Highguy Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Allwaysred said: You didn't go to Charlton boxing day then or the f.a cup game against Shrewsbury. Open your eye's FFS. I kinda understand where your coming from the goals we conceded at charlton was like they didnt have faith in him and shrewsbury same we scored and some players just clapped and walked back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, CyderInACan said: Atmosphere in the dressing room? Sounds like a splendid idea. Reckon perhaps this is more the current vibe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Do they have a singing section ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Wouldn't recommend it, Atmosphere was quite a scary board game, would put the fear of God into Massengo and Brownhill when faced with the decaying face of the Gatekeeper, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I have seen teams here that have stopped playing for the manager, this doesn't look like one. The performances have been poor, but I haven't seen a lack of effort, arguments on the pitch or other tell tale signs. Tell tale signs, like ballooning a penalty 4 miles over the bar against Burton in an attempt to get the manager sacked? No one can tell me otherwise on that. No one can miss a penalty that badly. I agree though, haven’t seen any lack of effort just a lack of ideas from players and manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: Tell tale signs, like ballooning a penalty 4 miles over the bar against Burton in an attempt to get the manager sacked? No one can tell me otherwise on that. No one can miss a penalty that badly. I agree though, haven’t seen any lack of effort just a lack of ideas from players and manager Having hit the bar from 30 yards in the first minute. You certainly got the unexpected from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Allwaysred said: You didn't go to Charlton boxing day then or the f.a cup game against Shrewsbury. Open your eye's FFS. Think it's you that needs to open your eyes. There is certainly not a lack of effort or will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Roper Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, reddogkev said: Wouldn't recommend it, Atmosphere was quite a scary board game, would put the fear of God into Massengo and Brownhill when faced with the decaying face of the Gatekeeper, that's for sure. Oh ye remember that game ,played it a lot when the kids were little , was scary . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 hours ago, Up The City! said: Think it's you that needs to open your eyes. There is certainly not a lack of effort or will. Are you joking?? So the collapse at Charlton and AV argument with Kalas when 3rd went in at LJ total blank of all at the end, Ashely Williams rash tackles v Brentford is all tale tell signs from an international all is not rosey as he went straight down tunnel. KP dropped on several occasions even though he was the missing link to unlock defences, and more importantly the 2nd half performance v Shrewsbury with no reaction what so ever..... you only have to look at Scott Murray to see it's not a happy camp but you obviously have the same DND JOHNSON is looking for... Wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: Are you joking?? So the collapse at Charlton and AV argument with Kalas when 3rd went in at LJ total blank of all at the end, Ashely Williams rash tackles v Brentford is all tale tell signs from an international all is not rosey as he went straight down tunnel. KP dropped on several occasions even though he was the missing link to unlock defences, and more importantly the 2nd half performance v Shrewsbury with no reaction what so ever..... you only have to look at Scott Murray to see it's not a happy camp but you obviously have the same DND JOHNSON is looking for... Wake up. I went to both the games you mention. Not sure I saw an unwillingness to try, plenty of fear on the ball, some bad defensive mistakes but I don’t think this was not trying, just bad play and lack of confidence, some tactical mistakes too. I don’t know what’s going on in the dressing room of course, wouldn’t pretend to, think JD comment would be mirrored at lots of clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Out of his pie crust said: I went to both the games you mention. Not sure I saw an unwillingness to try, plenty of fear on the ball, some bad defensive mistakes but I don’t think this was not trying, just bad play and lack of confidence, some tactical mistakes too. I don’t know what’s going on in the dressing room of course, wouldn’t pretend to, think JD comment would be mirrored at lots of clubs And everything you just mentioned has been going on season after season with different players same mistakes same lack of confidence and tactical mistakes. This all comes from LJ and I feel through time certain players with strong personalities who don't agree with his ethos start to challenge it and either get dropped completely or are not Performing to their full capacity which is exactly what your seeing now... as others have mentioned it's gone stale and a new vision and focus needs to happen but we certainly won't get it from LJ & Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: Are you joking?? So the collapse at Charlton and AV argument with Kalas when 3rd went in at LJ total blank of all at the end, Ashely Williams rash tackles v Brentford is all tale tell signs from an international all is not rosey as he went straight down tunnel. KP dropped on several occasions even though he was the missing link to unlock defences, and more importantly the 2nd half performance v Shrewsbury with no reaction what so ever..... you only have to look at Scott Murray to see it's not a happy camp but you obviously have the same DND JOHNSON is looking for... Wake up. Experienced international but also an aging one. More susceptible to pace, you could see if watching his straight red that whether he's got the pace to play in a highish line anymore...is questionable. He was scrambling back and it was mistimed badly- last man, straight red. Think there are useful examples but his diminishing pace and agility here might have something to do with him cleaning out Watkins. Watch back from 1:49 on the City highlights, so slow over the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 08/01/2020 at 15:22, Seneca the Younger said: This is a complete nothing story. No further comment needed. Forty comments later...