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The phrase "Lost The Dressingroom"

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I hear this phrase everytime we hit a bad run or the managers tenure is, or as some would like, coming to an end. Now this isn't about Lee Johnson or any other manager in particular.

If the squad are unhappy with their coach/manager that's fair enough. It becomes wrong when the let it affect their work. In the real world there are plenty of poor manager regardless of the industry we all have to put up with. Imagine you disliked your manager in work and the quality of your work went into free fall. Who would be getting the disciplinary? 

These players are Bristol City employees not Lee Johnsons, not Steve Lansdowns they are, for the want of a better word, the property of the club. If there is a growing discord between the manager and his squad then those with a grievance should go to either the chairman or the owner and tell them what the problem is.

You can question the managements ability to motivate but surely running out to the cheers and applause of 17 or 18,000 home fans should be motivation enough. These guys are living the dream of millions of 18 to 30 year old men, doing something they love and getting far more money than they would in almost any other walk of life.

When I thought about starting this topic I tried to see it from many angles and came to a worrying conclusion. The squad may have lost respect for the manager but by putting in substandard performances they are showing disrespect to the club who pay their wages but more importantly they're showing no respect to the likes of you and I, the fans who give up time and money to watch them not just at BS3 but all over the country.

So my message to the squad would be, if your unhappy take the problem up with the manager. If you get no joy take it to Steve Lansdown. Finally if there's no improvement hand in a transfer request en mass and do it very publically I'm sure your agents to arrange the publicity. Don't make the fans suffer.

 

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My view on this for what it's worth isn't necessarily that they are not motivated, more frustrated with the way they are being asked to play and constant changes of personnel, systems  and let's not forget the public flogging of some players either if they make a mistake, whereas the management don't seem to take responsibility for anything....

There is a pattern developing with LJ and his behaviour that is simply de ja vu of how is Father ended here.

Either way something is not right down there and it can't be all down to players can it? I mean he's signed 50 of them ffs!

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7 minutes ago, numbeast said:

I hear this phrase everytime we hit a bad run or the managers tenure is, or as some would like, coming to an end. Now this isn't about Lee Johnson or any other manager in particular.

If the squad are unhappy with their coach/manager that's fair enough. It becomes wrong when the let it affect their work. In the real world there are plenty of poor manager regardless of the industry we all have to put up with. Imagine you disliked your manager in work and the quality of your work went into free fall. Who would be getting the disciplinary? 

These players are Bristol City employees not Lee Johnsons, not Steve Lansdowns they are, for the want of a better word, the property of the club. If there is a growing discord between the manager and his squad then those with a grievance should go to either the chairman or the owner and tell them what the problem is.

You can question the managements ability to motivate but surely running out to the cheers and applause of 17 or 18,000 home fans should be motivation enough. These guys are living the dream of millions of 18 to 30 year old men, doing something they love and getting far more money than they would in almost any other walk of life.

When I thought about starting this topic I tried to see it from many angles and came to a worrying conclusion. The squad may have lost respect for the manager but by putting in substandard performances they are showing disrespect to the club who pay their wages but more importantly they're showing no respect to the likes of you and I, the fans who give up time and money to watch them not just at BS3 but all over the country.

So my message to the squad would be, if your unhappy take the problem up with the manager. If you get no joy take it to Steve Lansdown. Finally if there's no improvement hand in a transfer request en mass and do it very publically I'm sure your agents to arrange the publicity. Don't make the fans suffer.

 

Problem is that unlike any other industry the players are not only employees but also saleable assets and that throws another spanner in the works.

 

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It's also a very easy to make and highly damaging smear that can be made with zero evidence.

I'm not saying this specifically with regard to this club at this time; rather as a general point.

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The players are being over coached.

Imagine coming from Chelsea where you have been coached by some of the best in the industry to then have a jumped up 37 year old, backed up by a couple of very average footballers, telling you've done it all wrong these years. 

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The phrase is only trotted out when your team is losing.

Players and staff not getting on is commonplace.  Most of the time they just get on with it.  Players out of the team more likely to be upset than those in it.

I think it’s an easy phrase to throw out there when your team is losing.

