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I will probably get hammered on here by some but some may support this option. 18th of January city at home to Barnsley on a Saturday at 3.00pm.

The negativity on OTIB and from most City supporters either locally, country wide or over sees are disappointed in how this season is panning out. Most point the blame to lee and some even the players.

the last two months performances for whatever reason are quite honestly below expectations for the supporters and the players. 

Every football follower i talk to in OZ always say to me “which team do you go for” most expect my response to be Liverpool or Man U etc. last year 2019 I proudly said BRISTOL CITY, most turn around and say yes I have heard of them and they say Prem football next season. However since the end of November 2019 I only whisper BRISTOL CITY when asked.

on the 18th of this month if 10,000.00 out of the usual 20,000.00  supporters only attend at an average of 20 quid a ticket (I’m aware there are season ticket holders that have already paid) refuse to attend that is a negative of around 200K. If more decide not to attend on the day and say only 5,000 turn up the loss could be be the turning point on why SL needs to bring in a new manager.

SL is an astute business person and although there is no doubt in his passion for the club but loosing money may wake him up to the continual negativity from the majority of supporters. It may even trigger a public announcement from him on his aspirations going forward.

I always wear my “cider army” tee shirt at home when City are playing for good luck. Probably have to let the dog have it now in his dog bed.

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Seriously deluded if you think there is an appetite for a boycott!! 

OTIB doesn't speak for the whole fanbase. On the LJ situation the fan base is split at best if not favouring him to stay slightly. 

Think the heat is getting to your head in OZ.

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Those numbers don't stack up. Most have already paid as they are season ticket holders. 

Looking at the ACTUAL attendances of late the quiet boycott has begun. 

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1 hour ago, City oz said:

I will probably get hammered on here by some but some may support this option. 18th of January city at home to Barnsley on a Saturday at 3.00pm.

The negativity on OTIB and from most City supporters either locally, country wide or over sees are disappointed in how this season is panning out. Most point the blame to lee and some even the players.

the last two months performances for whatever reason are quite honestly below expectations for the supporters and the players. 

Every football follower i talk to in OZ always say to me “which team do you go for” most expect my response to be Liverpool or Man U etc. last year 2019 I proudly said BRISTOL CITY, most turn around and say yes I have heard of them and they say Prem football next season. However since the end of November 2019 I only whisper BRISTOL CITY when asked.

on the 18th of this month if 10,000.00 out of the usual 20,000.00  supporters only attend at an average of 20 quid a ticket (I’m aware there are season ticket holders that have already paid) refuse to attend that is a negative of around 200K. If more decide not to attend on the day and say only 5,000 turn up the loss could be be the turning point on why SL needs to bring in a new manager.

SL is an astute business person and although there is no doubt in his passion for the club but loosing money may wake him up to the continual negativity from the majority of supporters. It may even trigger a public announcement from him on his aspirations going forward.

I always wear my “cider army” tee shirt at home when City are playing for good luck. Probably have to let the dog have it now in his dog bed.

Does .5 of a supporter mean they stay until half time, or have you just added in the decimal option for Dolman fans like me who leave early? 🤔

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I’ll be at Wigan, home to Barnsley, Reading maybe, QPR. Take the rough with the smooth, the bad times make you appreciate the good times even more.

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17 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Don’t care, I’m going because the team need our support

Same here, always have and always will but the silence is deafening at times during recent games and I only commented yesterday that even walking along the roads after the game it's too quiet.

Yes it is very difficult to get enthusiastic about what we saw yesterday but any kind of boycotting has no value with me.  The team is not motivating us and the silence is not motivating them.

There are two chants which IMO can always get things going, the Han Noah one and We Got Taylor Moore and it encourages two young players.  If these were run regularly against Barnsley it would do more than any boycotting.

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39 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Does .5 of a supporter mean they stay until half time, or have you just added in the decimal option for Dolman fans like me who leave early? 🤔

Bristol bob, you got the jest of what I was saying . I nearly got dollars mixed up with pounds.

