Coxy27 Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 I don't believe the prices... I paid £37 for Sheffield Wednesday I'm sure of it. I can't be the only one? I think it might even have been £40+ one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 Why does football and it's supporters think itself different to any other form of live entertainment? £30-£40 would see you only get a cheap adult theatre seat in the West End, Opera you'd be in the Gods, Racing you'd see a day's Class 4/6 fare at Plumpton but not a prime fixture at Cheltenham or Ascot, Aussies at Lords this summer is circa £150, British Grand Prix wouldn't get you in the car park. As for gigs, that dum will get you seeing some has-been or sight of a screen at the back of most modern stadia should a decent band be in town, but you might as well listen on Spotify and look at a picture of your fav outfit you'll be do far dustant. £20 , seriously, what live event other than BDO darts do you expect to see for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: £20 , seriously, what live event other than BDO darts do you expect to see for that? Football. That's what we're all here for. Silly question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 As a student not living close to Bristol while studying, I find it ridiculous having to pay more than £30 to attend a match in the holidays. Considering I used to pay £55 for a season ticket in the years before I became a student! Not really a great pricing structure for attracting young adults to attend matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, David Brent said: We, generally, haven’t spent more than the price of a ticket already just by getting to Ashton Gate. Unless everyone subsidises away tickets to a uniform rate, I couldn't care less how much an away fan has paid to get to AG. As @Riaz says though if every club did it then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, marcofisher said: As a student not living close to Bristol while studying, I find it ridiculous having to pay more than £30 to attend a match in the holidays. Considering I used to pay £55 for a season ticket in the years before I became a student! Not really a great pricing structure for attracting young adults to attend matches. To be fair, many young adults in employment have a lot more disposable income than an older person with a family to support, but I agree that over £30 to watch second division football is ridiculous. Mind you its £25 to sit watching the gash !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: Why does football and it's supporters think itself different to any other form of live entertainment? £30-£40 would see you only get a cheap adult theatre seat in the West End, Opera you'd be in the Gods, Racing you'd see a day's Class 4/6 fare at Plumpton but not a prime fixture at Cheltenham or Ascot, Aussies at Lords this summer is circa £150, British Grand Prix wouldn't get you in the car park. As for gigs, that dum will get you seeing some has-been or sight of a screen at the back of most modern stadia should a decent band be in town, but you might as well listen on Spotify and look at a picture of your fav outfit you'll be do far dustant. £20 , seriously, what live event other than BDO darts do you expect to see for that? £20 seems okay...depends where though. Pretty sure Bundesliga tickets are, or maybe it's were/have been famously affordable. Seen some other individual cases of ticket prices in Europe that highlight the UK as notably pricy for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, Natchfever said: Unless everyone subsidises away tickets to a uniform rate, I couldn't care less how much an away fan has paid to get to AG. As @Riaz says though if every club did it then fair enough. That’s pretty selfish. That’s why away fans want every club to subsidise away tickets. I thought that was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, David Brent said: That’s pretty selfish. That’s why away fans want every club to subsidise away tickets. I thought that was obvious. I don't think BCFC would consider it selfish if the majority of clubs didn't want to subsidise and they followed suit. What away fans want and what they get is likely to be rather different I think that's pretty obvious too. Home fans think they pay too much in the main and clubs aren't listening to their own customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Natchfever said: Im not sure why a club should subsidise away fans over its own to be fair. A club should be obliged to charge exactly the same price to an away fan as a home supporter in a similar part of the stadium. Very, very short sighted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semblar Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 Perhaps the fairest way to get things improved for away fans would be for the league to mandate that the clubs had to agree in advance of the season that the fee changed for away supporters had to be the same in both league fixtures? That way there would be pressure from a club's home fans, knowing that a high price for "somebody else" would also result in a high price for some of their own. There probably isn't a perfect solution here. Certainly not compared to the PL where the ticket receipts are a far smaller part of their income - for us and the other championship clubs it still matters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, frenchred said: Very, very short sighted Why? I'm thinking of city here and we take about 1000 away regularly (happy to stand corrected) Lots of big teams in this league bringing 2,000 plus to AG. Do you really think that our following away would increase to the extent that the club would be happy to forego maybe 25 - 30k whenever Leeds Wednesday Cardiff Swansea Forest Derby etc come? Happy if it was rolled out across the league but not in