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I believe the phrase was first used just after the turn of the century, when Ian Holloway was in charge of the gas. But it was a particularly stormy time at the mem and the dressing room was eventually located hanging from telephone wires above Filton Avenue.

 

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19 minutes ago, numbeast said:

I hear this phrase everytime we hit a bad run or the managers tenure is, or as some would like, coming to an end. Now this isn't about Lee Johnson or any other manager in particular.

If the squad are unhappy with their coach/manager that's fair enough. It becomes wrong when the let it affect their work. In the real world there are plenty of poor manager regardless of the industry we all have to put up with. Imagine you disliked your manager in work and the quality of your work went into free fall. Who would be getting the disciplinary? 

These players are Bristol City employees not Lee Johnsons, not Steve Lansdowns they are, for the want of a better word, the property of the club. If there is a growing discord between the manager and his squad then those with a grievance should go to either the chairman or the owner and tell them what the problem is.

You can question the managements ability to motivate but surely running out to the cheers and applause of 17 or 18,000 home fans should be motivation enough. These guys are living the dream of millions of 18 to 30 year old men, doing something they love and getting far more money than they would in almost any other walk of life.

When I thought about starting this topic I tried to see it from many angles and came to a worrying conclusion. The squad may have lost respect for the manager but by putting in substandard performances they are showing disrespect to the club who pay their wages but more importantly they're showing no respect to the likes of you and I, the fans who give up time and money to watch them not just at BS3 but all over the country.

So my message to the squad would be, if your unhappy take the problem up with the manager. If you get no joy take it to Steve Lansdown. Finally if there's no improvement hand in a transfer request en mass and do it very publically I'm sure your agents to arrange the publicity. Don't make the fans suffer.

 

Conversely, this money can also perhaps kill the hunger, or sate it at least.

Even a certain Tammy I see is agitating for significantly higher wages...he had a top class DNA at City so interested to see if this has an impact, down the track.

This isn't so much about losing the dressing room, or even a City thing as such.

Likely way out, probably am but one possibility might be:

  • Nice wage
  • Nice lifestyle
  • Nice city- with surrounding countryside on doorstep, or vice versa.
  • Fairly nice club at which to work.

Like I say, far from City specific...but where is the hunger, especially over Christmas, to really bust a gut?

I listed around Christmas quite a few clubs moderate, big and major where this could be the case.

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/10/16/interview-ex-premier-league-players-on-the-problem-with-young-footballers/

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11 minutes ago, numbeast said:

I hear this phrase everytime we hit a bad run or the managers tenure is, or as some would like, coming to an end. Now this isn't about Lee Johnson or any other manager in particular.

If the squad are unhappy with their coach/manager that's fair enough. It becomes wrong when the let it affect their work. In the real world there are plenty of poor manager regardless of the industry we all have to put up with. Imagine you disliked your manager in work and the quality of your work went into free fall. Who would be getting the disciplinary? 

These players are Bristol City employees not Lee Johnsons, not Steve Lansdowns they are, for the want of a better word, the property of the club. If there is a growing discord between the manager and his squad then those with a grievance should go to either the chairman or the owner and tell them what the problem is.

You can question the managements ability to motivate but surely running out to the cheers and applause of 17 or 18,000 home fans should be motivation enough. These guys are living the dream of millions of 18 to 30 year old men, doing something they love and getting far more money than they would in almost any other walk of life.

When I thought about starting this topic I tried to see it from many angles and came to a worrying conclusion. The squad may have lost respect for the manager but by putting in substandard performances they are showing disrespect to the club who pay their wages but more importantly they're showing no respect to the likes of you and I, the fans who give up time and money to watch them not just at BS3 but all over the country.

So my message to the squad would be, if your unhappy take the problem up with the manager. If you get no joy take it to Steve Lansdown. Finally if there's no improvement hand in a transfer request en mass and do it very publically I'm sure your agents to arrange the publicity. Don't make the fans suffer.

 

Another dynamic might be that some of the dressing room isn't getting onto the pitch and are close with some who are, to the extent that underperformances might be linked rightly or wrongly to a mate not being selected. Additionally players might be selected but played in a manneror role which they aren't comfortable with.

If you are having a shitter, the 17-18000m home fans reactions may not be applause !

I think your final paragraph might be a little old school nowadays, and the line of control would presumably go from Johnson to Ashton to Lansdown Junior, although possibly via an agent from day one.