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18 minutes ago, Chappers said:

I’ll be at Wigan, home to Barnsley, Reading maybe, QPR. Take the rough with the smooth, the bad times make you appreciate the good times even more.

Chappers  I could be incorrect but you maybe one of those who was to young for the division 1 days in the lates 70,s most of you that have responded have pushed through negative comments in regards to LJ. 

I suggest those of you stand up and state something that could get rid of LJ then because I bloody well cant think of anything else.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, City oz said:

Chappers  I could be incorrect but you maybe one of those who was to young for the division 1 days in the lates 70,s most of you that have responded have pushed through negative comments in regards to LJ. 

I suggest those of you stand up and state something that could get rid of LJ then because I bloody well cant think of anything else.

 

 

The majority of fans don't want LJ gone. The ones who do, generally don't attend games. And they are generally the most vocal on forums and social media.

Anyone who attends regularly and follows the intricacies of what's happening at our club, and others in the division, are able to see it for what it is.

We are a mid table team...anything more is a bonus. We've over achieved past couple seasons imo.

This overachievement has set expectations way too high imo.

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5 minutes ago, City oz said:

Chappers  I could be incorrect but you maybe one of those who was to young for the division 1 days in the lates 70,s most of you that have responded have pushed through negative comments in regards to LJ. 

I suggest those of you stand up and state something that could get rid of LJ then because I bloody well cant think of anything else.

 

 

First game was October 78, home to Forest, so I saw some of the Glory days and was a regular Home and Away during the Gory Days, thanks to Young Persons Railcards being introduced. I’m quite neutral to LJ, overall he’s done an excellent job, this season has not been great, but initial expectations were way to high. Change can work, but sometimes continuity delivers better long-term results.

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15 minutes ago, spudski said:

The majority of fans don't want LJ gone. The ones who do, generally don't attend games. And they are generally the most vocal on forums and social media.

Anyone who attends regularly and follows the intricacies of what's happening at our club, and others in the division, are able to see it for what it is.

We are a mid table team...anything more is a bonus. We've over achieved past couple seasons imo.

This overachievement has set expectations way too high imo.

Plus Steve Lansdown saying he wants top six this season 

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Hang on...isn't there already a boycott underway? I'm sure that it began about 2 years ago, and all the participants swore blind that they'd never set foot at AG while Johnson was still in charge. 

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A boycott is a ludicrous suggestion and a wild overreaction.

There are still many like me who have followed the club since the early sixties and have seen it all, from City in the top tier,  beating Arsenal, Man Utd & Liverpool, to almost going out of existence in the early eighties, being literally bottom of the fourth tier, and then slowly clawing our way back, to our present situation as an established Championship side with an impressive redeveloped stadium and gates regularly in excess of 20K.

Seen in that context of over half a century, a run of poor results extending over about half a dozen matches is minor stuff. I’m as disappointed as the next bloke, but the OP and quite a few other people need to get a sense of perspective. That or find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon that actually makes you happy, because history clearly demonstrates that if you commit to supporting a football club long term, you will need patience, a capacity for loyalty, ability to tolerate frustration and a life away from the game that allows you to see it for what it is.

Clearly, some people lack all four of those qualities, which is why OTIB at times like this can become a virtual cesspit of negativity. It’s pathetic and tiresome.

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3 hours ago, City oz said:

 

Every football follower i talk to in OZ always say to me “which team do you go for” most expect my response to be Liverpool or Man U etc. last year 2019 I proudly said BRISTOL CITY, most turn around and say yes I have heard of them and they say Prem football next season. However since the end of November 2019 I only whisper BRISTOL CITY when asked.

 

I always wear my “cider army” tee shirt at home when City are playing for good luck. Probably have to let the dog have it now in his dog bed.

Whisper? Bollocks to a few random Australians.

I have always been proud to say I support Bristol City, even in the 4th division

If City really are your team wear your City shirt in Australia with pride and tell any random PL lovers plainly Bristol City is your team however we're doing.

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, spudski said:

The majority of fans don't want LJ gone. The ones who do, generally don't attend games. And they are generally the most vocal on forums and social media.

