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REDOXO

Now is the time Steve!

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6 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

You know it mate!....Did you fly from Guernsey for that again!!?

Yep. He needs to get rid now otherwise he could look weak and  incompetent and lose the faith of many fans (not all I agree) 

There is just time to save the season.

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2 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

I wouldnt cross the road to see us at the moment, even if it was free.

I would cross the road to get away from it...As many have recently!

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Assume a 4 year ‘progress’ review will be undertaken in January.

Depressing stuff.

I wouldn’t swap one of LJs players for one of Cotts final squad.......even at 40 years old Wilbs shows more desire, energy and commitment than any of our show ponies.

Spent £ millions, had what should have been a massive new stadium bounce, backed to the hilt and we’re just woefully weak mentally and physically. A bunch of individuals with no identity, game plan and even less desire. 

Awful. Need a completely new midfield and attack. Only Elliason worth keeping imo. 

 

 

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At least it's time for SL to come out and make a statement, even if it is what deep down we all know to expect.

"I still believe in LJ and the project. He's here for the long term regardless. I have put my money in and the decision stays with me"

That way we all know what's going on and can decide whether or not to spend more of our own $. Unfortunately I don't get to make a choice of whether or not to go down the gate on a regular basis but I was hoping to be able to to persuade Mrs City_USA that I needed to make it back for a couple of games at the end of the season for a playoff push.

Think I have been saved a couple of grand and a hall pass

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3.5 yrs left on super lee’s contract! / God that second half was bad penned in by a league 1 outfit.

Did we have a shot second half?

My boy said that’s the worst he’s seen ever.

Mind you the cheddar valley was good and as for that chunky steak pie! Wow

 Johnson our now please sir steve

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If we lose to Wigan, it should be the end for LJ.  I wanted him to stay as before the Brentford game I felt he could still get us back into good form and press again for the top six, but this seems beyond him now.

The performance today was dreadful. 

I would give LJ this week and a chance to fashion some improvement against Wigan.

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3 hours ago, Victory Park Reds said:

3.5 yrs left on super lee’s contract! / God that second half was bad penned in by a league 1 outfit.

Did we have a shot second half?

My boy said that’s the worst he’s seen ever.

Mind you the cheddar valley was good and as for that chunky steak pie! Wow

 Johnson our now please sir steve

I'm sure he didn't give any of his H&L employees a 4 year contract. And I bet some of them use English we can understand. 

Kind of shows SL has limitations. 

And I bet H&L offices have warm water and hand driers too. 

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2 hours ago, reddogkev said:

If we lose to Wigan, it should be the end for LJ.  I wanted him to stay as before the Brentford game I felt he could still get us back into good form and press again for the top six, but this seems beyond him now.

The performance today was dreadful. 

I would give LJ this week and a chance to fashion some improvement against Wigan.

What if we are then fantastic( unlikely I know) against Wigan but then put in another 3 or 4 performances after. A decision has to be made by mr L. Either come out and back him NOW or get rid

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I'd like to see how we get on against Wigan and Barnsley. A draw away and win at home would be a foundation to build on. And if we could secure a morale-boosting signing or two, we could get some momentum going. 

 

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No manager stays forever. It's just gone stale. When fans don't want to go anymore a change is due. For God sake ranieri got the boot from Leicester the season after winning the premier league. Why are we so reluctant to try a change.

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3 minutes ago, mozo said:

I'd like to see how we get on against Wigan and Barnsley. A draw away and win at home would be a foundation to build on. And if we could secure a morale-boosting signing or two, we could get some momentum going. 

 

To what end though? This is the third January in a row we are saying this. Do we do it again next January? Not having a go at you just saying it all sounds familiar. We are in and around the playoff and if we can just get those 1-2 key players we can make it. 

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12 minutes ago, Redsi2 said:

No manager stays forever. It's just gone stale. When fans don't want to go anymore a change is due. For God sake ranieri got the boot from Leicester the season after winning the premier league. Why are we so reluctant to try a change.

It's gone really stale and that's why I want a change. Theres a good coach in there somewhere but I think he has got too comfortable here. I get bored of his voice even when we are doing well, and am worried by the perception of young transfer targets after Szmodics, Adelakun etc. We got some great foundations here for the next man to take on.