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1 minute ago, The hand of RO'D said:

The players are being over coached.

Imagine coming from Chelsea where you have been coached by some of the best in the industry to then have a jumped up 37 year old, backed up by a couple of very average footballers, telling you've done it all wrong these years. 

You apparently seem to know an awful lot of info. How would you even know such things as above? 

 

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The phrase is only trotted out when your team is losing.

Players and staff not getting on is commonplace.  Most of the time they just get on with it.  Players out of the team more likely to be upset than those in it.

I think it’s an easy phrase to throw out there when your team is losing.

This. 

Truth is no one on here has the slightest clue if he has ‘lost’ the dressing room, just adding to massive over reaction on wanting LJ out.

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4 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

The players are being over coached.

Imagine coming from Chelsea where you have been coached by some of the best in the industry to then have a jumped up 37 year old, backed up by a couple of very average footballers, telling you've done it all wrong these years. 

How do you know they are being overcoached? There are clear examples in recent times where players have been improved? 

Referring to LJ as jumped up just sounds like an insult rather than objective criticism.

And when did somebody’s playing career dictate how good a coach they are? The examples where average player makes a great coach aren’t hide to find.

With respect.

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5 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

You apparently seem to know an awful lot of info. How would you even know such things as above? 

 

This. 

Truth is no one on here has the slightest clue if he has ‘lost’ the dressing room, just adding to massive over reaction on wanting LJ out.

Not sure who said it (may have been a cricketer) but team spirit was once described as something like a temporary illusion created by winning.

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16 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

The players are being over coached.

Imagine coming from Chelsea where you have been coached by some of the best in the industry to then have a jumped up 37 year old, backed up by a couple of very average footballers, telling you've done it all wrong these years. 

I'd also add to merely ex Chelsea players a few others for consideration if we're going down this road.

  1. Williams- though he generally seems a pro, the Brentford tackle notwithstanding
  2. Massengo, 18 I think- but from a top class academy in Monaco.
  3. Nagy- Hungary International, played in Serie A.

In fairness, it can be mixed, he certainly was getting a return from Afobe.

Prior though, to name a few more:

  1. POSSIBLY Pisano- Though he did okay. Nonetheless, experienced and has played in Serie A. Injuries didn't help.
  2. POSSIBLY to an extent Magnússon- Threw him under the bus in an interview IIRC. From Juventus youth, or involved at that level, some notable International performances- not saying he was brilliant but unsure he was managed the best? Was younger tho.
  3. O'Neil- Number of promotions won, very experienced. Injuries of course.
  4. Hegeler- In the right system, a very decent player. Experienced, played in Bundesliga and fleeting CL appearances. Injuries of course.

One thing I have noticed about these more experienced or higher level players- and this includes Kalas, Palmer- DaSilva and his injuries mean it's too early to say, is that in a fair few cases, they seem to have got worse while they are here over time under LJ etc.

Of course playing career doesn't dictate coaching ability but I just have nagging doubts in certain areas...

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Sometimes teams go on bad runs simply due to lack of confidence.

In terms of losing the dressing room I’ll never forget our 4-0 home defeat to Leicester that got McInnes fired. Gerken who was treated shabbily by McInnes given his performances compared to the hapless David James literally said “have that” as he chucked about three goals into the net!! McInnes could not stop staring at him but never got a glance back😂

I’m not seeing players going through the motions or not giving a stuff just yet so on that basis would argue there is no evidence to suggest that the dressing has been lost by LJ.

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21 minutes ago, numbeast said:

If the squad are unhappy with their coach/manager that's fair enough

No it isn't. The fundamental principle of man management is to maximise the potential of those under your charge. You don't have to be liked but you must be respected and if employees are unhappy with you that shows you've failed in explaining your objectives, failed to demonstrate you've afforded fair and equal consideration to all and  fundamentally failed to communicate proportionately such you keep all, including those who may be disgruntled, onside.

Naughty steps and exclusions do not figure.

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6 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

How do you know they are being overcoached? There are clear examples in recent times where players have been improved? 

Referring to LJ as jumped up just sounds like an insult rather than objective criticism.