Anyone who attends regularly and follows the intricacies of what's happening at our club, and others in the division, are able to see it for what it is.

We are a mid table team...anything more is a bonus. We've over achieved past couple seasons imo.

This overachievement has set expectations way too high imo.

People who do generally don't attend games? What do you base that on. I'd imagine people who do go regularly are the ones that want him gone as they see the turgid football for themselves.

Why the hell are we a mid-table team? Based on what? What are Brentford? Swansea? Maybe this small mindedness is one of the reasons this club underachieves. 

This league is bang average this year, most teams are similar. We have our most talented squad in how long? And our coach in draining the confidence from them. 

You make it sound you're not to worried how things are going? How can you not be? 

I do agree that some people can overreact. We've been in plenty worse situations. I just think people are frustrated because I/they genuinely feel we are not to far away.

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I'll be going as I've been going for 45 years and I've seen  lot worse than this current crop

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11 minutes ago, Big C said:

I'll be going as I've been going for 45 years and I've seen  lot worse than this current crop

Absolutely right. Well said, that man.

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27 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:

People who do generally don't attend games? What do you base that on. I'd imagine people who do go regularly are the ones that want him gone as they see the turgid football for themselves.

Why the hell are we a mid-table team? Based on what? What are Brentford? Swansea? Maybe this small mindedness is one of the reasons this club underachieves. 

This league is bang average this year, most teams are similar. We have our most talented squad in how long? And our coach in draining the confidence from them. 

You make it sound you're not to worried how things are going? How can you not be? 

I do agree that some people can overreact. We've been in plenty worse situations. I just think people are frustrated because I/they genuinely feel we are not to far away.

How many more times, we DO NOT have our most talented squad ever

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

The majority of fans don't want LJ gone. The ones who do, generally don't attend games. And they are generally the most vocal on forums and social media.

Anyone who attends regularly and follows the intricacies of what's happening at our club, and others in the division, are able to see it for what it is.

We are a mid table team...anything more is a bonus. We've over achieved past couple seasons imo.

This overachievement has set expectations way too high imo.

So why did sl say he wants top 6 and promotion is the aim , the club itself are making expectations to high according to you.

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1 hour ago, skinheadface said:

I'll be there,its my birthday. 😪

I was there yesterday, it was my birthday, a crap performance by the lads, JOHNSON OUT, and I go every game, those who support LJ must be either deluded or love rubbish football or GASHEADS, 

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34 minutes ago, Big C said:

I'll be going as I've been going for 45 years and I've seen  lot worse than this current crop

Well said! And especially well spelt for that last word! 

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18 minutes ago, glen humphries said:

So why did sl say he wants top 6 and promotion is the aim , the club itself are making expectations to high according to you.

That's what everyone in the league wants as well. He's putting in place things to help us get there.

Expectations and disappointment go hand in hand... because there are 20 odd others clubs trying to do the same thing and trying to stop you.

He's never going to come out and say we are looking to keep progressing and just establishing ourselves. That doesn't bring support or income in.

It's just about being realistic with what you have in front of you and trying to improve when you can and work around the set backs.

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4 minutes ago, spudski said:

That's what everyone in the league wants as well. He's putting in place things to help us get there.

Expectations and disappointment go hand in hand... because there are 20 odd others clubs trying to do the same thing and trying to stop you.

He's never going to come out and say we are looking to keep progressing and just establishing ourselves. That doesn't bring support or income in.

It's just about being realistic with what you have in front of you and trying to improve when you can and work around the set backs.

Get off this forum now, your post has honesty, logic and reality! Whatever next?

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What utter bollocks! You’re City till you die, not from when it gets better. Yes, we’re on a bad run, yes LJ is a figure who divides our fan base, but this isn’t by a long way the worse we’ve been through.

A boycott is an extreme measure, one that I’d only consider if we had a problem with our owner, which we don’t. It’s time for some people to stop being so dramatic.

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11 minutes ago, spudski said:

That's what everyone in the league wants as well. He's putting in place things to help us get there.

Expectations and disappointment go hand in hand... because there are 20 odd others clubs trying to do the same thing and trying to stop you.

