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12 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

 

 

Mel Morris will put it down to one of two things, the holiday period has meant the banks weren’t open to put the online payment through on time or Santa didn’t pay the necessary £100m into his account for the sale of the stadium to Santa, which meant Morris didn’t get the present he wanted this year!

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Suspect it won't be recurring- Reading failed by a couple of days last season around the holiday period and Sheffield Wednesday had something in November.

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it might be- certainly in the case of Derby and Sheffield Wednesday- owners looking to send a bit of a message to the EFL that yes, these clubs are reliant on owner funding, no this funding isn't guaranteed, if you punish our club, or in Sheffield Wednesday's case owner and club severely, then who knows what might happen...

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Suspect it won't be recurring- Reading failed by a couple of days last season around the holiday period and Sheffield Wednesday had something in November.

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it might be- certainly in the case of Derby and Sheffield Wednesday- owners looking to send a bit of a message to the EFL that yes, these clubs are reliant on owner funding, no this funding isn't guaranteed, if you punish our club, or in Sheffield Wednesday's case owner and club severely, then who knows what might happen...

Well my suggestion would be that these owners should be a bit more responsible towards their actions & not expect others to toe the line for their shortcomings.

These clubs have been attempting to bend the same rules that everyone has to adhere to for a while now, I’m wondering how smug Steve Gibson is this morning while tucking into his Eggs Benedict?

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5 minutes ago, Tipps69 said:

Well my suggestion would be that these owners should be a bit more responsible towards their actions & not expect others to toe the line for their shortcomings.

These clubs have been attempting to bend the same rules that everyone has to adhere to for a while now, I’m wondering how smug Steve Gibson is this morning while tucking into his Eggs Benedict?

Oh I agree, 100%.

Absolutely agree. It's more likely an admin fuckup or something, holidays etc. Does feel like a possible mini shot across the bows though but then it's only a slight conspiracy theory!

Rumour has it that they're about to sign Carter-Vickers on loan so...

If @DerbyFan still about, would be interesting to know their take.

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Im just wondering about those experienced managers who, according to some of our posters,  wouldn't come here if LJ left, because the coffers are empty.

Presumably they would all be queueing up to manage at big clubs like Derby and Wednesday who have all the funds they would need to build/rebuild a team?

Many won't like the way things are at City, but it seems to me that the harsh reality of ffp is biting at more and more clubs. If a club like Derby had to "sell" it's stadium to meet ffp and now needs new investment to keep the wages paid, then where will the money come from to improve the team?  For all our faults and failings, the club's move to sustainability a few seasons ago looks to be the way that many more clubs will be forced to follow in order to comply with ffp. If so then how will those "experienced" managers manage in future when they can't go into a club and buy a new team, in the way they could in the past?

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13 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Oh I agree, 100%.

Absolutely agree. It's more likely an admin fuckup or something, holidays etc. Does feel like a possible mini shot across the bows though but then it's only a slight conspiracy theory!

Rumour has it that they're about to sign Carter-Vickers on loan so...

If @DerbyFan still about, would be interesting to know their take.

I’ve said it previously about Bristol City FC, I’d hope we never have any future dealings with Derby, they seem to be the most underhand club about & the fact that Steve Gibson was so passionate about things last season seems to only make things more obvious. The whole way the club seem to be run seems underhand at least, FFP, the stadium sell, the whole drink driving / Richard Keogh situation & now the unpaid wages! Why should everyone else have to toe the line (other than Wednesday & Villa) & then get played by Derby?

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5 minutes ago, Tipps69 said:

I’ve said it previously about Bristol City FC, I’d hope we never have any future dealings with Derby, they seem to be the most underhand club about & the fact that Steve Gibson was so passionate about things last season seems to only make things more obvious. The whole way the club seem to be run seems underhand at least, FFP, the stadium sell, the whole drink driving / Richard Keogh situation & now the unpaid wages! Why should everyone else have to toe the line (other than Wednesday & Villa) & then get played by Derby?

I'd add Sheffield Wednesday most definitely too.

Saw something yesterday and there's some more coverage here!