And when did somebody’s playing career dictate how good a coach they are? The examples where average player makes a great coach aren’t hide to find.

With respect.

Jumped up was probably a bad phrase to use. 

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4 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

Not sure who said it (may have been a cricketer) but team spirit was once described as something like a temporary illusion created by winning.

Agreed tbh. Every squad is rammed full of players sat on the bench or outside of the squad altogether who all think exactly the same thing.......”I should be out there”. When teams are winning they have to suck it up........lose 5 out of 6 and the dynamic shifts a bit!!!

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8 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

Not sure who said it (may have been a cricketer) but team spirit was once described as something like a temporary illusion created by winning.

Sounds like something Kevin Pietersen would have said 

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1 minute ago, steveybadger said:

Appreciate he does come across as a bit B-S bingo sometimes!

I never want to hear the phrase “box entries” after a 4-0 battering ever again😂

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7 minutes ago, hodge said:

Sounds like something Kevin Pietersen would have said 

Just looked it up:

’Team spirit is an illusion glimpsed in the aftermath of victory’

- Steve Archibald!

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6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I never want to hear the phrase “box entries” after a 4-0 battering ever again😂

Agreed. The only positive to come out of that game was that we were positively stuffed. Grow some bollycocks and be honest. Surely "box entries" is a term used by Rooney and his Granny shag.

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10 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

No it isn't. The fundamental principle of man management is to maximise the potential of those under your charge. You don't have to be liked but you must be respected and if employees are unhappy with you that shows you've failed in explaining your objectives, failed to demonstrate you've afforded fair and equal consideration to all and  fundamentally failed to communicate proportionately such you keep all, including those who may be disgruntled, onside.

Naughty steps and exclusions do not figure.

Absolutely - and that's all the more so when your 'product' is the performance of the people you manage - the show they put on. Once the match starts there's limited opportunity as a manager to influence performance, you're in the hands of the folk you've been prepping all week. Do that badly and it's a fiasco, and that's down to you. What you're aiming for is a group that understands exactly what's expected of them and has the confidence to react to challenges...a group that can show off everything you've been working on together, and can put on a show. That doesn't happen with disgruntled, resentful, folk.

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The bottom line is that he doesn't know his best team or formation or how to use and get the best out of some talented players. 

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33 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

You apparently seem to know an awful lot of info. How would you even know such things as above? 

 

This. 

Truth is no one on here has the slightest clue if he has ‘lost’ the dressing room, just adding to massive over reaction on wanting LJ out.

Bang on. I've not seen any evidence. Not one player as far as I'm aware has complained about LJ or the backroom staff. I'm certainly hoping such comments are not based on one comment from McGregor, a reporter consistently castigated on here, that the relationship with KP, one player, is on the down slope. 

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11 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Agreed. The only positive to come out of that game was that we were positively stuffed. Grow some bollycocks and be honest. Surely "box entries" is a term used by Rooney and his Granny shag.

Not the only positive, getting Fam fired up in the right way! None of us have ever seen him play like that before - I think that was down to Korey, demonstrating who should be wearing the armband

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As somebody who over the years was tasked with the responsibility of managing a number of others there's one thing you learn very quickly. You delegate and encourage others to stand up and make their own decisions, to revel in any success they deliver but always on the proviso that when things go wrong it's YOU and YOU ALONE who shoulders the blame. Your charges will know the truth, as will others, but it'll also gain you their trust and future commitment. Nothing wrong with a blame culture, but never do it in public rather quietly explain how such failings might be avoided and listen to why others think they've failed rather than simply pointing out to their obvious failings (as if they wouldn't know already.)

Review WeeLee's recent post-match press conferences and draw your own conclusions.

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Lost the Dressing Room (phrase)

One of those lazy throwaway comments that accompanies a bad run and doesn’t nevesssily have any basis in fact. 

See also:

Yes man, bust-up, thrown under the bus

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4 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

As somebody who over the years was tasked with the responsibility of managing a number of others there's one thing you learn very quickly. You delegate and encourage others to stand up and make their own decisions, to revel in any success they deliver but always on the proviso that when things go wrong it's YOU and YOU ALONE who shoulders the blame. Your charges will know the truth, as will others, but it'll also gain you their trust and future commitment. Nothing wrong with a blame culture, but never do it in public rather quietly explain how such failings might be avoided and listen to why others think they've failed rather than simply pointing out to their obvious failings (as if they wouldn't know already.)

