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Liam Walsh (Merged)

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Bit of a discussion between Graham C and myself over Walsh' contract. That hopefully people on here can clear up.

When he signed from Everton, it was for 2.5 years I believe. They doesn't seem to be an option year pit in by the club.

Now Gregor and Coventry are reporting that his loan has been extended to the summer. If that's the case, he'll be out of contract? With no apparent new one on offer.

All a bit strange by City, who normally like to cover all their bases.

I'm guessing that it has to be one of three options. Either we exercise an optional year that no-one knows about. He signs a new contract before heading back to Coventry for the 2nd half of the season. Or we sell him for a nominal fee somewhere?

I'm sure LJ does rate him, just needed some experience in L1. His free kick at QPR is almost goal of the season(possibly Josh's at Cardiff, might shade it).

Anyone have any knowledge about him?

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I think it’s safe to assume we have an option. We paid a not nominal fee, I don’t think we would have without an option. 

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He's only 22 so as long as he is offered a contract (which inevitably he will be) the Club are protected and guaranteed compensation for any move whilst he is under 24.  The same applies to Bakinson who looks much further away than Liam Walsh from reaching the first team squad. It was an undisclosed fee to Everton but the figure cited in newspaper reports before signing was £1m.

 

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34 minutes ago, bcfcnick said:

He's only 22 so as long as he is offered a contract (which inevitably he will be) the Club are protected and guaranteed compensation for any move whilst he is under 24.  The same applies to Bakinson who looks much further away than Liam Walsh from reaching the first team squad. It was an undisclosed fee to Everton but the figure cited in newspaper reports before signing was £1m.

 

Bakinson signed a new 3 year( plus option) deal in May 2019.

Before we send out people on loan that are coming to the end of their contracts. We normally give them a new one. Moore/Hinds/Smith etc.

Doesn't seem to have happened in Walsh's case; and his contract situation hasn't been mentioned by LJ.

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Walsh said earlier this week that he wants to extend his stay at City and I, for one, think he’s a real talent and that we will regret him leaving with no return on investment. 

The lad’s learning his trade, been brought through at a top club and he will develop into a decent player.

Cotterill’s City side was full of players of similar profile (JET, Ayling, Freeman etc) and if you look at Wilder’s Sheff Utd, these players all fit a similar profile - brought through at PL academies, don’t make the grade, get released with hunger to prove themselves and eventually make it. 

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Decent player but has never fitted into any line up we've tried. 

Add to the list of odd signings that never broke through 

A mate of mine who watches Cov is delighted, says he'll take them up in the top two 

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2 hours ago, phantom said:

Decent player but has never fitted into any line up we've tried. 

Add to the list of odd signings that never broke through 

A mate of mine who watches Cov is delighted, says he'll take them up in the top two 

 

13 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

No surprise that Lee fails to bring the best from a young,,talented player.

It's what he does.

Or, like Moore, will come back from his loan spell a better player, more motivated and push for the first team. 

Easy to slag off when things aren’t going well but nothing odd about this one. Promising young player who wasn’t ready for this level and needed regular football. Will be our gain when he comes back. 

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1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Nope definitely when. It’s a loan deal that will end and see him return here. 

He is out of contract end of the season.

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11 hours ago, tin said:

Walsh said earlier this week that he wants to extend his stay at City and I, for one, think he’s a real talent and that we will regret him leaving with no return on investment. 

The lad’s learning his trade, been brought through at a top club and he will develop into a decent player.

Cotterill’s City side was full of players of similar profile (JET, Ayling, Freeman etc) and if you look at Wilder’s Sheff Utd, these players all fit a similar profile - brought through at PL academies, don’t make the grade, get released with hunger to prove themselves and eventually make it. 

Yeah, Coventry City.

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3 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

something wrong when players like walsh . moore and Morrell have to go somewhere else to becone better players. cant we develop them. does not make sense to me.

Lower level to be fair. 

Having said that, we don't have the best of records in nurturing bought in talent. 

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45 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

something wrong when players like walsh . moore and Morrell have to go somewhere else to becone better players. cant we develop them. does not make sense to me.

Not that difficult to understand that playing week in week out in a competitive men’s league is more beneficial for some players than just training week in week out is it? It’s part of player development

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24 minutes ago, KBbcfc said:

Not that difficult to understand that playing week in week out in a competitive men’s league is more beneficial for some players than just training week in week out is it? It’s part of player development

Playing U23's or Reserve Team football is just not competitive enough these days. To get match day experience it is better to go out on loan. It benefited Bobby Reid and Joe Bryan. Like all younger players some take to it and improve their level and some sadly don't.