He's never going to come out and say we are looking to keep progressing and just establishing ourselves. That doesn't bring support or income in.

It's just about being realistic with what you have in front of you and trying to improve when you can and work around the set backs.

But the objective was improvement, and both SL and LJ said that didn’t mean 8th to 7th!  The objective was play-offs.

7 minutes ago, Chappers said:

Get off this forum now, your post has honesty, logic and reality! Whatever next?

The reality might be we don’t make playoffs.  What SL then needs to decide is whether that was under-performance and what scale of under-performance.  Other factors will determine that too.

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4 hours ago, City oz said:

I will probably get hammered on here by some but some may support this option. 18th of January city at home to Barnsley on a Saturday at 3.00pm.

The negativity on OTIB and from most City supporters either locally, country wide or over sees are disappointed in how this season is panning out. Most point the blame to lee and some even the players.

the last two months performances for whatever reason are quite honestly below expectations for the supporters and the players. 

Every football follower i talk to in OZ always say to me “which team do you go for” most expect my response to be Liverpool or Man U etc. last year 2019 I proudly said BRISTOL CITY, most turn around and say yes I have heard of them and they say Prem football next season. However since the end of November 2019 I only whisper BRISTOL CITY when asked.

on the 18th of this month if 10,000.00 out of the usual 20,000.00  supporters only attend at an average of 20 quid a ticket (I’m aware there are season ticket holders that have already paid) refuse to attend that is a negative of around 200K. If more decide not to attend on the day and say only 5,000 turn up the loss could be be the turning point on why SL needs to bring in a new manager.

SL is an astute business person and although there is no doubt in his passion for the club but loosing money may wake him up to the continual negativity from the majority of supporters. It may even trigger a public announcement from him on his aspirations going forward.

I always wear my “cider army” tee shirt at home when City are playing for good luck. Probably have to let the dog have it now in his dog bed.

Heaven forbid... even the players?

Calling for a boycott?

You whisper when asked who you support?

You're going to give your cider army tee shirt to the dog so he can have it in his dog bed?

I think you may have a few roos loose in the top paddock.

 

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45 minutes ago, Chappers said:

How many more times, we DO NOT have our most talented squad ever

Nor is the league “bang average”, as the poster to whom you were responding also claimed. Try telling that to the managers of the other 23 clubs in the Championship. It’s brutally tough. 

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

But the objective was improvement, and both SL and LJ said that didn’t mean 8th to 7th!  The objective was play-offs.

The reality might be we don’t make playoffs.  What SL then needs to decide is whether that was under-performance and what scale of under-performance.  Other factors will determine that too.

Its all very well SL and LJ being positive and saying these things but they should be a bit more circumspect in saying them - there are thousands of people who'll take everything they say literally and expect some sort of explanation on why whatever was said didn't materialise. I think both need to tone down the rhetoric as it just leads to undue expectation from the fans and pressure for the staff. I'd expect the pair of them to have understood that managing expectations is vital in this industry.

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The worst game I ever endured was away to Wrexham on a cold, Tuesday night. Our manager was Tony Pulis. We were inept and clueless, and those adjectives were to describe our positives! 

Yes, I have watched the last 4 league matches in full on Sky. Were we as bad as our Tony Pulis team in North Wales? No.

Whisper all you like about being a City fan. I can't and won't especially as I've witnessed far worse from players and of course managers.

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6 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Its all very well SL and LJ being positive and saying these things but they should be a bit more circumspect in saying them - there are thousands of people who'll take everything they say literally and expect some sort of explanation on why whatever was said didn't materialise. I think both need to tone down the rhetoric as it just leads to undue expectation from the fans and pressure for the staff. I'd expect the pair of them to have understood that managing expectations is vital in this industry.

Very, very true.  Not helped when both also go on to say that this is the season (without the big hitters of previous seasons - Villa, Newcastle) is the season to go for it.

Personally I think our squad is good enough for top 6....it was 6 games ago!!  Time to prove it.

