reddogkev Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Surprised there isn't a long thread rumbling on about him, unless I've missed it. For all the negatives that people sometimes spout about Wayne, I must admit to being massively excited that he's now a Championship player. All-time England record goal scorer, winner of numerous high-level championships and titles, a sometimes controversial figure who may have once dabbled with an OAP hooker (haven't we all?), and still only 34-years-old. I find it incredible he is now playing at the same tier as City and will go on record to state I cannot wait until the day he comes down to Ashton Gate to play against us (12th February). I find myself rather envious of Derby, imagine if he was a City player, would be sensational. By the way, I bloody love Wayne Rooney, if you couldn't tell already. Your thoughts on the great man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Meant to ask, did anyone watch his Derby debut last night? I'm not sure if it was on the box somewhere, but would presume so. It seems he set up the first goal and played a quality pass to help create Derby's second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 A mate messaged me during the game (prior to any assists), saying he was massively off the pace. You just know retirement is not going to be kind to him. Ricky Hatton style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 I honestly could not care less about him being in the championship. Been pretty poor for a long time now hasn't he? Even last couple of seasons of United career he wasnt the same player anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: A mate messaged me during the game (prior to any assists), saying he was massively off the pace. You just know retirement is not going to be kind to him. Ricky Hatton style. He's always been massively off the pace though, ever since 2004, doesn't seem to stop him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 No surprise that Derby won last night and brought the feel good factor back. Incredible what a single signing like Rooney can do for a club. Think Eddie signing could do the same for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, JonDolman said: I honestly could not care less about him being in the championship. Been pretty poor for a long time now hasn't he? Even last couple of seasons of United career he wasnt the same player anymore. Bit of an odd mind-set though, eh? You're clearly a serious football fan, how could you not care less about England's all-time goalscorer being in the Championship, at a respectable age? I just don't get it, Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Surprised there isn't a long thread rumbling on about him, unless I've missed it. For all the negatives that people sometimes spout about Wayne, I must admit to being massively excited that he's now a Championship player. All-time England record goal scorer, winner of numerous high-level championships and titles, a sometimes controversial figure who may have once dabbled with an OAP hooker (haven't we all?), and still only 34-years-old. I find it incredible he is now playing at the same tier as City and will go on record to state I cannot wait until the day he comes down to Ashton Gate to play against us (12th February). I find myself rather envious of Derby, imagine if he was a City player, would be sensational. By the way, I bloody love Wayne Rooney, if you couldn't tell already. Your thoughts on the great man? Always been a big fan of Rooney, argued many a time about his inclusions in England squads with people who didn't rate him over the years! I am slightly jealous of Derby, he is still going to be far too good for this division, and despite a quiet first half yesterday, he improved in the second. It was his first game since October, so it's hardly surprising he wasn't at his absolute best, but I have a feeling Derby will massively benefit from having him there, they could be the side that come on strong the second half of the season and end up in the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, reddogkev said: Bit of an odd mind-set though, eh? You're clearly a serious football fan, how could you not care less about England's all-time goalscorer being in the Championship, at a respectable age? I just don't get it, Jon. Because his record doesn't really interest me. Most of those goals were against poor sides. Peter Crouch would have likely been England all time record scorer if he'd played that many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: Always been a big fan of Rooney, argued many a time about his inclusions in England squads with people who didn't rate him over the years! I am slightly jealous of Derby, he is still going to be far too good for this division, and despite a quiet first half yesterday, he improved in the second. It was his first game since October, so it's hardly surprising he wasn't at his absolute best, but I have a feeling Derby will massively benefit from having him there, they could be the side that come on strong the second half of the season and end up in the play offs. Yep, feel the same way; I also find it hard to believe he's at this level. If he was 38 I could understand. I would not be surprised now if Derby finished strongly and pushed for top six again. Surely Rooney would still do a decent job for example at Bournemouth, Brighton, and a few others in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Yep, feel the same way; I also find it hard to believe he's at this level. If he was 38 I could understand. I would not be surprised now if Derby finished strongly and pushed for top six again. Surely Rooney would still do a decent job for example at Bournemouth, Brighton, and a few others in the Prem. Which makes you