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Let's hope City are factoring in Walsh's return whey they consider any other purchases.

That Stoke performance was something special and I'd like to think Walsh has been assured he has a future at AG.

Looks like he's doing well for Coventry and should be a genuine challenger for a regular first team place when his loan is up.

With the current state of our midfield and lack of creativity I'd have him back now.

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Amazed at some of the posts on this thread!

Walsh’s loan is going exactly as we’d have hoped for. He’s developing into a top league one player, who’s next step will be returning here and fighting for a championship first team place. 
 

It’s ideal! 

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24 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Amazed at some of the posts on this thread!

Walsh’s loan is going exactly as we’d have hoped for. He’s developing into a top league one player, who’s next step will be returning here and fighting for a championship first team place. 
 

It’s ideal! 

He's out of contract in the summer 

He won't be coming back 

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2 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

something wrong when players like walsh . moore and Morrell have to go somewhere else to becone better players. cant we develop them. does not make sense to me.

So, do you want to call into question why Chelsea sent us Tammy? He came here to develop in a lower league and is now a starter for a team in the top 4 of the prem. 

Maybe there’s something wrong with Chelsea too? And all those other teams who loan their youngsters out? 

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25 minutes ago, phantom said:

He's out of contract in the summer 

He won't be coming back 

I'd be surprised if we didn't have a years option like we do with most contracts.

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

He's out of contract in the summer 

He won't be coming back 

As per my  first couple of posts on this thread.

My point was not whether Walsh was good enough or not.

It was whether he was out of contract at he end of his loan period at Coventry(if he goes back there).

It just seemed poor financial management on our part to let him walk away for nothing; if that is in fact the case.

I kept waiting for Gregor to ask LJ about his contract situation; but it seems to be a question that's never been asked.

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No 1 year option has ever been mentioned, so we can assume he’s OOC this summer.

City’s options:

1. Offer him a new deal, which leads to other options:

  • he signs it, we move on
  • he doesn’t sign it, he becomes available in the summer for either development compensation agreed by a tribunal or an agreement between us and buying club

2. Don’t offer him a deal, Walsh is free to go wherever he likes in the summer (no development compensation)

I’ll happily admit Walsh is my blind spot...I just can’t see him being a regular here at City.  He might prove me wrong.  Fair play to him if he does - i’m sure he isn’t worried about my view!!

In Coventry’s situation, they may be hoping he doesn’t sign a deal, who knows they might be encouraging him not to.

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17 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

None of us can be certain of that..

Yes we can.

The thread of replies I was responding to was about Liam Walsh saying he wanted to extend his time at City.

Earlier this week Liam Walsh said

"Bristol City are a great club and have a great manager and that’s where I want to end up playing at the end, so I hope he sees my performances and gets me in”

Unless there is a hidden coded message there that means he doesn't want to stay with us, then it's pretty clear what has been said.

There's 2 real interpretations that can be made.

1. He is hoping to be recalled and play a part in the remainder of this season.

2. He knows a bit more than the rest of us about his situation and feels he will have the chance next season/preseason to break into the team.

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From what I’ve seen of Nagy at the minute I think we could have saved ourselves the fee and wages by giving Walsh or Morrell the opportunity. Nagy is still relatively young as well though and hopefully he proves me wrong when he’s fully fit. 

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He should've been out on loan last season to be fair.

It seems crazy to buy someone like Walsh, give him a 2 and a half year contract, and for that contract to have run out by the time he's "ready" for our first team.  I'm not sure that's a sustainable model at all.

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19 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Yes we can.

The thread of replies I was responding to was about Liam Walsh saying he wanted to extend his time at City.

Earlier this week Liam Walsh said

"Bristol City are a great club and have a great manager and that’s where I want to end up playing at the end, so I hope he sees my performances and gets me in”

Unless there is a hidden coded message there that means he doesn't want to stay with us, then it's pretty clear what has been said.

There's 2 real interpretations that can be made.

1. He is hoping to be recalled and play a part in the remainder of this season.

2. He knows a bit more than the rest of us about his situation and feels he will have the chance next season/preseason to break into the team.

What’s he meant to say?

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What’s he meant to say?