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/latest-owls-news/hull-city-manager-grant-mccann-takes-remarkable-swipe-sheffield-wednesday-hospitality-after-1-0-win-hillsborough-1353107

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21 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Bit of a non story really. 
“Players have to wait until next working day for wages, after an admin balls up”

Hardy Bury or Bolton, are they..! 

...except this coming hard on the heels of Derby having to "sell" Pride Park in order to avoid ffp issues, and with the article saying that new investment into he club hasn't be finalised.

At the time of the stadium sale issue Derby fans were saying how ffp wasn't meant to penalise clubs like theirs, as they had a lifelong Derby fan as owner, who had the means to cover the club's costs. Yet following on from the stadium parlarva, Morris said that the club would be moving to make itself sustainable ( as though he had come up with the idea as part of a long term strategy plan rather than being given no other option thanks to the risk of ffp breach). 

Rooney joining them seems a strange way of approaching a sustainability policy, although I think it might be that the new investment is tied in with Rooney - possibly the new investment covers Rooney's wages. Even so, and while it might be just an admin issue over the new year hat caused the wages delay, I suspect of you look back the first signs of Bolton and Bury's problems was the first time players weren't paid on time.

For those suggesting that this is perhaps Derby firing a shot across the EFL's bows regarding ffp. If our owner can anticipate the impact of ffp and develop a strategy to address the future problems it poses, then why couldn't  other "well run"clubs have done the same? It couldn't perhaps be that those other " well run" clubs weren't prepared t reduce their competitiveness - something I think that Morris himself has confessed was the reason they risked breaching ffp!

 

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Not necessarily intentional.

Perhaps Mel Morris assumed the takeover or fresh investment would be done right now and was lax with things- as in "I now need to pay less or pay a certain amount or such as the investment will be finalised and that helps to cover things".

One possibility anyway.

Certainly not acceptable but could contain an element of complacency/**** up as well.

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One thing that does confuse me slightly, is the Rooney signing.

If I have read correctly, his salary is being picked up by a 3rd party (a casino group), I thought that 3rd party ownership wasn't allowed, or is it a case that anyone can pay anyone and the FFP rules are an even bigger farce?

For example, if City wanted to sign someone way outside our pay structure, could SL set up some sort of holding company that sponsors/owns/approves or whatever, the signing of someone on 50k a week without it impacting our compliance with FFP.

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5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Suspect it won't be recurring- Reading failed by a couple of days last season around the holiday period and Sheffield Wednesday had something in November.

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it might be- certainly in the case of Derby and Sheffield Wednesday- owners looking to send a bit of a message to the EFL that yes, these clubs are reliant on owner funding, no this funding isn't guaranteed, if you punish our club, or in Sheffield Wednesday's case owner and club severely, then who knows what might happen...

About time the EFL called their bluff then! Why should any club believe thet they are bigger than the organisation that they supposedly belong to? 

Give them some practice for when Villa deign to rejoin is!

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1 hour ago, daored said:

BBC have started the love in with Derby about how great it is that Rooney is gracing the championship with his presence. That derby are a club on the rise, overlooking they’ve broken spending rules 

Unfortunately, thanks to the EFL's own cock up, Derby haven't broken the spending rules, mores the pity. 

However the BBC 's interpretation of club on the rise is interesting, given that Derby finished last season in the play offs yet now sit in 17th position in the table! 

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2 hours ago, daored said:

BBC have started the love in with Derby about how great it is that Rooney is gracing the championship with his presence. That derby are a club on the rise, overlooking they’ve broken spending rules 

 

49 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Unfortunately, thanks to the EFL's own cock up, Derby haven't broken the spending rules, mores the pity. 

However the BBC 's interpretation of club on the rise is interesting, given that Derby finished last season in the play offs yet now sit in 17th position in the table! 

That's still under investigation I believe. ?

An article not long ago in The Athletic suggested that developments were expected soon in this case. That could easily mean exoneration but then again maybe it's the 3 years to June 2019 they'll look to see if they can get them with.

Or possibly to June 2020!

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On a similar note but involving Macclesfield (I think it is), it was mentioned on the EFL show on Quest on New Years Day that due to their ongoing financial issues that one of their players had been forced to sleep in his car before his car was subsequently repossessed!!

So while Derby’s players in the main should be fine, it could affect youth players or other members of staff in so many ways.

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