Review WeeLee's recent post-match press conferences and draw your own conclusions.

Spot on that

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57 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think it’s an easy phrase to throw out there when your team is losing.

Yep, just another bullshit phrase.

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12 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

As somebody who over the years was tasked with the responsibility of managing a number of others there's one thing you learn very quickly. You delegate and encourage others to stand up and make their own decisions, to revel in any success they deliver but always on the proviso that when things go wrong it's YOU and YOU ALONE who shoulders the blame. Your charges will know the truth, as will others, but it'll also gain you their trust and future commitment. Nothing wrong with a blame culture, but never do it in public rather quietly explain how such failings might be avoided and listen to why others think they've failed rather than simply pointing out to their obvious failings (as if they wouldn't know already.)

Review WeeLee's recent post-match press conferences and draw your own conclusions.

C;learly no UEFA coaching badges for that then.....

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1 hour ago, numbeast said:

I hear this phrase everytime we hit a bad run or the managers tenure is, or as some would like, coming to an end. Now this isn't about Lee Johnson or any other manager in particular.

If the squad are unhappy with their coach/manager that's fair enough. It becomes wrong when the let it affect their work. In the real world there are plenty of poor manager regardless of the industry we all have to put up with. Imagine you disliked your manager in work and the quality of your work went into free fall. Who would be getting the disciplinary? 

These players are Bristol City employees not Lee Johnsons, not Steve Lansdowns they are, for the want of a better word, the property of the club. If there is a growing discord between the manager and his squad then those with a grievance should go to either the chairman or the owner and tell them what the problem is.

You can question the managements ability to motivate but surely running out to the cheers and applause of 17 or 18,000 home fans should be motivation enough. These guys are living the dream of millions of 18 to 30 year old men, doing something they love and getting far more money than they would in almost any other walk of life.

When I thought about starting this topic I tried to see it from many angles and came to a worrying conclusion. The squad may have lost respect for the manager but by putting in substandard performances they are showing disrespect to the club who pay their wages but more importantly they're showing no respect to the likes of you and I, the fans who give up time and money to watch them not just at BS3 but all over the country.

So my message to the squad would be, if your unhappy take the problem up with the manager. If you get no joy take it to Steve Lansdown. Finally if there's no improvement hand in a transfer request en mass and do it very publically I'm sure your agents to arrange the publicity. Don't make the fans suffer.

 

Can you honestly compare your reality to that of a professional football player?

Performance in a team sport is a complex subject that generally does not parallel wider society. In sport it is illogical to expect individuals to still perform at their best when they cease to respect and trust people who control large parts of their professional life. It would take a special individual not to be affected and we are not wired like that in general.

The above is not a reflection of Lee Johnson just on your parallel.

 

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30 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

As somebody who over the years was tasked with the responsibility of managing a number of others there's one thing you learn very quickly. You delegate and encourage others to stand up and make their own decisions, to revel in any success they deliver but always on the proviso that when things go wrong it's YOU and YOU ALONE who shoulders the blame. Your charges will know the truth, as will others, but it'll also gain you their trust and future commitment. Nothing wrong with a blame culture, but never do it in public rather quietly explain how such failings might be avoided and listen to why others think they've failed rather than simply pointing out to their obvious failings (as if they wouldn't know already.)

Review WeeLee's recent post-match press conferences and draw your own conclusions.

I’ve also managed at a very senior level for many years, and if my staff had believed it was ME and ME ALONE who would take the blame, it would be a huge recipe for complacency and carelessness.  I have always delegated but on the basis that if things go wrong we’re all in it together, and while I see almost all mistakes as recoverable, people have to take responsibility for their own individual errors.  What I would take responsibility for is poor organisation, poor planning and a lack of morale and team spirit, but people in every walk of life have got to step up and take responsibility for their own performances,

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2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I’ve also managed at a very senior level for many years, and if my staff had believed it was ME and ME ALONE who would take the blame, it would be a huge recipe for complacency and carelessness.  I have always delegated but on the basis that if things go wrong we’re all in it together, and while I see almost all mistakes as recoverable, people have to take responsibility for their own individual errors.  What I would take responsibility for is poor organisation, poor planning and a lack of morale and team spirit, but people in every walk of life have got to step up and take responsibility for their own performances.

