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There’s no forgiving this!!!

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4 minutes ago, kevinmabbuttshair said:

Bullshit excuse

Thanks for the insightful response. Glad you added to the debate. I am afraid that we knew we needed better firepower and signed someone successful at this level. 

I'm not sure if we would have done so badly (being a point off the play offs) had afobe remained fit.

I'm really disappointed to have gone out but I honestly believe that it can be forgiven. 

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6 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said:

We lost a game of football. We did it to 4 or 5 prem teams last year so don’t act like a spoilt child when we lose to a lower league team 

swings and roundabouts 

Absolutely no recognition of the wider context here at all.

Is Johnson getting the best from this squad? Is he motivating them to win the biggest matches? Does he know his best team? How he wants us to play? Are we making tangible progress any more?

Ask yourself those questions before dismissing it as one game.

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Win on sat and im happy , massive over reaction based on liverpool kids in the next round .... play offs is our aim not fa cup run .... get a grip 

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2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

In a nutshell. 

I saw what you did there!!

At least I raised a smile waiting for LJ on Radio Brizz

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You speak like this was the one game to decide relegation?

**** off.

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1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said:

He'll have plenty more excuses ready. Don't worry about that. 

And SL laps it up. 

Does he though, does he really? or is he taking a longer term view of the performance of his asset and will judge in due course what is right for said asset.

he ain’t stupid, and that’s why Johnson is still in a job.

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12 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Agreed. He's been missing sitters for the last couple of seasons and still plays. I know all strikers miss them but I'm sure he's missed more than most 

His chance conversion ratio is pretty decent actually.  Not able to comment tonight having listened on Radio.

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1 minute ago, Fjmcity said:

Does he though, does he really? or is he taking a longer term view of the performance of his asset and will judge in due course what is right for said asset.

he ain’t stupid, and that’s why Johnson is still in a job.

I agree. What is Long Term here though? 

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2 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

Does he though, does he really? or is he taking a longer term view of the performance of his asset and will judge in due course what is right for said asset.

he ain’t stupid, and that’s why Johnson is still in a job.

He doesn't get a free pass on stupidity because he's rich. Not from me and certainly not when it comes to his football decisions. 

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11 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

1 point off the play offs.

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Whilst our league position can’t be denied , Fulham, Weds, Millwall, Swansea, Forest and Brentford have all changed their management teams in the last 12-14 months and they are all above us . Yes some have changed for reasons other than sackings but all have refreshed their approach , their coaching and tactics . We’ve stagnated unfortunately. 

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13 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

1 point off the play offs.

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Be honest with yourself my friend we simply are no where near good enough especially under LJ guidance or lack of..... 

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7 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

Can you see how pathetic and childish you sound calling him a dwarf?  Are you a grown man? You're making @FrozenRobin look like Stephen Fry. Chill out, it was a 3rd FA Cup game. 

What do you see in Lee Johnson? Serious question. 

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1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

I agree. What is Long Term here though? 

I’m not sure, I Get the feeling he is going to have a long look at it at the end of the season to be honest, finishing lower than last year I think would be a real sticking point for steve

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Some embarrassing characters after a defeat. I would somewhat understand you we're basing this on the overall football we've been playing recently but the self entitled arrogance that we should definitely be beat a team like Shrewsbury is laughable. 

It's the cup anything can happen we should know this better than anyone. 

I didn't go but I listened on the radio and Shrewsbury sounded like they played a good game and we didn't take our chances. 

Doesn't mean LJ should be sacked for this but the pressure is building 

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It isn't good enough.

If we bring in 2 or 3 this window and we are no better then I'm not sure what can be said to support him.

I'd keep him and see how he does. But I see the same mistakes in his teams sheets and tactics.

Either he doesn't know that what he does is not right. Or he does, but does it anyway.

I didn't watch today but it sounded fairly 50/50 overall.

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5 minutes ago, bengalcub said:

Win on sat and im happy , massive over reaction based on liverpool kids in the next round .... play offs is our aim not fa cup run .... get a grip 

We lose.......what then? Because believe me, the pressure will be at absolute boiling point

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2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

He doesn't get a free pass on stupidity because he's rich. Not from me and certainly not when it comes to his football decisions. 

Not saying it’s because he’s rich, just that he’s sensible and sees the culture in other football clubs and previously at his for excessive manager turnover and would like to avoid that.

I think if we finish lower than last season will really get him thinking as he is all about progression, albeit happy if it’s slow and sustainable

 

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4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

His chance conversion ratio is pretty decent actually.  Not able to comment tonight having listened on Radio.

Thats surprising. It seems like every game he misses from 6 yards out with no one around him haha 

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15 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said:

We lost a game of football. We did it to 4 or 5 prem teams last year so don’t act like a spoilt child when we lose to a lower league team 

swings and roundabouts 

Too many slides though. 