isolation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 I don't think many home fans would object to "subsidising" away fans - we go for the atmosphere which is so much better with a full away end. If football is there to be a spectacle rather than a sport you watch on TV, pricing to encourage an atmosphere in the Championship should be encouraged imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said: I don't think many home fans would object to "subsidising" away fans - we go for the atmosphere which is so much better with a full away end. If football is there to be a spectacle rather than a sport you watch on TV, pricing to encourage an atmosphere in the Championship should be encouraged imo I honestly don't think you speak for the majority of home fans being happy to subsidise Leeds Swansea Cardiff etc etc who would fill or nearly fill their allocations anyway. Packed Atyeo drowns out the home support in my experience which isn't the sort of atmosphere I seek tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Natchfever said: I honestly don't think you speak for the majority of home fans being happy to subsidise Leeds Swansea Cardiff etc etc who would fill or nearly fill their allocations anyway. Packed Atyeo drowns out the home support in my experience which isn't the sort of atmosphere I seek tbh. What atmosphere do you seek when you travel away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 I assume this just reflects value. No one really enjoys going to West Brom so it has to be cheep whereas away fans have a great time at Ashton gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Natchfever said: You mean Bristol is affluent ? Apologies if I misunderstood. did you mean as in generally being wealthy? if so, I didn't mean that. what I meant was when you go to Cardiff for example,and brum and west brom,you have a different experience getting into the ground because of police. any where up north is pretty grim, London is a nightmare for traffic/parking etc,at least at ag,you can drive into the trading estate,cross the road and you are done and know your car will be there when you come out. well worth a few extra quid just for the above id have thought ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, David Brent said: What atmosphere do you seek when you travel away? The sort I inevitably find and makes no difference what price I pay. To repeat, if adopted across the board then great but expecting City to do it along with a couple of others definitely no. City and other clubs will look at it financially not some romantic notion of atmosphere. If they were bothered about that we wouldn't sit in sterile AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: did you mean as in generally being wealthy? if so, I didn't mean that. what I meant was when you go to Cardiff for example,and brum and west brom,you have a different experience getting into the ground because of police. any where up north is pretty grim, London is a nightmare for traffic/parking etc,at least at ag,you can drive into the trading estate,cross the road and you are done and know your car will be there when you come out. well worth a few extra quid just for the above id have thought ? Bristol by no means a cakewalk for away fans but must be a good away day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: did you mean as in generally being wealthy? if so, I didn't mean that. what I meant was when you go to Cardiff for example,and brum and west brom,you have a different experience getting into the ground because of police. any where up north is pretty grim, London is a nightmare for traffic/parking etc,at least at ag,you can drive into the trading estate,cross the road and you are done and know your car will be there when you come out. well worth a few extra quid just for the above id have thought ? Most games I have attended up north have been a fantastic experience both in the ground and wherever we have stayed. London is always a great day out and with the transport links they have a walk in the park! So I really don't get your argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 its not really an argument,i just don't think those average prices are bad for what you get and the experience. my up north comment was tongue in cheek and the furthest ive been is Nottingham so maybe shouldn't have commented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: £20 seems okay...depends where though. Pretty sure Bundesliga tickets are, or maybe it's were/have been famously affordable. Seen some other individual cases of ticket prices in Europe that highlight the UK as notably pricy for it. Hence why, Bayern aside, they always moan they can't compete with British clubs in Europe. It's also why if you go to places like Herts where there's loads of capacity it's easy to buy a cheap ticket and relocate to the expensive seats as few seem to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Hence why, Bayern aside, they always moan they can't compete with British clubs in Europe. It's also why if you go to places like Herts where there's loads of capacity it's easy to buy a cheap ticket and relocate to the expensive seats as few seem to check. Record has been variable down the years but definitely struggled vs English clubs in Europe in recent times, say last 10 years. Still English football is in many ways overpriced IMO. Maybe aimed more at POTD. Yet I'm not especially critical of our pricing structure...a) By Championship standards it's alright I reckon abd b) If you don't charge those higher prices, you will struggle to compete as lack of income...high prices are product of a fairly expensive sport. One very important factor I almost forgot...standing/safe standing. Standing prices are always, always cheaper than seats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 14 hours ago, BTRFTG said: Why does football and it's supporters think itself