If you read what I wrote I said what happens in private, publicly it must always be a different story. That does not lead to staff believing anything other than the truth or complacency, rather reinforces the objectives one desires.

You manage, the buck stops with you and you get to those management positions through job applications and interviews by refering to 'I', never 'We'.

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

If you read what I wrote I said what happens in private, publicly it must always be a different story. That does not lead to staff believing anything other than the truth or complacency, rather reinforces the objectives one desires.

You manage, the buck stops with you and you get to those management positions through job applications and interviews by refering to 'I', never 'We'.

I didn’t read what you wrote, I just don’t necessarily agree with it.  No problem.

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Noticed the comment bad run a few times which of course is true. However its a run of inept performances not just poor results that make people think there are issues in the dressing room and at the club! 

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2 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Lost the Dressing Room (phrase)

One of those lazy throwaway comments that accompanies a bad run and doesn’t nevesssily have any basis in fact. 

See also:

Yes man, bust-up, thrown under the bus

It could mean anything, from losing the players interest and attention, but being able to turn it round and recover, right through to being a hated figure, who the group conspire to get rid of.  So whilst it is a bit of a glib phrase, it covers a multitude of scenarios and occasionally when a team is on a bad run, probably has some merit.

I think it matters not whether you are a footballer, or working in another role, you are going to perform better if you don’t think your Manager is a dick, be that for a few hours and you make up, or it’s a deep seated, won’t change attitude.

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I think the other thing related to this is this idea that "player x has been overheard whining about his boss to his friends so there are obviously massive problems". I've honestly never worked in a workplace where people don't whinge about their boss from time to time.

My current manager is the best manager I've ever had and I've frequently told him, and other people, that. Yet I've also had at least two massive shouting matches with him, called him an arrogant **** to his face and told friends in the pub he's an absolute arsehole. Falling out with your boss from time to time doesn't necessarily mean there is a crisis.

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2 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Can you honestly compare your reality to that of a professional football player?

Performance in a team sport is a complex subject that generally does not parallel wider society. In sport it is illogical to expect individuals to still perform at their best when they cease to respect and trust people who control large parts of their professional life. It would take a special individual not to be affected and we are not wired like that in general.

The above is not a reflection of Lee Johnson just on your parallel.

 

Any areas you would compare ?

I would have thought a soldier would simply have to perform at their best, and at a much lesser level, people who are paid on results even if their didn't respect or even trust those in control.

Both examples working in "teams" of course.

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3 hours ago, steveybadger said:

Not sure who said it (may have been a cricketer) but team spirit was once described as something like a temporary illusion created by winning.

Think it was Colin Dredge, mate. Pretty sure it was...

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Players will always be disappointed - and sometimes annoyed - not to make the 11 or 18. 

That, I'd imagine, is at the heart of any Kasey Palmer beef with Johnson. But it's nothing that players won't see at any club, or indeed managers have to deal with on an ongoing basis everywhere in their career.

If the idea is that somehow every player is playing badly (and i thought they were all sub-par on Wednesday, with the possible exception of Fammy and Watkins) because one or more are feeling aggrieved at being left out, that - to borrow a phrase from Capt Mainwaring - is straying into the realms of fantasy. 

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Jeez people. Just tag me like. I don't bite unless you ask nicely. 😜

 

Yes I've said it and yes, I said it today. There have been rumours of a row with COD and now KP. We all know what happened with Tomlin. We also know that LJ isn't the coolest of cucumbers (see NYD) when he got his knickers in a knot. 

Pressure is a hard thing to deal with and we all lose our shit now and again. But I also believe there is no smoke without fire. These rumours have been flying around and I believe there has to be an element of truth. How many of us has cussed our boss under our breath? 

 

The incoherence, the familiar faces, the odd decisions. I think a fair few lads are fed up and that is showing both on the training pitch (so not getting picked) and the lacklustre performance in a match. 

 

I'll be happy to eat humble pie if I'm wrong but there is more to this than KP moving to Swansea.