wonder what barely legal offers Mel Morris has made to him - knowing that crook he sold part/all of their ground to him, so don't be surprised to see it renamed the Wayne Rooney Stadium anytime soon. Let's be honest, Rooney doesn't need the money, but could easily have got a Premiership move and earned (presumably) a considerable amount more than he will at Derby. Something dodgy is going on there, and if they don't make the Premiership this year, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them do a Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Most of those goals were against poor sides. They were - but that is the case for almost all strikers who score a lot of goals at international level. There was actually an article about this recently, comparing top scorers for each nation and the percentage of goals scored against lower standard opposition. For comparison: Rooney: 58% of his international goals were against 'poor' sides. Cristiano Ronaldo: 65% of his have been. That's accurate as of today, as the article was after the last international break. I don't know exactly how it was classified, but I know that all major tournament goals are classed as against good sides, so the 'Ronaldo scores more at tournaments' argument is actually captured here somewhat too. It's not just his international record though - he scored 208 goals in the premier league. He's certainly not at his peak now, and hasn't been for some time, but he was an incredible player, and I'm sure will be very good for Derby. I don't think you're giving him enough respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Yep, feel the same way; I also find it hard to believe he's at this level. If he was 38 I could understand. I would not be surprised now if Derby finished strongly and pushed for top six again. Surely Rooney would still do a decent job for example at Bournemouth, Brighton, and a few others in the Prem. 21 minutes ago, Taz said: Which makes you wonder what barely legal offers Mel Morris has made to him - knowing that crook he sold part/all of their ground to him, so don't be surprised to see it renamed the Wayne Rooney Stadium anytime soon. Let's be honest, Rooney doesn't need the money, but could easily have got a Premiership move and earned (presumably) a considerable amount more than he will at Derby. Something dodgy is going on there, and if they don't make the Premiership this year, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them do a Bolton. Basically, and it's probably a simplification, but sponsors are paying part of his wage- perhaps a decent chunk of it As we all know, he wears 32...shirt sponsors are 32Red. He wears 32, unsure if he has any tieup with them himself? It's not that they're paying Rooney directly, more that they took the initiative and got a large chunk of cash off the back of it from the sponsors. Apparently. What is interesting is that Leeds, Middlesbrough, Preston I believe all sponsored by said same company...cannot see them being happy whatsoever! Aston Villa and Rangers are too, but that's not so relevant in the context of this League. I hope there's a proper investigation into this deal! @Carey 6 Hopefully the EFL investigation into Pride Park and their general antics will see them get a 10-15 point deduction and put paid to that...imagine if they were closing in the top 6 in late March and suddenly investigation done, guilty, hearing...bang 10-15 points. Love to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Blimey people making it sound like he wouldn't get into our team?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: They were - but that is the case for almost all strikers who score a lot of goals at international level. There was actually an article about this recently, comparing top scorers for each nation and the percentage of goals scored against lower standard opposition. For comparison: Rooney: 58% of his international goals were against 'poor' sides. Cristiano Ronaldo: 65% of his have been. That's accurate as of today, as the article was after the last international break. I don't know exactly how it was classified, but I know that all major tournament goals are classed as against good sides, so the 'Ronaldo scores more at tournaments' argument is actually captured here somewhat too. It's not just his international record though - he scored 208 goals in the premier league. He's certainly not at his peak now, and hasn't been for some time, but he was an incredible player, and I'm sure will be very good for Derby. I don't think you're giving him enough respect. Fair enough. I just think Rooney was only ever truly great for about a season or 2. He always scored goals at United, like pretty much any striker did they had back then. He was very good. I wouldn't care if other former good prem players came to the championship either who are past their best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Super said: Blimey people making it sound like he wouldn't get into our team?! He's skilful and a game changer.......they don't get into LJ teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, RedRaw said: He's skilful and a game changer.......they don't get into LJ teams A two footer by Williams late on- and a better job of it vs Brentford. That'd be a shame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Super said: Blimey people making it sound like he wouldn't get into our team?! He wouldn't. LJ needs 6 months to teach him the patterns, not fit enough for the press...or the clutch. Didn't watch the game last night - how many box entries did he make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 I watched the game last night - specific focus on Rooney (couldn’t be anything else with Sky coverage). To be honest, he looked slow, a couple of yards off the pace. A