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I’ve been a supporter since 1970s and I’ve seen some highs but far more lows in my 40+ years as a fan. 

A few poor performances and bad results and we seem to go into meltdown - I get the disappointment about recent performances/results but come on; we are 1 set of results away from the playoffs. If we were fighting relegation then maybe, but we are, despite recent results, still battling at the top end of the division - which we are in for the 4th consecutive season. It’s a long time since that’s happened. 

Don’t misunderstand me; Lee must be held to account for recent form, but SACKED? Really? Pointing to Bournemouth as an example of where we should be; they gambled big time and won the jackpot - well done to them, but they would have been destroyed by  FFP if they hadn’t escaped into the Prem.

LJ isn’t above criticism, that’s not what I’m saying, but to change the manager now imho would be the wrong thing to do  

 

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17 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Its all very well SL and LJ being positive and saying these things but they should be a bit more circumspect in saying them - there are thousands of people who'll take everything they say literally and expect some sort of explanation on why whatever was said didn't materialise. I think both need to tone down the rhetoric as it just leads to undue expectation from the fans and pressure for the staff. I'd expect the pair of them to have understood that managing expectations is vital in this industry.

Not saying you don’t have a valid point, but nevertheless that’s a bit harsh. What should we expect them to say? All they are really saying is that the club is ambitious, which it is - look at the off-field progress, such as the stadium, training facilities and so on, as well as on-field results. And to be fair, their comments have often been tempered with reminders of the owner’s insistence on financial sustainability, and all that it implies. Viewed in that light, I’d have said the club’s stance in relation to expectations has been reasonably balanced. It’s in the rants of a small section of the OTIB membership that you find a lack of balance, not least the bloke who started this thread with the idea that the present situation justifies a mass boycott. Priceless.

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15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But the objective was improvement, and both SL and LJ said that didn’t mean 8th to 7th!  The objective was play-offs.

The reality might be we don’t make playoffs.  What SL then needs to decide is whether that was under-performance and what scale of under-performance.  Other factors will determine that too.

True mate....on paper. But take into consideration to the injuries we've had again this season to arguably our best three players, Kalas, DaSilva, Afobe...Then experience in midfield of Smith. Also Nagy. That's going to take it's toll.

We have been putting in performances that reflect that. Use of a rotating constant injury filled squad, that's often overplayed in certain positions and has lacked experience in certain areas.

I think what's happening now is a reflection of that.

Tired over used inexperienced players, being replaced by players that have had long term injuries and getting back up to speed. 

And a very poor frontline.

Everything adds up imo.

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2 hours ago, spudski said:

The majority of fans don't want LJ gone. The ones who do, generally don't attend games. And they are generally the most vocal on forums and social media.

Anyone who attends regularly and follows the intricacies of what's happening at our club, and others in the division, are able to see it for what it is.

We are a mid table team...anything more is a bonus. We've over achieved past couple seasons imo.

This overachievement has set expectations way too high imo.

The point being that we were sold  very forcefully the idea that we were going to go for it after nearish misses in the last couple of seasons.

We , the supporters, didn’t insist on getting promotion or a top six place but the club stated that that was the objective.

It is normal that having touched greatness that now questions are being asked as to why , once again, we appear to be falling away alarmingly.

Who’s responsible ?

It’s not the supporters.

 

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Bolton boycott when their owner nearly makes them bust

Hull boycott when their owner stops caring about the club 

Blackpool boycott when their owner sends them from the Premier League to League 1 

We boycott when we're 3 points off the play-offs?

It's a no from me mate.

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2 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

Not saying you don’t have a valid point, but nevertheless that’s a bit harsh. What should we expect them to say? All they are really saying is that the club is ambitious, which it is - look at the off-field progress, such as the stadium, training facilities and so on, as well as on-field results. And to be fair, their comments have often been tempered with reminders of the owner’s insistence on financial sustainability, and all that it implies. Viewed in that light, I’d have said the club’s stance in relation to expectations has been reasonably balanced.

Maybe, and its a fair point. 