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4 minutes ago, Septic Peg said:

Jeez people. Just tag me like. I don't bite unless you ask nicely. 😜

 

Yes I've said it and yes, I said it today. There have been rumours of a row with COD and now KP. We all know what happened with Tomlin. We also know that LJ isn't the coolest of cucumbers (see NYD) when he got his knickers in a knot. 

Pressure is a hard thing to deal with and we all lose our shit now and again. But I also believe there is no smoke without fire. These rumours have been flying around and I believe there has to be an element of truth. How many of us has cussed our boss under our breath? 

 

The incoherence, the familiar faces, the odd decisions. I think a fair few lads are fed up and that is showing both on the training pitch (so not getting picked) and the lacklustre performance in a match. 

 

I'll be happy to eat humble pie if I'm wrong but there is more to this than KP moving to Swansea.

He manages the familiar faces, yet is also prone to some quite big shifts in the team selection game to game- quite a feat!

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

Players will always be disappointed - and sometimes annoyed - not to make the 11 or 18. 

That, I'd imagine, is at the heart of any Kasey Palmer beef with Johnson. But it's nothing that players won't see at any club, or indeed managers have to deal with on an ongoing basis everywhere in their career.

If the idea is that somehow every player is playing badly (and i thought they were all sub-par on Wednesday, with the possible exception of Fammy and Watkins) because one or more are feeling aggrieved at being left out, that - to borrow a phrase from Capt Mainwaring - is straying into the realms of fantasy. 

Just been reading GMG and he claims LJ told the squad of 18 they had to travel on Christmas Day, KP was not in the squad but was also told to travel - big deal to a young player with a young family,  I would have been pretty miffed too, faced with that kind of Petty minded instruction - once again, if true, it reflects on LJs poor man management.

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1 minute ago, dave36 said:

Just been reading GMG and he claims LJ told the squad of 18 they had to travel on Christmas Day, PK was not in the squad but was also told to travel - big deal to a young player with a young family,  I would have been pretty miffed too, faced with that kind of Petty minded instruction - once again, if true, it reflects on LJs poor man management.

If that’s true it says a lot about Johnson, petty at best , total manual manipulator at worst.

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5 hours ago, Homer Simpson said:

I believe the phrase was first used just after the turn of the century, when Ian Holloway was in charge of the gas. But it was a particularly stormy time at the mem and the dressing room was eventually located hanging from telephone wires above Filton Avenue.

 

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The phrase has been around as long as I can remember.

I don't think he has, yet. But publicly slating individuals is one of the quickest ways to instigate it.

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5 minutes ago, glen humphries said:

If that’s true it says a lot about Johnson, petty at best , total manual manipulator at worst.

For those that missed it:

Why is Palmer so upset? How has Lee Johnson 'mis-treated' Kasey?

Here is one example: we understand that every player who was not in the 18-man squad for the game against Charlton Athletic on Boxing Day was told that they did not need to travel on Christmas Day.

However, Palmer was then made to travel despite not being in the 18. This was seen as specifically aimed at Palmer.

Of course, Lee Johnson may have his reasons for this, but it does not sound good.

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6 minutes ago, glen humphries said:

If that’s true it says a lot about Johnson, petty at best , total manual manipulator at worst.

 

8 minutes ago, dave36 said:

Just been reading GMG and he claims LJ told the squad of 18 they had to travel on Christmas Day, KP was not in the squad but was also told to travel - big deal to a young player with a young family,  I would have been pretty miffed too, faced with that kind of Petty minded instruction - once again, if true, it reflects on LJs poor man management.

Don't believe that. The players almost always travel to a hotel on Christmas afternoon and always will have a couple or three reserves in addition to 18 man squad.

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15 minutes ago, dave36 said:

Just been reading GMG and he claims LJ told the squad of 18 they had to travel on Christmas Day, KP was not in the squad but was also told to travel - big deal to a young player with a young family,  I would have been pretty miffed too, faced with that kind of Petty minded instruction - once again, if true, it reflects on LJs poor man management.

Hmm, can't argue with that. And TBF can't quite see why Johnson would've done that. I guess the idea was to have a #19 with you, in case one of the 18 developed something last minute. At Christmas though, you'd think he could be flexible over that. It being entirely possible to get to London on Boxing Day morning.

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