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Allwaysred said: And everything you just mentioned has been going on season after season with different players same mistakes same lack of confidence and tactical mistakes. This all comes from LJ and I feel through time certain players with strong personalities who don't agree with his ethos start to challenge it and either get dropped completely or are not Performing to their full capacity which is exactly what your seeing now... as others have mentioned it's gone stale and a new vision and focus needs to happen but we certainly won't get it from LJ & Co. Fair points, there have been some reasonably decent parts as well though in balance. Certainly feel like there’s now a lack of spark, whether a new manager will change that don’t know, personally would give him to end of season... 7th or better stay , below that I’d seriously consider a change. But got eyes open that change might not necessarily mean playoffs/promotion/better football. Things might get worse before they get better. That said, as I bore the kids with, in a long period supporting a team, these periods where things are going bad make the good times feel better imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Experienced international but also an aging one. More susceptible to pace, you could see if watching his straight red that whether he's got the pace to play in a highish line anymore...is questionable. He was scrambling back and it was mistimed badly- last man, straight red. Think there are useful examples but his diminishing pace and agility here might have something to do with him cleaning out Watkins. Watch back from 1:49 on the City highlights, so slow over the ground. LJ brought Williams in at 36 knowing he hadn't played much football for months so always a risk but would you have him in week in week out as 1st choice especially against Brentford knowing there flowing fast pace?? Accident waiting to happen so from my view he should be used as a back up not a starter so another area and decision that is questionable by LJ and Co. Apart from Bentley, Kalas, Jay we have recruited poorly and still lacking pivotal key area's 2/3 years on which simply isn't good enough we're a bang average team with no leader on it or off it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: LJ brought Williams in at 36 knowing he hadn't played much football for months so always a risk but would you have him in week in week out as 1st choice especially against Brentford knowing there flowing fast pace?? Accident waiting to happen so from my view he should be used as a back up not a starter so another area and decision that is questionable by LJ Thank you...my feelings exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: LJ brought Williams in at 36 knowing he hadn't played much football for months so always a risk but would you have him in week in week out as 1st choice especially against Brentford knowing there flowing fast pace?? Accident waiting to happen so from my view he should be used as a back up not a starter so another area and decision that is questionable by LJ and Co. Apart from Bentley, Kalas, Jay we have recruited poorly and still lacking pivotal key area's 2/3 years on which simply isn't good enough we're a bang average team with no leader on it or off it... At the time of Williams joining City there was a CB crisis and he happened to be OOC.........What else could LJ do?.............. Obviously AW at 36 doesn’t have the pace he might have had but he is vastly experienced having played the majority of his career in the PL and of course internationals. The guy is a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Allwaysred said: LJ brought Williams in at 36 knowing he hadn't played much football for months so always a risk but would you have him in week in week out as 1st choice especially against Brentford knowing there flowing fast pace?? Accident waiting to happen so from my view he should be used as a back up not a starter so another area and decision that is questionable by LJ and Co. Apart from Bentley, Kalas, Jay we have recruited poorly and still lacking pivotal key area's 2/3 years on which simply isn't good enough we're a bang average team with no leader on it or off it... Part of the problem for me is (as an outsider looking in) is lack of clarity / principles in selection. That comes into both system selection and player selection. There appears to be inconsistency in selection based on performance (good and bad). Some players dropped for 1 bad / ineffective game, others keep playing irrespective. Sometimes you wonder if the system change is to facilitate dropping or retaining a player rather than having to make a tough or unpopular decision by playing a system. I accept it’s always gonna be subjective, and we won’t always agree with the head-coach (or each other), but I do think he lacks courage in his convictions. He’s always gonna have someone he trusts more in a split decision, that’s fair enough. As a result, the frequency and volume of changes must make it very difficult for him to evaluate whether any change was truly successful or not, because it’s never given enough time to evaluate properly. I wrote 18 months ago about placebo affect, but in hindsight I think it’s more a case of not knowing what works and what doesn’t because the baby is thrown out with the bath water too quickly. Has he noticed that Hunt’s performances look better with Watkins in front of him (for example)? Would Watkins be a catalyst for Pereira to be more settled? I dunno, because he’s decided to play Watkins up top. Some players being called world-beaters one game, dropped the next. No wonder some players look devoid of confidence. He needs to tone things down a bit, his comments are boom and bust, like our runs. For me this is the area he needs to improve the greatest. Players will accept (to an extent) being out of the side if they know why or see someone playing better in their position. If the team is winning, you have to grin and bear it. If it’s losing, then you need there to be a carrot, e.g. you’ll get a chance because the team isn’t functioning, or there will be rotation to keep players fresh for the benefit of the team overall. When teams are losing, managers often go back to basics, lets make ourselves tough to beat, grind out a 0-0. We rarely do that. It’s usually about how can we outsmart the opposition with something clever, which has never