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It must be worrying for the club the number of season ticket holders that are not attending. The attendance given includes season tickets but the actual attendance for the Brentford game showed that there were approaching 4500 that didn’t show up. Can’t see these people renewing next season on that evidence.

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16 minutes ago, Redsi2 said:

No manager stays forever. It's just gone stale. When fans don't want to go anymore a change is due. For God sake ranieri got the boot from Leicester the season after winning the premier league. Why are we so reluctant to try a change.

Because Johnson is a “Yes Boss” man. Lansdown and Ashton like that. 
He should go but he won’t until the crowds/season ticket sales drop.That is what hurts Lansdown the most.

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3 hours ago, reddogkev said:

If we lose to Wigan, it should be the end for LJ.  I wanted him to stay as before the Brentford game I felt he could still get us back into good form and press again for the top six, but this seems beyond him now.

The performance today was dreadful. 

I would give LJ this week and a chance to fashion some improvement against Wigan.

Hes run out of flippin chances

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8 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

Because Johnson is a “Yes Boss” man. Lansdown and Ashton like that. 
He should go but he won’t until the crowds/season ticket sales drop.That is what hurts Lansdown the most.

Im not sure it will mate. BCFC is just a small fraction of his income and fortune.

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2 hours ago, Top Robin said:

Im not sure it will mate. BCFC is just a small fraction of his income and fortune.

Income from the football club not likely but he is wealthy enough to not let short term downturn in revenues to bother him. 

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7 hours ago, City_USA said:

At least it's time for SL to come out and make a statement, even if it is what deep down we all know to expect.

"I still believe in LJ and the project. He's here for the long term regardless. I have put my money in and the decision stays with me"

That way we all know what's going on and can decide whether or not to spend more of our own $. Unfortunately I don't get to make a choice of whether or not to go down the gate on a regular basis but I was hoping to be able to to persuade Mrs City_USA that I needed to make it back for a couple of games at the end of the season for a playoff push.

Think I have been saved a couple of grand and a hall pass

I went back in November and watched the Blackburn game. I did also plan to get back at the end of the season for a play off game. However after attending the gate in November and recent form I think it’s best to not bother and save the flight money for next season when hopefully we have a new manager that can give us a serious premiership challenge.

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3 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

To what end though? This is the third January in a row we are saying this. Do we do it again next January? Not having a go at you just saying it all sounds familiar. We are in and around the playoff and if we can just get those 1-2 key players we can make it. 

I think this squad is more than capable of 6th, if coached/managed correctly. 

Captain Johnson certainly doesn't look like he's steering the good ship to that promised land right now.

And if we don't make the play offs, or at least come very close (ie improvement on last season), then it's a season of failure. 

In the failure scenario, he will claim circumstances conspired against us, and it was a transitional "rebuild" season. He'd possibly have a point, but I'd still want a change.

So in theory I'd say his continuous improvement has earned him the right to see out the season. 

But if this wretched run just keeps going, I'll probably lose patience sooner.

 

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7 hours ago, RedRock said:

Assume a 4 year ‘progress’ review will be undertaken in January.

Depressing stuff.

I wouldn’t swap one of LJs players for one of Cotts final squad.......even at 40 years old Wilbs shows more desire, energy and commitment than any of our show ponies.

Spent £ millions, had what should have been a massive new stadium bounce, backed to the hilt and we’re just woefully weak mentally and physically. A bunch of individuals with no identity, game plan and even less desire. 

Awful. Need a completely new midfield and attack. Only Elliason worth keeping imo. 

 

 

Disagree, the squad that we have can, and on occasion, DO play some really good stuff however today, we were just passing it around at the back for the sake of it sometimes and once again, there was no obvious organisation or attacking strategy.

This rests firmly at the door of the coaching staff and right now, we simply don't look like a coherent football team yet we have 3 good quality Chelsea products and various other internationals with decent pedigree, all of whom DO know how to play football so, what does that tell you

If we want the best out of our squad, we need a coach/manager who the players will respect for their achievements and follow accordingly. Just like his father, LJ has run out of ways of getting the best out of our squad, it is evident from the lack of desire that they are clearly not in harmony with him and are just going through the motions

Given the amount of money we have spent on our squad, spending the money to get a good quality coach with a proven track record should not be beyond us

 

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5 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think this squad is more than capable of 6th, if coached/managed correctly. 