different to any other form of live entertainment? £30-£40 would see you only get a cheap adult theatre seat in the West End, Opera you'd be in the Gods, Racing you'd see a day's Class 4/6 fare at Plumpton but not a prime fixture at Cheltenham or Ascot, Aussies at Lords this summer is circa £150, British Grand Prix wouldn't get you in the car park. As for gigs, that dum will get you seeing some has-been or sight of a screen at the back of most modern stadia should a decent band be in town, but you might as well listen on Spotify and look at a picture of your fav outfit you'll be do far dustant. £20 , seriously, what live event other than BDO darts do you expect to see for that? Whilst I understand what you are saying most venues won’t have a capacity of 27000 like we do, or have the need to accommodate home and away fans etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 19 hours ago, BTRFTG said: Why does football and it's supporters think itself different to any other form of live entertainment? £30-£40 would see you only get a cheap adult theatre seat in the West End, Opera you'd be in the Gods, Racing you'd see a day's Class 4/6 fare at Plumpton but not a prime fixture at Cheltenham or Ascot, Aussies at Lords this summer is circa £150, British Grand Prix wouldn't get you in the car park. As for gigs, that dum will get you seeing some has-been or sight of a screen at the back of most modern stadia should a decent band be in town, but you might as well listen on Spotify and look at a picture of your fav outfit you'll be do far dustant. £20 , seriously, what live event other than BDO darts do you expect to see for that? West End theatres you pay for the quality of the view/sound. As an away fan you don't get a choice - You are in the away end. Also you don't go and watch Wicked twice a week for 9 months a year (well you might... I guess). And new shows don't come around that often, the lion king has been running the exact same show at the exact same west end theatre since 1997 (insert jokes about our games being the same dull spectacle every week here) . Cheltenham Gold Cup tickets start at around £60. It's one of the biggest races of the season. If you want a like for like comparison you should compare it to cup final tickets which are ridiculously priced. It's also an entire day out and a once a year occasion. I went to 2 days of the Ashes at Old Trafford - I paid £55 a day for where I was sat, it was expensive (not the most expensive seats in the ground), but I was in the ground from 10:30am until 6pm each day. You could play 4 games of football in that time with half time and added breaks. Also - I realise the world cup took up much of the summer... But that was Englands only home full test series that year. British Grand Prix is very expensive. Too expensive - But it's a once a year event. not twice a week for 9 months. The biggest bands in the world tend to only play a handful of shows in each country before moving on. They then might not be back for several years. Decades in some cases. Truth is it's all too expensive nowadays. But the examples you give are very different situations to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, cider-manc said: Truth is it's all too expensive nowadays. But the examples you give are very different situations to football. When comparing one should also consider how many of those alternate venues/ events ship upward of £36m a year, subsidised or otherwise? To put in in perspective, each seat occupied (adult, child and concession) during our home fixtures last season COST the club £74 had we sought to break even. Fact is fans clamour for owners to spend ridiculous sums on acquiring the services of rank average players and then bemoan when they're required to contribute a minor proportion of that cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: When comparing one should also consider how many of those alternate venues/ events ship upward of £36m a year, subsidised or otherwise? To put in in perspective, each seat occupied (adult, child and concession) during our home fixtures last season COST the club £74 had we sought to break even. Fact is fans clamour for owners to spend ridiculous sums on acquiring the services of rank average players and then bemoan when they're required to contribute a minor proportion of that cost. My issue isnt ticket costs. More a common sense approach, that you charge Home fans more than away fans. Away fans often have to fork out alot more. When you consider, away fans take up less than 10% of the overall crowd - the clubs would not lose much, if at all, if more fans end up going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Riaz said: More a common sense approach, that you charge Home fans more than away fans. With central London now effectively shut to traffic and with the best part of a 300m round journey to get to AG do I get an 'Away' discount on my ST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 10, 2020 Author Admin Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: With central London now effectively shut to traffic and with the best part of a 300m round journey to get to AG do I get an 'Away' discount on my ST? No, but you can apply for food vouchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Riaz said: My issue isnt ticket costs. More a common sense approach, that you charge Home fans more than away fans. Away fans often have to fork out alot more. When you consider, away fans take up less than 10% of the overall crowd - the clubs would not lose much, if at all, if more fans end up going. Perhaps the onus should be placed upon the club "owning" the fans ? Subsidise coach travel for anyone buying an away ticket. Some clubs do it already I believe. If peole want to go away in a privately hired minibus thats their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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