been tried before. This sounds like an LJ bashing - it’s not per se. It’s a reflection that in reality when results were going well, his team selections and system changes were glossed over. I remember thinking several starting 532s being changed to 442s mid-game with little evidence of why or impact, and vice-versa 442 to 532. I don’t care what you say, the likes of Taylor Moore (although delighted to be getting the minutes he has) will be right cheesed off being subbed after 45 minutes, ditto the likes of Eliasson coming on at h-t to change things. Why not give him the start in that case. I do think that if you look at the players recruited in the summer, we’ve seen some performances that make you think this squad is better than we’ve had, but those same players now off-form, making you question recruitment. That to me boils back down to inconsistency in areas I’ve written above. The season is on a bit of a knife edge. It’s recoverable, but that needs identification and acceptance of the problems. Failure to do so, will ultimately cost his job. If he can react the right way, he has a squad that deliver. I hope he does....but I’m waiting to be convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippycar Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Allwaysred said: LJ brought Williams in at 36 knowing he hadn't played much football for months so always a risk but would you have him in week in week out as 1st choice especially against Brentford knowing there flowing fast pace?? Accident waiting to happen so from my view he should be used as a back up not a starter so another area and decision that is questionable by LJ and Co. Apart from Bentley, Kalas, Jay we have recruited poorly and still lacking pivotal key area's 2/3 years on which simply isn't good enough we're a bang average team with no leader on it or off it... I’m of an era when I saw the likes of Norman Hunter and Jo Jordan on their way down from what is now the Premier League. Off the pace (if they ever had it!!) but with intelligence and experience way above and beyond their Championship piers and rivals. Sadly something that we will never see again, as the Premiership “gods” have no need to play out their careers in the lower leagues, just to make a living. So back to the topic, Williams was probably a good punt in today's market, but as you rightly question, should he be a first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Allwaysred said: LJ brought Williams in at 36 knowing he hadn't played much football for months so always a risk but would you have him in week in week out as 1st choice especially against Brentford knowing there flowing fast pace?? Accident waiting to happen so from my view he should be used as a back up not a starter so another area and decision that is questionable by LJ and Co. Apart from Bentley, Kalas, Jay we have recruited poorly and still lacking pivotal key area's 2/3 years on which simply isn't good enough we're a bang average team with no leader on it or off it... He’s first choice because at the time he deserved to be no amount of you rewriting the season will change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 7 hours ago, zippycar said: I’m of an era when I saw the likes of Norman Hunter and Jo Jordan on their way down from what is now the Premier League. Off the pace (if they ever had it!!) but with intelligence and experience way above and beyond their Championship piers and rivals. Sadly something that we will never see again, as the Premiership “gods” have no need to play out their careers in the lower leagues, just to make a living. So back to the topic, Williams was probably a good punt in today's market, but as you rightly question, should he be a first choice? Norman Hunter didn't play for us in the 2nd Division nor did Joe Jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: He’s first choice because at the time he deserved to be no amount of you rewriting the season will change that Spot on. I think some people are like goldfish and evaluate players based on their last game only, forgetting all previous performances. Until Sheff Wed, where I thought he looked a bit “leggy”, he’s been really, really good. He hasn’t become a bad player overnight. Perhaps he has a niggle, perhaps not having a proper pre-season is catching up on him, and his “battery” isn’t charging sufficiently after each game? Who knows. Would I think about leaving him out tomorrow? Yes. Would I have hesitations about picking him again in future? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 What CB options are there currently? Moore, Williams, Kalas, Baker. The later two are out injured I believe...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Spot on. I think some people are like goldfish and evaluate players based on their last game only, forgetting all previous performances. Until Sheff Wed, where I thought he looked a bit “leggy”, he’s been really, really good. He hasn’t become a bad player overnight. Perhaps he has a niggle, perhaps not having a proper pre-season is catching up on him, and his “battery” isn’t charging sufficiently after each game? Who knows. Would I think about leaving him out tomorrow? Yes. Would I have hesitations about picking him again in future? No You don’t need to think about leaving him out, he still has 2 matches left on his ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Monkeh said: You don’t need to think about leaving him out, he still has 2 matches left on his ban Of course............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 10, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Monkeh said: You don’t need to think about leaving him out, he still has 2 matches left on his ban From his one match ban @Monkeh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, phantom said: From his one match ban @Monkeh? It was a straight red wasn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Always assumed straight red=3 game ban, but does it depend on the reason for/category of red card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Always assumed straight red=3 game ban, but does it depend on the reason for/category of red card? Straight red automatic 3 game ban 2 yellows 1 game ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinéadB Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions Ashley Williams isn't on the list here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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