But it doesn't change the fact that what is said will be taken literally by thousands of people - they won't bother about sustainability or the other 23 teams trying to achieve the same objectives, or dips in form, etc. They'll demand to know why whatever was said didn't happen, it just creates a false sense of entitlement in thousands of people who take their words literally.

I just think they could have worded their optimism and ambition better.

 

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2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

The point being that we were sold  very forcefully the idea that we were going to go for it after nearish misses in the last couple of seasons.

We , the supporters, didn’t insist on getting promotion or a top six place but the club stated that that was the objective.

It is normal that having touched greatness that now questions are being asked as to why , once again, we appear to be falling away alarmingly.

Who’s responsible ?

It’s not the supporters.

 

So we make top 6 then lose in the play offs... A Scenario that is odds on more likely to happen.

You can guarantee many will still say we failed miserably.

Top 6 means nothing. I wish fans wouldn't keep hanging their hat in it.

It's a complete lottery.

Cmon Major... you're better than that.

We can go back to last season, to when we had a dip. The forum was just as vitriolic then. Then we ended up doing ok.

It really is so frustrating...

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27 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But the objective was improvement, and both SL and LJ said that didn’t mean 8th to 7th!  The objective was play-offs.

The reality might be we don’t make playoffs.  What SL then needs to decide is whether that was under-performance and what scale of under-performance.  Other factors will determine that too.

Or maybe it was a case of selling our star defender, buying for the future and an injury limiting options up front. Sometimes you just have to accept that things haven’t gone to plan, and look ahead. Ultimately, even with a squad with few options up front and a lightweight midfield, we are still close to play offs, so you could argue that our coaches have performed well. 
It’s been dull at home, but our strength is at centre back, so play to that. Away it’s fine frustrating the opposition and sneaking a win.

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11 minutes ago, spudski said:

So we make top 6 then lose in the play offs... A Scenario that is odds on more likely to happen.

You can guarantee many will still say we failed miserably.

Top 6 means nothing. I wish fans wouldn't keep hanging their hat in it.

It's a complete lottery.

Cmon Major... you're better than that.

We can go back to last season, to when we had a dip. The forum was just as vitriolic then. Then we ended up doing ok.

It really is so frustrating...

There's a massive difference between top six, and seventh…

Top six you get an extra chance (a lottery yes, but a extra chance). Seventh - no extra chance.

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14 minutes ago, Chappers said:

Or maybe it was a case of selling our star defender, buying for the future and an injury limiting options up front. Sometimes you just have to accept that things haven’t gone to plan, and look ahead. Ultimately, even with a squad with few options up front and a lightweight midfield, we are still close to play offs, so you could argue that our coaches have performed well. 
It’s been dull at home, but our strength is at centre back, so play to that. Away it’s fine frustrating the opposition and sneaking a win.

Yes, absolutely.  SL might think that is a good season in retrospect if he sees Webster and Afobe as defining.  I’m fine with that.  League position is a guiding line, not the be-all and end-all (although pretty important).

The key is to turn around this slump quickly, keep in the mix.

What we need is ownership, not excuses, whether that stays internal or not I don’t care.

Just listened to the 9 minute audio from yesterday.  Apart from a bit of bullshit bingo, I thought it was standard fayre.  What we do need is evidence v Wigan that 3 day’s rest and then preparation has had an affect.  Otherwise it’s just another “let’s do something different and good it works, eventually something will” plan.

Saturday has to be the start.

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29 minutes ago, spudski said:

So we make top 6 then lose in the play offs... A Scenario that is odds on more likely to happen.

You can guarantee many will still say we failed miserably.

Top 6 means nothing. I wish fans wouldn't keep hanging their hat in it.

It's a complete lottery.

Cmon Major... you're better than that.

We can go back to last season, to when we had a dip. The forum was just as vitriolic then. Then we ended up doing ok.

It really is so frustrating...

Frustrating is the word .

Frustrating that the hopes of pushing on seem to have evaporated. We can all say that we are just two points off the play offs but until recently we were in with a shout of top two , then top three , then top six .

Legitimate questions are being asked after  record spending and I hope those same questions are being asked at the club.