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1 minute ago, Fjmcity said:

I’m not sure, I Get the feeling he is going to have a long look at it at the end of the season to be honest, finishing lower than last year I think would be a real sticking point for steve

Maybe. Finishing 7th is not an option and would be hair splitting!....SL expects top 6 no matter what. But if you are SL right now, you are utterly devastated! 

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1 minute ago, Fjmcity said:

Not saying it’s because he’s rich, just that he’s sensible and sees the culture in other football clubs and previously at his for excessive manager turnover and would like to avoid that.

I think if we finish lower than last season will really get him thinking as he is all about progression, albeit happy if it’s slow and sustainable

 

Sacking LJ would mean we'd given a manager 4 years. That's not knee jerk or akin to the culture you perhaps allude to. He wouldn't be accused of it either. 

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3 minutes ago, Tears in rain said:

Issue I have with everyone saying 1 point off play offs is that no ones thinking about our track record. Last few years we’ve been 2nd and then 5/6th and still managed to not make the play offs 


False position yeh maybe, I just think we always fall off the pace and never recruit strongly whilst all the other sides make a push for it. 

When it really matters at the business end of the season we fall away. Johnson had not built a team with the resilience and toughness both physical and mental to win games of this nature. Tonight was a classic. A game against the best team in world/ Europe/ Premiership at home  and we again come up short. He clearly cannot see what is staring him in the face that he has weaknesses that he is unable to sort out. And tragically for us his boss is similarly unable to see them. The sad thing is deep down most of us knew we would lose.

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4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

What do you see in Lee Johnson? Serious question. 

The most stable this football club has been in the history of me supporting it. 

BECAUSE OF HIM. 

If we slide, I will take stock then. But I'm looking at us 1 point off playoffs.

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2 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

Not saying it’s because he’s rich, just that he’s sensible and sees the culture in other football clubs and previously at his for excessive manager turnover and would like to avoid that.

I think if we finish lower than last season will really get him thinking as he is all about progression, albeit happy if it’s slow and sustainable

 

Sacking LJ would mean we'd given a manager 4 years. That's not knee jerk or akin to the culture you perhaps allude to. He wouldn't be accused of it either. 

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2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Absolutely no recognition of the wider context here at all.

Is Johnson getting the best from this squad? Is he motivating them to win the biggest matches? Does he know his best team? How he wants us to play? Are we making tangible progress any more?

Ask yourself those questions before dismissing it as one game.

Is he getting the best from his squad ?  Who knows , perhaps wait for a new manager that’s comes in , that doesn’t work , then another which doesn’t work ,,,, o whoops Why did I wish for more when I should have been happy with a season on season progression 

is he motivating them to win big matches??

yes sometimes,  look at our results this season 

does he know his best team

he changes for what the situation requires another words depending on the opposition’

i remember watching us under SOD and most fans complaining he never changed his team and never had a plan B but now LJ has it wrong when he rotates 

are we making progress anymore 

yes year on year and imo only a fit Afobe or a quick striker away from playing how he wants us to play 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

WHO brought him here and played him tonight? so yes its LJ`s fault,,,,,,,,,,,Shrewsbury and just about our best team and no bigger reason not to win, yet still its not LJ`s fault NO MORE EXCUSES.

As someone posted earlier who’s scored a good majority of his chances so an off day rather than a regular occurrence

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2 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Some embarrassing characters after a defeat. I would somewhat understand you we're basing this on the overall football we've been playing recently but the self entitled arrogance that we should definitely be beat a team like Shrewsbury is laughable. 

It's the cup anything can happen we should know this better than anyone. 

I didn't go but I listened on the radio and Shrewsbury sounded like they played a good game and we didn't take our chances. 

Doesn't mean LJ should be sacked for this but the pressure is building 

This is just the latest poor performance. It’s not about the cup,’ shock’ , we are going nowhere, anyone who understands the game can see that.

There comes a time when players are tired of the same voice, the same training  and the same efforts at motivating - it’s over, sadly it won’t come to the summer, but, it is over.

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1 minute ago, ScottishRed said:

Is that all you want? Serious question.

No. But until we are out of contention, then why would we risk our position. Do you think changing the manager 100% pushes you into the playoffs?

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4 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

The most stable this football club has been in the history of me supporting it. 

BECAUSE OF HIM. 

If we slide, I will take stock then. But I'm looking at us 1 point off playoffs.

I would argue it's because of Ashton and Lansdown bit hey ho.

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3 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

The most stable this football club has been in the history of me supporting it. 

BECAUSE OF HIM. 