lot of the time the game passed him by and Derby are going to need a lot of energy around him if he is going to play CM. Got the assist via a dead ball (but that will always be the last thing to go). I’d maybe put a large percentage down to match fitness, but unless that comes he won’t last a significant amount of time at CM in the championship. Has to be remembered that he wasn’t in the Everton side pre DC United so they haven’t got the Man Utd Rooney, they have a player who was already deemed surplus at mid table prem 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Can you imagine Rooney’s reaction listening to LJ spout all his usual nonsense. Not that it would ever happen. Not the a Bristol City way to have a strong character reporting into you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 He was also captain last night so I read...very questionable indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I watched the game last night - specific focus on Rooney (couldn’t be anything else with Sky coverage). To be honest, he looked slow, a couple of yards off the pace. A lot of the time the game passed him by and Derby are going to need a lot of energy around him if he is going to play CM. Got the assist via a dead ball (but that will always be the last thing to go). I’d maybe put a large percentage down to match fitness, but unless that comes he won’t last a significant amount of time at CM in the championship. Has to be remembered that he wasn’t in the Everton side pre DC United so they haven’t got the Man Utd Rooney, they have a player who was already deemed surplus at mid table prem 2 years ago. Cheers for the info, I've only read the BBC report of the match and unsurprisingly there was no mention of some of the points you've mentioned. Still, even with Rooney off of the pace he was a large part of their win last night (going purely off of the bbc report). Barnsley have picked up a bit lately, so that's a decent home win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Because his record doesn't really interest me. Most of those goals were against poor sides. Peter Crouch would have likely been England all time record scorer if he'd played that many times. Don"t the Americans use the term 'Flat Track Bully"? Must admit I'd barely cross the road to watch him......prefer Jacki myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza1982 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Because his record doesn't really interest me. Most of those goals were against poor sides. Peter Crouch would have likely been England all time record scorer if he'd played that many times. Would you consider France, Brazil, Holland, Argentina and Croatia poor sides? He scored against each of these sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Sky Sports latest love in with Derby, on their news page you’d of thought the headline from their game last night would go to Waghorn who got Derby’s winner, but no they have to make it all about Rooney who got the assist for the opening goal from a set piece. Ridiculous amount of hype for someone who’s on the wind down in his career whilst his club somehow pay his massive wages (or not going on yesterday’s story) whilst bending the rules to suit themselves. I hope they fall flat on their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, reddogkev said: Surprised there isn't a long thread rumbling on about him, unless I've missed it. For all the negatives that people sometimes spout about Wayne, I must admit to being massively excited that he's now a Championship player. All-time England record goal scorer, winner of numerous high-level championships and titles, a sometimes controversial figure who may have once dabbled with an OAP hooker (haven't we all?), and still only 34-years-old. I find it incredible he is now playing at the same tier as City and will go on record to state I cannot wait until the day he comes down to Ashton Gate to play against us (12th February). I find myself rather envious of Derby, imagine if he was a City player, would be sensational. By the way, I bloody love Wayne Rooney, if you couldn't tell already. Your thoughts on the great man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BCFC11 said: Sky Sports latest love in with Derby, on their news page you’d of thought the headline from their game last night would go to Waghorn who got Derby’s winner, but no they have to make it all about Rooney who got the assist for the opening goal from a set piece. Ridiculous amount of hype for someone who’s on the wind down in his career whilst his club somehow pay his massive wages (or not going on yesterday’s story) whilst bending the rules to suit themselves. I hope they fall flat on their face. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaystomorrow Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Rooney was well off the pace. Ok, one good free kick but apart from that the game passed him by and he lived off his reputation. He wasn't a strength but a weakness in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Get used to it. BBC jumping on the bandwagon aswell now then. After scraping past Barnsley last night TalkSport wasted no time in asking whether Derby could be ‘that’ team this season who make a late charge for promotion. Yes they could but so could atleast 10 others. Bar the odd flash of brilliance I can’t see him making much of an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 His interview after the game was interesting, first off wheres his accent gone? He was very critical of Marriott for missing those chances and that's where Rooneys experience comes into it's own. He is able to coach players whilst the game is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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