LocoPal Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just watching the Sheffield Utd v West Ham game. Should the West Ham goal have been disallowed? It doesn't look like a conscious effort by the player in the build up to control the ball for the West Ham, disallowed goal. But the touch to arm is all that VAR is concerned with. Surely this is just incidental and in no way deliberate in thi case? Major incident again against VAR validity in my eyes and I know it should be used effectively and better than this. This has been a game that is played by people...refereed by people and for all both their failings, we have to ensure that fair play is ensured. But, there is a line and VAR is absolutely wrong here in how it is applying its rule to this type of incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Sadly by the rules of the game yes. The rule and VAR are a joke and should be scrapped immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 10, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 I'd disagree and say VAR did what it's supposed to do. It's the actual rules that need updating if this ridiculous scenario is to continue As for killing the fun, the United fans celebrated that decision more than their goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Yes, the immediacy of celebrating has all but gone......got to wait five minutes to cheer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Vacuously Anally Retentive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Football was an art, creative, romantic, spontaneous, edgy and tribal. Now a science, controlled, sterile, disciplined and, largely, pretty boring. VAR is a step too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, phantom said: I'd disagree and say VAR did what it's supposed to do. It's the actual rules that need updating if this ridiculous scenario is to continue As for killing the fun, the United fans celebrated that decision more than their goal VAR implemented the rule correctly but has been a shambles this season and should be scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, phantom said: I'd disagree and say VAR did what it's supposed to do. It's the actual rules that need updating if this ridiculous scenario is to continue As for killing the fun, the United fans celebrated that decision more than their goal That last sentence would be true if half of them wouldn’t of left when the goal went in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Yes, the immediacy of celebrating has all but gone......got to wait five minutes to cheer! I know patience is a virtue, but it really is taking the p**s! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 We all moaned about refs and still do so what is the actual point in VAR,do we have to change every bloody rule in football so it eventually works or do we get back to the football we all know and love where the joy of scoring a goal is unrivalled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Think plenty of people are jumping on the fashionable bandwagon of criticising VAR here when it's not the issue. I can understand why you'd question the handball being given, but that's an issue with a law of the game not the use or implementation of VAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Before VAR, refs would make mistakes, but these probably even out over time unless you are Man Utd. VAR makes less mistakes but has completely ruined the game. I also think a bias towards the bigger clubs still seems to exist. It's only this season that your ear can be offside and interfering with play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Think plenty of people are jumping on the fashionable bandwagon of criticising VAR here when it's not the issue. I can understand why you'd question the handball being given, but that's an issue with a law of the game not the use or implementation of VAR Can I ask what you think the upside of VAR is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, maxjak said: Vacuously Anally Retentive You said "anally". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 What I thought was amazing about the game was West Ham’s following - Friday night, live on TV - 360 mile round trip from East London and they packed the away end - huge respect to the Irons’ fans - proper loyal bunch ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Think plenty of people are jumping on the fashionable bandwagon of criticising VAR here when it's not the issue. I can understand why you'd question the handball being given, but that's an issue with a law of the game not the use or implementation of VAR But the implementation of VAR has been a shambles all season regardless of the handball rule that is a joke. This is not a fashionable bandwagon - its just common sense for any proper football fan (not the armchair jokers). Incorrect calls on offsides, wasting of time looking at tight decisions when they aren't clear and obvious, refs not knowing if they should go to the screens or not, decisions showing up incorrectly on screens in the ground, fans not knowing what is going on at the game...the list never ends. But the main thing for me is it is wrecking the feeling of scoring a goal - ie the emotion. And so it should be scrapped immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Can I ask what you think the upside of VAR is Well I didn't say they're in abundance or that I support it(?) I'm sure you're aware of the reasons why it's being used already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: What I thought was amazing about the game was West Ham’s following - Friday night, live on TV - 360 mile round trip from East London and they packed the away end - huge respect to the Irons’ fans - proper loyal bunch ... Yet they travel home without a point because of this all - disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, CheddarReds said: Well I didn't say they're in abundance or that I support it(?) I'm sure you're aware of the reasons why it's being used already I wasn’t having a dig it was a honest question,just scrap the effin thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yet they travel home without a point because of this all - disgraceful. They were terrible though and deserved nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Super said: They were terrible though and deserved nothing. Yeh they played poorly in a poor scrappy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: What I thought was amazing about the game was West Ham’s following - Friday night, live on TV - 360 mile round trip from East London - huge respect to the Irons’ fans - proper loyal bunch ... Agree - Proper football fans the Hammers. Full respect to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: What I thought was amazing about the game was West Ham’s following - Friday night, live on TV - 360 mile round trip from East London and they packed the away end - huge respect to the Irons’ fans - proper loyal bunch ... Nothing special really mate,even Chelsea sell out away ends nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yet they travel home without a point because of this all - disgraceful. Yep, the defender headed the ball against Rice’s arm from a few inches away, how the hell is that handball?! Good grief ... just about every aspect of the modern world is making me wanna scream and get off the carousel - one prime example is loads of (mainly young) people actively looking to be offended every minute of every day about utter shite and now VAR is ruining our national sport - sad times ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: But the implementation of VAR has been a shambles all season regardless of the handball rule that is a joke. This is not a fashionable bandwagon - its just common sense for any proper football fan (not the armchair jokers). Incorrect calls on offsides, wasting of time looking at tight decisions when they aren't clear and obvious, refs not knowing if they should go to the screens or not, decisions showing up incorrectly on screens in the ground, fans not knowing what is going on at the game...the list never ends. But the main thing for me is it is wrecking the feeling of scoring a goal - ie the emotion. And so it should be scrapped immediately. Completely agree that it's implementation has been piss. We all want moments like West Ham thought they had tonight where you get a point last minute, taking that away is killing the emotion no doubt. It'll be interesting to see in the medium term the impact it'll have on things like goal scoring. For example whether less goals are scored from strikers being conscious of having their big toe offside they can't get on the end of crosses etc, but I don't think that's what the issue is tonight. The issue is the handball rule. Of course if you take away VAR the goal is given so I can understand that argument, but at the moment I think it's far more likely we change the laws to work in conjunction with VAR than scrapping it all together, rightly or wrongly. So it's worth being critical of the laws on nights like this so the implementation of VAR improves going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Nothing special really mate,even Chelsea sell out away ends nowadays I think it’s special, we’d have taken a few hundred up there for a Friday night match that was being broadcast live on tv - dunno how you can’t be impressed by the West Ham turnout ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yeh they played poorly in a poor scrappy game. If thats what west ham fans have to look forward to under Moyes i cant imagine they will be happy. Long ball rubbish no surprise they are after Fellaini! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 The issue isn't just the handball rule though tonight. Without VAR, that never even gets checked as it looked fine to the ref in normal time. They should scrap it but I bet they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Super said: If thats what west ham fans have to look forward to under Moyes i cant imagine they will be happy. Long ball rubbish no surprise they are after Fellaini! They’ll be happy if they stay up - I reckon Bournemouth and Norwich fans will be more disgruntled than West Ham followers from here on in ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: Agree - Proper football fans the Hammers. Full respect to them. Hard to respect a bunch of eastenders who sing "I'm forever blowing bubbles" though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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