Captain Johnson certainly doesn't look like he's steering the good ship to that promised land right now.

And if we don't make the play offs, or at least come very close (ie improvement on last season), then it's a season of failure. 

In the failure scenario, he will claim circumstances conspired against us, and it was a transitional "rebuild" season. He'd possibly have a point, but I'd still want a change.

So in theory I'd say his continuous improvement has earned him the right to see out the season. 

But if this wretched run just keeps going, I'll probably lose patience sooner.

 

I don’t like that but it is fair. Just afraid we finish near 70 points and 6th again he will get one more season. 

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He is going nowhere, UNLESS, we get into a relegation fight. That could happen but I doubt it -  it’s going to be rinse and repeat  Again!

Anyone who understands football knows that LJ will not get us promoted, but the owner is utterly committed to him. This is one SC holder that is not sure that he wants to continue with this farce.

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39 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I don’t like that but it is fair. Just afraid we finish near 70 points and 6th again he will get one more season. 

If we made 6th and the playoffs then LJ could rightly say he had achieved SL’s requirements. Humble Pie all round and the crowds would come for a playoff semi-final, especially as we would have to be playing a hell of a lot better than we are now in the process.

However the evidence of the last month suggests that LJ has more chance of taking us towards a relegation battle than the playoffs.

 

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5 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

He is going nowhere, UNLESS, we get into a relegation fight. That could happen but I doubt it -  it’s going to be rinse and repeat  Again!

Anyone who understands football knows that LJ will not get us promoted, but the owner is utterly committed to him. This is one SC holder that is not sure that he wants to continue with this farce.

Agreed, it will need an Arsenal style boycott perhaps to get the message through, a more than half empty stadium (like today) will focus the owners attention.

Frankly, the turgid stuff that we are churning out at the moment will be the catalyst for this and it will be LJ's own fault as he has been incubating this really DULL AND BORING style of football for several seasons now. The atmosphere was dead again and with the AG crowd never having been Stoke like in nature, we literally have very little to encourage any excitement.

The owner has to realise that he is encouraging the death of the support for this club, not from the long termers but the current and next generation. Having seen what real football looks like on TV, they are simply not interested in going to watch dross

Food for thought Mr Lansdown...

 

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27 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

He is going nowhere, UNLESS, we get into a relegation fight. That could happen but I doubt it -  it’s going to be rinse and repeat  Again!

Anyone who understands football knows that LJ will not get us promoted, but the owner is utterly committed to him. This is one SC holder that is not sure that he wants to continue with this farce.

Seconded. Agree with every word Scottish Red. I’m done with paying my hard earned in to support lansdowns indulgence in Johnson’s career.

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10 hours ago, glos old boy said:

I wouldnt cross the road to see us at the moment, even if it was free.

I followed us everywhere in the fourth division, watched us when we were 92nd in the football league.

Will I pay to watch us now, not a chance. 

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41 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I followed us everywhere in the fourth division, watched us when we were 92nd in the football league.

Will I pay to watch us now, not a chance. 

That makes two of us, crying shame isn't it.

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It's land,offices,houses,conferences,concerts and hotels on once was OUR home that SL is interested in. This was set in motion years ago.

For the ££

Football is a hobby and a place to have meetings about his empire before a game.

I genuinely laugh at people who think SL is 'bankrolling' the club.

It's pocket change, debt into shares to claim complete ownership of club,stadium and land.

£300 mil over 20 yrs - that's 700 houses at AV.

He will sell up and leave with an enormous profit on BS (not BCFC) - he's a Billionaire for a reason. 

Buy low,invest,accumulate ,sell high.

Bad guy - no

Great Businessman - hell yes.

Invested 100% in running BCFC as it should be - not even close.

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9 hours ago, Tammyjr said:

Got slated for my topic of have we blown it allready months ago ( seems i was right )

Yes, and rightly so. A couple of months ago we were in good form and had only lost 2 games!

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3 hours ago, SX227 said:

It's land,offices,houses,conferences,concerts and hotels on once was OUR home that SL is interested in. This was set in motion years ago.

For the ££

Football is a hobby and a place to have meetings about his empire before a game.

