JamesBCFC Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 17 hours ago, Gazred said: For me and using the Pukki 'goal' as an example, if it's reviewed in slow motion and paused as the ball is played, if it looks on/offside with the naked eye then that should be enough. If they are going to surgically analyse everything frame by frame and work things out in mm using a geometry kit then just bin it off. If VAR is staying then discussions are needed at FIFA HQ about changing the offside rule. Football is about scoring goals, denying that one in particular as they did just wasn't in the spirit of the game for me, it was a really good goal. They try and surgically analyse it, but still aren't able to actually pinpoint the precise point where the ball is played. At the true point of contact where the ball is played the image should have no blur as the ball would be stationary (as the contact is changing the balls direction), they faff about with the mm of a players fingernail, but the imprecise selection of when the ball is played would mean the outcome of those extremely tight calls are more often than not incorrect because of the way they are using VAR. In this image from Iran vs Spain the ball is blurred, so the point of play the offside should have been measure from has already passed. With players moving in opposite directions a tenth of a second can be a the best part of a foot in difference from the image there, possibly more so if it was 2 players at full sprint (unlikely here with this being from a set piece). So we have technology and not only is it implemented badly from the fact they are measuring to minutiae, they are also measuring to those minutiae incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 "Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust." He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February. "If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said. He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee. "In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand." https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50944416 At present the EPL's referees are diverging from the intent. These referees are the PGMOL. Professional game match Limited. They have it wrong, not only do they have it wrong their spokesmen have gone on sky etc and misled others e.g. The Puki goal would not be offside according to the IFAB but on TV the PGMOL asserted it was. This was always going to happen with VAR. Footballs laws due to the nature of the game frequently must to be subjective. Football cannot be perfect, and VAR is an industry, there is money to be made .. It not for the wider benefit of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said: They try and surgically analyse it, but still aren't able to actually pinpoint the precise point where the ball is played. At the true point of contact where the ball is played the image should have no blur as the ball would be stationary (as the contact is changing the balls direction), they faff about with the mm of a players fingernail, but the imprecise selection of when the ball is played would mean the outcome of those extremely tight calls are more often than not incorrect because of the way they are using VAR. In this image from Iran vs Spain the ball is blurred, so the point of play the offside should have been measure from has already passed. With players moving in opposite directions a tenth of a second can be a the best part of a foot in difference from the image there, possibly more so if it was 2 players at full sprint (unlikely here with this being from a set piece). So we have technology and not only is it implemented badly from the fact they are measuring to minutiae, they are also measuring to those minutiae incorrectly. It's a good point. If they want to continue to use it as they are then perhaps they should use super slo motion cameras that capture many more frames per second rather than relying on the tv broadcast pictures for reviews. Is the answer really more tech or amendment of the rules to fit the current tech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 How about completely reversing it.......so as to give the attacker the advantage? The whole of the attackers body, including toes and finger "Pheckin" nails has to be over the line for it to be offside? So if his right foot is behind the line, he is onside. More goals, More Excitement...........and less ludicrous decisions to delay and frustrate paying customers, who have had to put up with complete and utter bollocks since FARCE was introduced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Can you imagine the Aguero title winning goal being ruled out by VAR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNasty Filth Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 06/01/2020 at 15:09, Highguy said: just like the whole ball has to cross the line so if even 1mm of your body you score with is offside then by letter of the laws of football your offside We are still getting use to the var its not going be perfect straight away and everyone always going have an opinion on it regardless if we use var Think back to the world cup when we played the germans and lampard shot crosses the line but wasnt given now we have goal line tech that noone moans about but things can take time to get right If we can get it right like the rugby and cricket do then it could help improve the gane and stop teams getting robbed and managers getting sacked rome wasnt built in a day Probably the most measured and logical post I've read in a while. Why don't people stop moaning so much and just get on with it knowing the technology is in its infancy and ain't gonna be perfect straight out the box. As we get version 2.0 etc things will improve and nuances ironed out. Football fans seem to have extremely short memories on how bad some of the decisions were in the past. Would you rather go onto a possible world cup semi/final or be knocked out by a blatant hand ball from a cheating c***? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Super said: Can you imagine the Aguero title winning goal being ruled out by VAR! Can you imagine Korey Smith`s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Does anybody think it fair that so many goals are now being wiped off because of the slightest hint of offside? no Or is this new standard actually correct? reading post 62 it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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