If we slide, I will take stock then. But I'm looking at us 1 point off playoffs.

It isn’t because of him it’s because of lansdown

this isn’t a blip this is history repeating itself

it happened last season

it happened the season

it happened the season before that

it happened at barnsley

it happened at Oldham

enough is enough the man just isn’t a very good manager,

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14 minutes ago, bengalcub said:

Win on sat and im happy , massive over reaction based on liverpool kids in the next round .... play offs is our aim not fa cup run .... get a grip 

And we won't do either get a grip.

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14 minutes ago, Cunnyfunt said:

Its the plastic scousers I feel sorry for. Bang goes their big day out in one puff of smoke.

Absolutely..........I'm pissed off about the result ,I hate losing, not about the hoops we'd have to jump through to get a ticket to see their ressies ! But as you say, bad day for Bristol plastics eferywhere . :shifty:

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4 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

The most stable this football club has been in the history of me supporting it. 

BECAUSE OF HIM. 

If we slide, I will take stock then. But I'm looking at us 1 point off playoffs.

 But it’s not because of him really is it? It’s because he’s spunked so much money. 

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4 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said:

Is he getting the best from his squad ?  Who knows , perhaps wait for a new manager that’s comes in , that doesn’t work , then another which doesn’t work ,,,, o whoops Why did I wish for more when I should have been happy with a season on season progression 

is he motivating them to win big matches??

yes sometimes,  look at our results this season 

does he know his best team

he changes for what the situation requires another words depending on the opposition’

i remember watching us under SOD and most fans complaining he never changed his team and never had a plan B but now LJ has it wrong when he rotates 

are we making progress anymore 

yes year on year and imo only a fit Afobe or a quick striker away from playing how he wants us to play 

 

 

A very generous appraisal indeed.

By the way, I didn’t have ask “have we made progress?”, I asked “are we making progress any more?”. A subtly but crucially different question.

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Shock - complete over reaction because people won’t be able to buy their half and half scarfs now. 
 

I'm annoyed with the result as I’m sure everyone is but no need for everyone to be dramatic. Better side tonight, unfortunately highlighted we need that extra bit of quality in the final third which I hope will be on the roof tomorrow. Saturday is a big game, one if we win will see us back in the top 6.

1 point off the playoffs, he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he.

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2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

 But it’s not because of him really is it? It’s because he’s spunked so much money. 

Well, it is because of him isn't it. 

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7 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

When it really matters at the business end of the season we fall away. Johnson had not built a team with the resilience and toughness both physical and mental to win games of this nature. Tonight was a classic. A game against the best team in world/ Europe/ Premiership at home  and we again come up short. He clearly cannot see what is staring him in the face that he has weaknesses that he is unable to sort out. And tragically for us his boss is similarly unable to see them. The sad thing is deep down most of us knew we would lose.

Think I was saying just this to a bunch of mates earlier as well, how many transfer windows has he had to get this squad right etc. So yeh completely agree!

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10 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

Whilst our league position can’t be denied , Fulham, Weds, Millwall, Swansea, Forest and Brentford have all changed their management teams in the last 12-14 months and they are all above us . Yes some have changed for reasons other than sackings but all have refreshed their approach , their coaching and tactics . We’ve stagnated unfortunately. 

So have Cardiff reading qpr MIDDLESBORO, Derby , brum, Huddersfield , Stoke Barnsley and Luton and they are all below us ,,,, do your point is 

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3 minutes ago, Allwaysred said:

And we won't do either get a grip.

We will beat barnsley ... chilax im not going into meltdown because we missed the chance to play liverpools kids ... you on the other hand.

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7 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

No. But until we are out of contention, then why would we risk our position. Do you think changing the manager 100% pushes you into the playoffs?

No, it doesn’t, possibily the opposite . BUT, we cannot continue with this nonsense, LJ has taken us as far as he can and we need to move on.

Recent results have been dreadful, it’s time to bring someone else in to assess the squad and make the required changes in the summer.

We need to get out of this league ASAP, and LJ is not the coach to do that.

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I still think the biggest problem is the recruitment policy which sees us constantly signing players the club hope we can profit from in 3 or 4 years, evidently these players are too developed for youth football, but equally they aren't Championship ready.

Yes, players come in to their prime around teenage of 27 or 28, and we have starters in the age bracket, but they tick the 'adequate' box, if they were Prem standard, we would have already sold them and then suits would have sparked up another cigar to reflect on a deal well done.

So yeah, LJ has signed about 50 players but how many of them did he really want? Could understand it more if he was hands on with their development, but they are being developed by different clubs, different managers and in different parts of the country.

It's no wonder we aren't a cohesive unit/club and it's no wonder that for every good result we get, there will be losses and wins where the performance will be dire.

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