I genuinely laugh at people who think SL is 'bankrolling' the club.

It's pocket change, debt into shares to claim complete ownership of club,stadium and land.

£300 mil over 20 yrs - that's 700 houses at AV.

He will sell up and leave with an enormous profit on BS (not BCFC) - he's a Billionaire for a reason. 

Buy low,invest,accumulate ,sell high.

Bad guy - no

Great Businessman - hell yes.

Invested 100% in running BCFC as it should be - not even close.

Lansdown has done a lot for this club. New stadium, training ground, millions for transfers. He won't make any money out of selling the club. And let's say he did...we'd end up with another Vincent tan, who doesn't care about the identity of the club and will change the kit to blue

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6 hours ago, Scrumpys Dietary Advisor.. said:

Disagree, the squad that we have can, and on occasion, DO play some really good stuff however today, we were just passing it around at the back for the sake of it sometimes and once again, there was no obvious organisation or attacking strategy.

This rests firmly at the door of the coaching staff and right now, we simply don't look like a coherent football team yet we have 3 good quality Chelsea products and various other internationals with decent pedigree, all of whom DO know how to play football so, what does that tell you

If we want the best out of our squad, we need a coach/manager who the players will respect for their achievements and follow accordingly. Just like his father, LJ has run out of ways of getting the best out of our squad, it is evident from the lack of desire that they are clearly not in harmony with him and are just going through the motions

Given the amount of money we have spent on our squad, spending the money to get a good quality coach with a proven track record should not be beyond us

Sorry to say but THIS several times over. The lack of attacking gameplan or strategy in the second half when an average League One side had got tight to Eliasson and made adjustments to close the space for Palmer, was utterly terrifying. I know our inability to break teams down at home has become a bit of a recurring joke, but against Shrewsbury I couldn't even have told you what our plan to attack was, we only looked good when those two flair players showed a bit of individual initiative themselves, once they'd been neutralised there didn't appear to be any serious strategy from the manager unless you count defenders launching overhit 50 yard punts at Diedhiou's head. So we rarely kept possession and spent most of the second half simply watching Shrewsbury (SHREWSBURY) with the ball playing round us looking for a winner.

We aren't getting the best out of our squad is the understatement of the year and it's only January 5th.

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3 hours ago, SX227 said:

It's land,offices,houses,conferences,concerts and hotels on once was OUR home that SL is interested in. This was set in motion years ago.

For the ££

Football is a hobby and a place to have meetings about his empire before a game.

I genuinely laugh at people who think SL is 'bankrolling' the club.

It's pocket change, debt into shares to claim complete ownership of club,stadium and land.

£300 mil over 20 yrs - that's 700 houses at AV.

He will sell up and leave with an enormous profit on BS (not BCFC) - he's a Billionaire for a reason. 

Buy low,invest,accumulate ,sell high.

Bad guy - no

Great Businessman - hell yes.

Invested 100% in running BCFC as it should be - not even close.

Great post and some strong comments. If you are 100% correct then you hit the nail on the head. However where does this leave the club ??

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3 hours ago, SX227 said:

It's land,offices,houses,conferences,concerts and hotels on once was OUR home that SL is interested in. This was set in motion years ago.

For the ££

Football is a hobby and a place to have meetings about his empire before a game.

I genuinely laugh at people who think SL is 'bankrolling' the club.

It's pocket change, debt into shares to claim complete ownership of club,stadium and land.

£300 mil over 20 yrs - that's 700 houses at AV.

He will sell up and leave with an enormous profit on BS (not BCFC) - he's a Billionaire for a reason. 

Buy low,invest,accumulate ,sell high.

Bad guy - no

Great Businessman - hell yes.

Invested 100% in running BCFC as it should be - not even close.

Absolutely spot on. Join one of the few who have been saying this for years. Be lambasted for daring to think it let alone say it.

Buck stops at the top. Lansdown has done a lot for Bristol Sport - not BCFC - but anything he’s done is driven by whatever personal motive he has for doing it.

LJ was his choice. It’s Lansdown’s ball and at the moment I don’t see him taking it, or LJ away.

The football and lack of real desire is up there with the worst I’ve ever seen.

