the tight rope now, so for me it would be former Fulham boss Jokanovic.

I agree, that would be an amazing appointment for us - but he’s managing in Qatar and I’d imagine he’s being paid very well for that. 

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1 hour ago, gazza1982 said:

I was thinking the same! Seems pointless replacing LJ when the suggested replacements are far worse... 

Why can't we get a manager from abroad? Seems to be a popular strategy with recruiting players atm... 

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5 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

As a resident of Sussex and consequently with many friends supporting Brighton, I think I can say with a fair degree of confidence that none of them would have him back as a gift. His style of play cautious and not entertaining...nice man but that’s where it ends.

 

Brighton looked pretty good in the championship- did it become more cautious in the premier league?

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26 minutes ago, Psychopomp said:

Pepijn Lijnders

This bloke? Wouldn't the players mix him up with Weimann?

I've noticed in the last couple of games that Kalas and Watkins have become almost identical - no more confusion necessary surely?

image.jpeg.e9838eb343fe4e210a69aed4fc66d597.jpeg 

Apart from that, a very interesting suggestion. 👍

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2 hours ago, Red Exile said:

Well, I've long doubted that Steve Lansdown does have that ambition...in any more than a "wouldn't it be nice if it happened" kind of way. I don't believe he is a die-hard football supporter, the football club has fulfilled a different role in his life, given him profile and the sort of adulation anyone would appreciate, and gives his son a meaningful role. I don't criticise him for that, and have found him perfectly pleasant when I've met him. He's unquestionably left a legacy of infrastructure but on the pitch we've undeniably struggled to progress under his tenure, for all his investment.

Spot on.

In no way does that make him a bad person, but it does often feel like we are being fed bullshit about where the club wants to be.

Before a zealot jumps in with both feet, no I wouldn't want an overseas bluffer or an Oyston type either.

I firmly believe that if he allowed the club to be run like HL then he would have the best people available running it and that doesn't include any of the coaching staff nor Mark Ashton or indeed the Chairman.

Others wipe their arses with FFP and appear to get away with such transgressions, and in any event, I actually think our recruitment could be more fcussed and therefore leaner which would increase our spending power for proper, first team enhancements.

All academic of course, its how the owner wants things done, and for the vast majority of fans that is just fine.

 

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4 hours ago, BCFC Grim said:

A tight rope? You've  changed your tune quite quickly? 

Just before Luton you were saying how he was in credit and deserves all the support in the world for what hes done for us. Changed your mind after 1 win and 1 loss??

Too true, but I'm surprised by his petulant reaction to the Brentford manager, which seems a sign that he is losing the plot.  I feel LJ is still  in credit as the manager, but those sort of reactions, especially against a man who seems a gentleman like the Brentford coach, will not go down well with SL and could see him sacked if they continue.

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38 minutes ago, Banjo Island said:

The next david wagner what a fantasic shout yes please just the type we should be looking for best call so far psycho

Arsenal took Man City's assistant; does that mean the lot of a top Prem teams assistants has increased in perceived value? Probably. We are somewhat less attractive than Arsenal so I suspect Lijnders would consider other offers before a team like City, should they ever come calling to Anfield.

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2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hughton won't be available right now- if he's turned down Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke and Watford this season as someone said on here, why would be come to us right now?

https://www.90min.com/posts/6511348-chris-hughton-turns-down-watford-move-as-middlesbrough-consider-approach

If this is true and it was from December, he turned down Watford!! PL, finished 7th or 8th last year didn't they? Top 10 or 11 anyway, FA Cup final. Difficult season this time around, granted.

Do people think it's realistic really, that he comes here this season?

Sheffield Wednesday under investigation as you know. 

Stoke, a club in freefall, loads of overpaid players who dont want to play in the Championship. 

Watford, sack a manager every 5 minutes. It could be argued they peaked and realistically they would struggle to go any higher than that.

3 clubs all with their own issues. Even

We dont have any issues like those teams. I dont like using this term but we are primed for success. We have a stable ownership who back their managers. We have the stadium and a new training ground on the way. We are in a way very much like Brighton were in the Championship. It's easy to see why someone would reject those clubs but not us.

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1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said:

Why can't we get a manager from abroad? Seems to be a popular strategy with recruiting players atm... 

Well name someone?

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