Losing in the play offs would be an advance on last season and I believe that most supporters would accept that and look forward to going one step further in the following season in the same way Brighton did .

It , however, is not just down to results but the style of play that is bring criticised . After all the signings we still don’t look to have a solid coherent team that know what they’re doing or where they’re supposed to be.

Maybe we are over performing in the Championship but we certainly weren’t at home against a mid table League 1 side yesterday.

 I ask once again, who’s responsible ?

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53 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

The point being that we were sold  very forcefully the idea that we were going to go for it after nearish misses in the last couple of seasons.

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It is normal that having touched greatness that now questions are being asked as to why , once again, we appear to be falling away alarmingly.

Touching on a your point about "going for it" and also the "poor frontline" Spudski mentioned - I do wonder how different the last 6 weeks or so would have been if we'd had Afobe available. I know our hopes should not be pinned on one player, but there were points in the games he played that we looked so fluid and dynamic. There is a knock on effect for those around him - Palmer, Weimann, Nagy all looked better with him in the side. 

Perhaps if we "go for it" in January and get the right sort of forward to replace him then the jigsaw pieces will fall into the correct places again. I have no idea who that signing should be. 

As an aside, I am a fan of Diedhiou and I still think he has not been played for any run of games alongside the right forward partner. If he'd played alongside Djuric or Taylor for a run of games I think we would have seen more out of him. His goal return has been decent under the circumstances. Maybe even Diedhiou & Afobe would have worked well too. 

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10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I ask once again, who’s responsible ?

Major, take Golf as an example. The more you earn in prize money determines your ranking. Consequently, the higher your BCFC salary the more responsible you are on and off the pitch! If a player is on £5k a week (which is £2k more than I get per annum as a full time carer to my wife) this figure should be the benchmark of accountability. 

I appreciate that football salaries are an anomaly currently compared to our glorious days in the seventies but I would start with the players and staff who are on more than £5k per week. 

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7 minutes ago, Chris_Brown said:

Touching on a your point about "going for it" and also the "poor frontline" Spudski mentioned - I do wonder how different the last 6 weeks or so would have been if we'd had Afobe available. I know our hopes should not be pinned on one player, but there were points in the games he played that we looked so fluid and dynamic. There is a knock on effect for those around him - Palmer, Weimann, Nagy all looked better with him in the side. 

Perhaps if we "go for it" in January and get the right sort of forward to replace him then the jigsaw pieces will fall into the correct places again. I have no idea who that signing should be. 

As an aside, I am a fan of Diedhiou and I still think he has not been played for any run of games alongside the right forward partner. If he'd played alongside Djuric or Taylor for a run of games I think we would have seen more out of him. His goal return has been decent under the circumstances. Maybe even Diedhiou & Afobe would have worked well too. 

We have been unlucky with injuries it’s true but bizarrely we were doing more than Ok until those players started coming back .

It was thought, not unreasonably, that when our ‘ first choice ‘ players were available that we would kick on .

 

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

True mate....on paper. But take into consideration to the injuries we've had again this season to arguably our best three players, Kalas, DaSilva, Afobe...Then experience in midfield of Smith. Also Nagy. That's going to take it's toll.

We have been putting in performances that reflect that. Use of a rotating constant injury filled squad, that's often overplayed in certain positions and has lacked experience in certain areas.

I think what's happening now is a reflection of that.

Tired over used inexperienced players, being replaced by players that have had long term injuries and getting back up to speed. 

And a very poor frontline.

Everything adds up imo.

I think you make some really good points there, but I do still have some issues with the extenuating circumstances...

It's hard to sympathise with injuries when our performances have gotten worse with a fully fit squad.

We saw Blackburn lose their talisman, then beat us.

An injury ravaged Charlton beat us.

We've seen Massengo, Nagy, Palmer and O'Dowda regress before our eyes.

We've seen young players publicly blamed.

And the Afobe situation bothers me. He wasn't a world beater, just the type of top end Championship striker we needed two years ago.

I think the transition season argument is actually the strongest in support of LJ as it happens. And that requires patience.

 

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