Never to the dark side Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gambling-business-banned-credit-cards-gambling-commission-a4333531.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 How this hasn't always been a law is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Absolutely Seneca. The government ALWAYS wait for the predictable car crash to take place before any action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderCraig Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. Sadly, you're spot on. If they're so minded, it wouldn't be difficult to still utilise a credit card - lose lose for the punter, win win for the credit card co. and most likely, the bookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. Partially agree, but what you’re describing there requires that much more time and physical effort. That in itself reduces the “impulse time” you have to act and in itself, may prevent the act. I’m not saying it’s a “cure all” - however if you start from the basis that credit card gamblers are more likely to be problem gamblers, and this stops - say - 20% of them, it’s got to be worthwhile? If 100 people need help it’s better to help 20 than none? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. What's the alternative? Do nothing? It requires a lot of effort to go to the cash point and then withdraw money and then deposit it into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 It minimises the risk of people playing with money they haven't got. Sounds like a positive step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, Up The City! said: What's the alternative? Do nothing? It requires a lot of effort to go to the cash point and then withdraw money and then deposit it into account. depends on where you live as to how much effort is required...if you live near a cashpoint it isn't difficult. A little pre planning can build you a healthy "float" in your gambling account. I'm certainly not saying "do nothing". I'm surprised that the use of Credit Cards is allowed on Gambling sites (shows my ignorance). My remark was aimed at those who will find a way around a problem if they are determined enough...in this case, out of control gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. True. Withdrawal of cash from a credit card shouldn’t be allowed but as interest rates are sky high for cash transactions on credit I don’t forsee a change happening anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. Absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: depends on where you live as to how much effort is required...if you live near a cashpoint it isn't difficult. A little pre planning can build you a healthy "float" in your gambling account. I'm certainly not saying "do nothing". I'm surprised that the use of Credit Cards is allowed on Gambling sites (shows my ignorance). My remark was aimed at those who will find a way around a problem if they are determined enough...in this case, out of control gambling. But then they would also need to go to whoever they bank with to deposit the cash and they themselves continue to dwindle in numbers. There needs to be systems in place where if someone is spending a unsustainable amount of money on gambling sites then their cards become blocked or something. This is a positive step forward, I wish it also applied to video games and their loot boxes. I have known many people spend hundreds on their credit card on loot boxes because they say it doesn't feel like they are spending real money as it doesn't need to be paid for immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Up The City! said: But then they would also need to go to whoever they bank with to deposit the cash and they themselves continue to dwindle in numbers. There needs to be systems in place where if someone is spending a unsustainable amount of money on gambling sites then their cards become blocked or something. This is a positive step forward, I wish it also applied to video games and their loot boxes. I have known many people spend hundreds on their credit card on loot boxes because they say it doesn't feel like they are spending real money as it doesn't need to be paid for immediately. Wtf is a loot box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: But then they would also need to go to whoever they bank with to deposit the cash and they themselves continue to dwindle in numbers. There needs to be systems in place where if someone is spending a unsustainable amount of money on gambling sites then their cards become blocked or something. This is a positive step forward, I wish it also applied to video games and their loot boxes. I have known many people spend hundreds on their credit card on loot boxes because they say it doesn't feel like they are spending real money as it doesn't need to be paid for immediately. I have no idea what a loot box is, but I think the common problem is easy money and easy credit whatever way you look at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: it's a nonsense. The easy response is to draw cash from a cashpoint from your credit card, deposit the same money back into your current account, and hey presto (the Credit Card Company makes more money) and in all probability the gambler still eventually loses the cash. The rule will help hugely imo, yes you will not stop people doing what you are saying but you will stop people doing it late at night when they are bored, or when they are drunk etc. Should never have been allowed in the first place - but it comes down to big business doing what they see fit and they don't really care about problem gamblers, they welcome them with open arms and then give them freebies until they bleed them for every penny they have. Yet anyone with half a clue cannot get a pound on your average horse race or any sporting event.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Up The City! said: But then they would also need to go to whoever they bank with to deposit the cash and they themselves continue to dwindle in numbers. There needs to be systems in place where if someone is spending a unsustainable amount of money on gambling sites then their cards become blocked or something. This is a positive step forward, I wish it also applied to video games and their loot boxes. I have known many people spend hundreds on their credit card on loot boxes because they say it doesn't feel like they are spending real money as it doesn't need to be paid for immediately. Why do you think casinos give you little bits of plastic - yes it maybe easier to payout etc, but it is mainly because it tells your brain you are not spending real cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just had a look at Sportsdevil on my android box and it is showing on a the lists of a couple of the different scrapers, whether that means much I don't know. Tried out my new superfast broadband last night and even with the VPN it was plenty fast enough, so, fingers crossed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, archie andrews said: Wtf is a loot box? A virtual box within a video game that you buy with real money which you can then open for a mystery prize. Most of the time a loot box will contain crap but it is possible, although very rare to get a top prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, wood_red said: Why do you think casinos give you little bits of plastic - yes it maybe easier to payout etc, but it is mainly because it tells your brain you are not spending real cash. It's getting less and less common for me to have any cash in my pocket. Businesses have a lot less cash takings now as well. We went to Amsterdam recently and no one wanted cash from us at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: It minimises the risk of people playing with money they haven't got. Sounds like a positive step. Not having a credit card never stopped Robbie Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, CyderInACan said: Not having a credit card never stopped Robbie Box This is true. Maybe the government should clamp down on funds generated from the pawning of Jan's necklace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said: This is true. Maybe the government should clamp down on funds generated from the pawning of Jan's necklace. Another positive step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Another positive step But that could be offset by royalties earned from the Bobby G theme tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: But that could be offset by royalties earned from the Bobby G theme tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: It's getting less and less common for me to have any cash in my pocket. Businesses have a lot less cash takings now as well. We went to Amsterdam recently and no one wanted cash from us at all. I was at the Excel in London a couple of weeks ago and went to 3 different places for a coffee and couldn't pay with cash. I generally only ever pay with cash as I like to know what I am spending as I go out with what I am willing to spend. I still have a debit card for cashless but only use it I have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Who says it’s a mug’s game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, wood_red said: I was at the Excel in London a couple of weeks ago and went to 3 different places for a coffee and couldn't pay with cash. I generally only ever pay with cash as I like to know what I am spending as I go out with what I am willing to spend. I still have a debit card for cashless but only use it I have to. Normally need to take out credit to buy anything at the ExCel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: We went to Amsterdam recently and no one wanted cash from us at all. Where do those “ladies“ keep their machines? at least it won’t be “contactless”! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, wood_red said: I was at the Excel in London a couple of weeks ago and went to 3 different places for a coffee and couldn't pay with cash. I generally only ever pay with cash as I like to know what I am spending as I go out with what I am willing to spend. I still have a debit card for cashless but only use it I have to. Slightly unrelated I know. But I saw this on tv the other day and thought it was a great idea. Partly because fewer and fewer people have cash for the homeless and partly because you can be more sure of where that cash is going. Started in Bristol, hopefully it will spread. http://www.billychip.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 14/01/2020 at 10:54, wood_red said: I was at the Excel in London a couple of weeks ago and went to 3 different places for a coffee and couldn't pay with cash. I generally only ever pay with cash as I like to know what I am spending as I go out with what I am willing to spend. I still have a debit card for cashless but only use it I have to. It wasn`t really that long ago that I was surprised when someone paid for something as cheap as a coffee with a card. Now it`s the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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