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10 hours ago, Tammyjr said:

Got slated for my topic of have we blown it allready months ago ( seems i was right )

:laugh: we were up to 3rd only recently. I'm as disappointed as everyone here with the run of losses, especially after the good results at Cardiff and Fulham. Still wouldn't change the manager tho. We still have a solid team but we just dont have enough goals in the side with Fam and Andi up top, for a promotion push. Losing Afobe was a massive blow and we were going to struggle to remain in the top six with our current setup and injuries before. imo Johnson deserves this window to strengthen those striking options, and then it's down to him to find the right midfield balance with Nagy, Korey etc Available now. Also Brownhill has been v.below par since the Cardiff game which hasn't helped our form in the last 5/6. League is still v.close and Johnson should get till end of the season imo

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11 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

To what end though? This is the third January in a row we are saying this. Do we do it again next January? Not having a go at you just saying it all sounds familiar. We are in and around the playoff and if we can just get those 1-2 key players we can make it. 

This is the bottom line, inaction now will result in the same again next season........sadly  SL will not act even if when we start flirting with the relegation spots. So same again, same again as it has been for a while now.

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1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Absolutely spot on. Join one of the few who have been saying this for years. Be lambasted for daring to think it let alone say it.

Buck stops at the top. Lansdown has done a lot for Bristol Sport - not BCFC - but anything he’s done is driven by whatever personal motive he has for doing it.

LJ was his choice. It’s Lansdown’s ball and at the moment I don’t see him taking it, or LJ away.

The football and lack of real desire is up there with the worst I’ve ever seen.

Are we not now part of something else? and something that anyone else could find difficult to buy/take over without buying BS as a whole?

LJ has a nearly new contract and SL will not be kicking his man out anytime soon, sad to say. We are jogging along up and down just about where he wants us to be, buying and selling and selling Season tickets in numbers why should he change anything. If he does it will cost him many millions.

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if he went what other club in the championship would give lee a managers job. i dont think any would. so why does steve think he is doing such a good job. unbelievable he is still here.

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9 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I don’t like that but it is fair. Just afraid we finish near 70 points and 6th again he will get one more season. 

Worst case scenario for you Joe is that we put in enough above average form to sneak 7th, meaning that we get the frustration of missing out on play offs, but Johnson will have just about achieved 'improvement' for another season.

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54 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

Are we not now part of something else? and something that anyone else could find difficult to buy/take over without buying BS as a whole?

LJ has a nearly new contract and SL will not be kicking his man out anytime soon, sad to say. We are jogging along up and down just about where he wants us to be, buying and selling and selling Season tickets in numbers why should he change anything. If he does it will cost him many millions.

I am not so sure that LJ can maintain the level of work rate he has himself set . 
 

For all his faults he is absolutely not lazy and has gone over and above what’s asked to try and bring success to this club. I doubt that we will find a replacement as highly motivated as he is to move this club forward. 
 

I believe LJ is suffering burn out and he should step back for everyone’s sake.

I like the guy and desperately want him to do well but we are into ‘ Groundhog Day ‘ territory and I believe we need a new shot of energy and ideas at the club to move us on.

For all those who resort to personal abuse of the man need a long hard look at themselves. 
 

 

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38 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

Are we not now part of something else? and something that anyone else could find difficult to buy/take over without buying BS as a whole?

LJ has a nearly new contract and SL will not be kicking his man out anytime soon, sad to say. We are jogging along up and down just about where he wants us to be, buying and selling and selling Season tickets in numbers why should he change anything. If he does it will cost him many millions.

Surely SL isn't stupid enough to omit decent performance clauses. Maybe he has the option to get rid if, say, we are below 12th during January etc. 

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13 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Surely SL isn't stupid enough to omit decent performance clauses. Maybe he has the option to get rid if, say, we are below 12th during January etc. 

Maybe, but cant see LJ going for a while yet, what-ever happens. He will be given more time "to build" and maybe only a large fall in ST sales will turn SL`s head, but cant see that either.

Still theres always hope, thats a killer and painfull with this club though as history shows.

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1 minute ago, glos old boy said:

Maybe, but cant see LJ going for a while yet, what-ever happens. He will be given more time "to build" and maybe only a large fall in ST sales will turn SL`s head, but cant see that either.

Still theres always hope, thats a killer and painfull with this club though as history shows.

The point I'm making is sensible clauses will limit the cost. 

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