I've seen players say... 
"my contracts up at the end of the season, I need to perform and see where that takes me" sort of thing.
He didn't need to say he wants to play here, but it did sound like that's what he hoped for. I agree that a lot of what players say in interviews is just lip service, but I hope this isn't , I think there is a very good player in there.

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30 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What’s he meant to say?

He could have ended at his comment about just focusing on his time at Coventry or just said something along the lines of "we'll see what happens when my loan ends".

@1960maaan beat me to responding.

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Always been confident Walsh will make it with us at this level. Been a fantastic loan for him. Now playing in a 2, something LJ said he can't do. He needs to do that to be able to break into our side.

With Brownhill maybe going, Korey maybe going, there may be places for him and Morrell next season.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Always been confident Walsh will make it with us at this level. Been a fantastic loan for him. Now playing in a 2, something LJ said he can't do. He needs to do that to be able to break into our side.

With Brownhill maybe going, Korey maybe going, there may be places for him and Morrell next season.

If so that's a bit awkward for LJ.

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Walsh to me, will be Brownhill’s replacement next season once he’s sold. 
If we give Walsh as much chance in the next few years he will more than cover what Brownhill gives us, imo. 

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2 hours ago, ncnsbcfc said:

Best get him to sign a contract then. Or at least offer one.

Perhaps we have. If we want to keep him we will have by now but I can see why Liam is keeping his options open - he`s probably waiting to see who, if anyone, we bring in this month.

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3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

If so that's a bit awkward for LJ.

Bit strange with Walsh and LJ. LJ says in an interview Walsh can't play in a 2. Be brings him on in a 4141/433 against Stoke and is unbelievably good in a 3 man midfield.

Every game since then he plays him in a midfield 2 even though he says he can't play there!

Well maybe he's learned now at Coventry. I am hoping he gets his chance next season. 

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Just now, Up The City! said:

Which players are these?

Name them.

I don’t think he likes playing younger players (those under 23) but players do get better here,

our transfer dealings is proof of that, and those saying it doesn’t are just lazy

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5 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

I don’t think he likes playing younger players (those under 23) but players do get better here,

our transfer dealings is proof of that, and those saying it doesn’t are just lazy

I dont think its necessarily a Bristol City Lee Johnson specific problem, in this results driven business then very few clubs are prepared to give younger players a chance unless they are an exceptional talent or through necessity. The problem with younger players is that they are just not consistent enough. 

It seems these days it takes a player to the age of 23/24 before they cement a place in a team. 

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1 minute ago, Up The City! said:

I dont think its necessarily a Bristol City Lee Johnson specific problem, in this results driven business then very few clubs are prepared to give younger players a chance unless they are an exceptional talent or through necessity. The problem with younger players is that they are just not consistent enough. 

It seems these days it takes a player to the age of 23/24 before they cement a place in a team. 

I’m of the if you are good enough you are old enough breed,

but you can critique Johnson for many things but player development isn’t one of those imo, 

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5 minutes ago, YorksRed said:

Ironically, is Walsh perhaps the closest of our current midfielders to what Lee was like himself as a player?

Walsh has a better passing range and is far more creative.

Good shot on him too.

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1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Wants the ball a lot more too IMO.

Indeed, and very odd early on when some of City's more experienced players were so reluctant to give it to him.

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5 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Walsh has a better passing range and is far more creative.

Good shot on him too.

Not saying he’s the same and indeed I think he has more promise than Lee had, but he’s probably the closest comparison (physique, style etc) of the ones that we have currently got so you’d think Lee would relish to work with and develop him and should be able to get the best out of him. We will see!

(Going off topic I think Lee was a better player than he was often given credit for and people seem to remember and I wonder what would have happened if he’d stayed fit throughout the play off season).

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35 minutes ago, Murraysrightplum said:

Some short memories on here considering the huge fees/profits we’ve received from selling players over the last 3 or 4 seasons

I don't think it's short memories, rather deliberately ignoring it because it doesn't suit their argument.

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15 hours ago, Robert the bruce said:

No surprise that Lee fails to bring the best from a young,,talented player.

It's what he does.

Apart from Kelly who went to Bournemouth to £18m, Webster who starts regularly for a Premier League side, Abraham who is one of the best strikers in the Premier League at the moment, Reid who got a Premier League move and Bryan who also got a Premier League move.

 

But yeah you’re right no one at all.

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