Northern Cider Ed Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 "Why is Palmer so upset? How has Lee Johnson 'mis-treated' Kasey? Here is one example: we understand that every player who was not in the 18-man squad for the game against Charlton Athletic on Boxing Day was told that they did not need to travel on Christmas Day. However, Palmer was then made to travel despite not being in the 18. This was seen as specifically aimed at Palmer. Of course, Lee Johnson may have his reasons for this, but it does not sound good." If this is true, I think I would be pretty hacked off also. Not a good look for LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 The thing is, has Kasey Palmer really been that bad? So bad that he gets singled out for his performances? Has he been any worse than anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Northern Cider Ed said: "Why is Palmer so upset? How has Lee Johnson 'mis-treated' Kasey? Here is one example: we understand that every player who was not in the 18-man squad for the game against Charlton Athletic on Boxing Day was told that they did not need to travel on Christmas Day. However, Palmer was then made to travel despite not being in the 18. This was seen as specifically aimed at Palmer. Of course, Lee Johnson may have his reasons for this, but it does not sound good." If this is true, I think I would be pretty hacked off also. Not a good look for LJ. IF true, then no wonder this has leaked; it’s disgraceful vindictive behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kibs said: The thing is, has Kasey Palmer really been that bad? So bad that he gets singled out for his performances? Has he been any worse than anyone else? He’s an easy target as he’s a ‘luxury’ Player. He has a tag as lazy and is easy to blame because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, DSTAF said: IF true, then no wonder this has leaked; it’s disgraceful vindictive behaviour. Yeah, it's not a good look is it. Victimisation in the workplace, if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Northern Cider Ed said: "Why is Palmer so upset? How has Lee Johnson 'mis-treated' Kasey? Here is one example: we understand that every player who was not in the 18-man squad for the game against Charlton Athletic on Boxing Day was told that they did not need to travel on Christmas Day. However, Palmer was then made to travel despite not being in the 18. This was seen as specifically aimed at Palmer. Of course, Lee Johnson may have his reasons for this, but it does not sound good." If this is true, I think I would be pretty hacked off also. Not a good look for LJ. Yeah I guess but is it not common practice that we, or any other team for that matter, travel with 2 extra players in case anyone in that match day 18 gets injured in warm up/ gets ill before the game? Nothing out of the ordinary there in my opinion. All seems a bit fabricated to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, RedEyez said: Yeah I guess but is it not common practice that we, or any other team for that matter, travel with 2 extra players in case anyone in that match day 18 gets injured in warm up/ gets ill before the game? Nothing out of the ordinary there in my opinion. All seems a bit fabricated to me. Is it common practice?? And why KP, if you’re suggesting that it is common for extra players to travel? Who was the second player that was made to travel that day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Yeah I guess but is it not common practice that we, or any other team for that matter, travel with 2 extra players in case anyone in that match day 18 gets injured in warm up/ gets ill before the game? Nothing out of the ordinary there in my opinion. All seems a bit fabricated to me. I really doubt any journalist in GMG's position would make something like that up. His reputation would be destroyed. He must have a reliable source, and know that LJ knows that he can back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DSTAF said: Is it common practice?? And why KP, if you’re suggesting that it is common for extra players to travel? Who was the second player that was made to travel that day? Yes. Because he is closer to the match day squad than Adelukan, for example. Don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, DSTAF said: Is it common practice?? And why KP, if you’re suggesting that it is common for extra players to travel? Who was the second player that was made to travel that day? Yes it's common practice. If someone goes down ill or injured prior to kick off then it means you have a replacement for them. Why would it not be Palmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Surely if there is any chance LJs job was on the line, then no one would be coming in or leaving until that was decided. Imagine LJ selling KP, getting sacked, then the new coach trying to find a player of KPs style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Yes it's common practice. If someone goes down ill or injured prior to kick off then it means you have a replacement for them. Why would it not be Palmer? Thanks for the clarification, Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Red Exile said: I really doubt any journalist in GMG's position would make something like that up. His reputation would be destroyed. He must have a reliable source, and know that LJ knows that he can back it up. Any journalist in GMG’s position should be a bit more in tune with the logic relating to more than 18 players travelling as part of the squad to a game. I take your point by the way but it just seemed like a bit of a silly and naive thing to say on his behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Yes it's common practice. If someone goes down ill or injured prior to kick off then it means you have a replacement for them. Why would it not be Palmer? I agree but it would surely be a bit odd to only take 1 extra player. Probably better to take 2 or 3? Gives you more options. If a defender goes down ill, you’d ideally replace with a defender and you’re also not singling anyone out!! Either way, you’re paid handsomely as a Professional footballer and if you’re needed to travel Christmas Day then tough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, DSTAF said: Thanks for the clarification, Lee. Don't get arsey just because the answer wasn't what you wanted to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, Northern Red said: Don't get arsey just because the answer wasn't what you wanted to hear. I’m not arsey. I think your response is BS to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Credit to Gregor, that’s an excellent article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Any journalist in GMG’s position should be a bit more in tune with the logic relating to more than 18 players travelling as part of the squad to a game. I take your point by the way but it just seemed like a bit of a silly and naive thing to say on his behalf. Fair play. But I think this story is about a wider discontent. Doesn't matter whether Palmer was treated unfairly, it's the suggestion that others think he was that matters. That's what GMG is getting at...I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, DSTAF said: I’m not arsey. I think your response is BS to be honest. But it’s a fact.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Quote Steve Cooper has now spoken with Lee Johnson. An official approach has been made from Swansea. Other clubs including Crystal Palace are interested. Another Premier League side (mid-table) and Bundesliga team are interested too. Interesting line from the article. A PL, another PL midtable side, a Bundesliga team and of course Swansea all interested...it just cannot seem sensible for footballing reasons to be shipping him out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Credit to Gregor, that’s an excellent article. I struggle to recall a similarly forensic disection of an issue at the club and its response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Red Exile said: Fair play. But I think this story is about a wider discontent. Doesn't matter whether Palmer was treated unfairly, it's the suggestion that others think he was that matters. That's what GMG is getting at...I think! Absolutely fair enough then. Didn’t think about it like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DSTAF said: I’m not arsey. I think your response is BS to be honest. It isn't. Having an extra player or 2 travelling as cover happens all the time, where clubs have big enough squads to cope (and we certainly do!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Interesting line from the article. A PL, another PL midtable side, a Bundesliga team and of course Swansea all interested...it just cannot seem sensible for footballing reasons to be shipping him out! Certainly not to Swansea ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Interesting line from the article. A PL, another PL midtable side, a Bundesliga team and of course Swansea all interested...it just cannot seem sensible for footballing reasons to be shipping him out! Is that mid table PL team Arsenal and they want a swap deal with Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Natchfever said: Certainly not to Swansea ! Of course. Strengthening a direct rival with a gifted player...yet this was the same manager who wasn't keen to loan Szmodics to Hull apparently because of worrying about strengthening a direct rival...makes sense... In general, I was also getting at was 2, 3 clubs above our level want him but he can't get into our side...pretty odd, from a footballing standpoint. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Red Exile said: I struggle to recall a similarly forensic disection of an issue at the club and its response. You should buy/read the matchday programme more often then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Of course. Strengthening a direct rival with a gifted player...yet this was the same manager who wasn't keen to loan Szmodics to Hull apparently because of worrying about strengthening a direct rival...makes sense... In general, I was also getting at was 2, 3 clubs above our level want him but he can't get into our side...pretty odd, from a footballing standpoint. Quite so. Something not right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said: Victimisation in the workplace, if true. @David Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: You should buy/read the matchday programme more often then.... I confess I've not bought it in years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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